Found Deceased NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest*

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Is the man being named in the DM the same person that is being referred to as JS on here? He has different initials so not the same person?

Are the posters saying that the DM posts untrue stories in the UK? I really don't find that, they get news early by having lots of sources I believe but don't make stuff up IME
 
  • #342
I'm really confused - I can see the DM article naming him, with all the pictures, so does that mean we can legally name him now? Or is it illegal in NZ but legal in the UK? And where does that leave me given I'm in the UK? And won't people from NZ be able to view the article anyway?
I have no idea how that works either.... it seems inconsistent... I'm in Australia and can see those news articles where he is named as well as pictures of him. As well as I have also seen some facebook posts mention his name...

I vaguely remember one case ages ago in Australia where a crime was committed in the state of Victoria and the person's name was suppressed in Victoria so all msm news stories from Victoria did not publish the name... However, I'm in NSW and all the msm news stories here in NSW mentioned the person's name... It was rather odd at the time...
 
  • #343
Is the man being named in the DM the same person that is being referred to as JS on here? He has different initials so not the same person?

Are the posters saying that the DM posts untrue stories in the UK? I really don't find that, they get news early by having lots of sources I believe but don't make stuff up IME

The Daily Mail can sensationalise stories or mislead at times it isn’t always the case but they aren’t viewed favourably by many people in the U.K in my experience.
 
  • #344
It is the same person, but he goes by first name and middle name on Facebook, hence the initials being different.
 
  • #345
If he lived in the hotel, then she didn't 'go back to his hotel room' as news reports stated, she visited his apartment. I just think they are different. He could have said 'one of my flatmates is having a party', for example. We don't know it was a hook up. We know that it 'seems' like a hook-up, and that the FB comment feeds that narrative, which is why I'm suspicious of that narrative. He wants it to seem like a hook up. JMO.

As others have said, if she was drugged, she would have been compliant. Those drugs act very fast and she may have been able to walk for some time, appearing fine (even if drunk) to onlookers.

It just feels premeditated to me. My opinion only. And yes, he's been caught, but getting caught might be what he wants. 'Notoriety'. Leaving the FB comment could be a way of him 'leaving a clue' just before he does what he is planning. You could even say the actual words of that comment are another way of saying 'alive'.

Was he trying to make it look as though they weren't together at that time? As someone else said, an Ian Huntley? I mean, there's something odd enough about it that someone on here immediately identified him!

A couple of question for people younger or less married than me:

Could you recognise someone from Tinder and then work out where they are from the App? IE could you use Tinder to stalk someone? Is it true that Tinder has current location information?
 
  • #346
The Daily Mail can sensationalise stories or mislead at times it isn’t always the case but they aren’t viewed favourably by many people in the U.K in my experience.

Yeah, I'd like to know the specific law around it - is it just NZ publications that can't publish the name? Surely they can't prevent me from discussing it, as a UK citizen? Wouldn't that infringe on my right to free speech since I'm not bound by NZ law?
 
  • #347
The Daily Mail can sensationalise stories or mislead at times it isn’t always the case but they aren’t viewed favourably by many people in the U.K in my experience.

I think in general they don't have the reputation of completely 'making stuff up' in other words we're not talking about the National Enquirer.

However, they're not known for 'attention to detail'. I would read it for a general sense of what has happened, but with an awareness that they won't have done the most research, or necessarily cared that much about accurate portrayal of facts.
 
  • #348
Yeah, I'd like to know the specific law around it - is it just NZ publications that can't publish the name? Surely they can't prevent me from discussing it, as a UK citizen? Wouldn't that infringe on my right to free speech since I'm not bound by NZ law?

Google shows it being reported on other sites too, I don't see what purpose a no naming order serves when anyone can find out the name in seconds
 
  • #349
Google shows it being reported on other sites too, I don't see what purpose a no naming order serves when anyone can find out the name in seconds
On the other hand, the BBC are saying he cannot be named....
 
  • #350
If he lived in the hotel, then she didn't 'go back to his hotel room' as news reports stated, she visited his apartment. I just think they are different. He could have said 'one of my flatmates is having a party', for example. We don't know it was a hook up. We know that it 'seems' like a hook-up, and that the FB comment feeds that narrative, which is why I'm suspicious of that narrative. He wants it to seem like a hook up. JMO.

As others have said, if she was drugged, she would have been compliant. Those drugs act very fast and she may have been able to walk for some time, appearing fine (even if drunk) to onlookers.

It just feels premeditated to me. My opinion only. And yes, he's been caught, but getting caught might be what he wants. 'Notoriety'. Leaving the FB comment could be a way of him 'leaving a clue' just before he does what he is planning. You could even say the actual words of that comment are another way of saying 'alive'.

Was he trying to make it look as though they weren't together at that time? As someone else said, an Ian Huntley? I mean, there's something odd enough about it that someone on here immediately identified him!

A couple of question for people younger or less married than me:

Could you recognise someone from Tinder and then work out where they are from the App? IE could you use Tinder to stalk someone? Is it true that Tinder has current location information?

Tinder uses location information to match people. For example, if you travel to a new city and open Tinder, you'll only be matched with people in that city. On other sites/apps, you specify your location yourself and that's what unique about Tinder.

Tinder does not allow you to view someone's actual location on a map. It just says on their profile 'X miles away', or 'within a mile'. That's as specific as it gets.

Snapchat however, lets you view people on a map which sounds more like what you're talking about. You can opt out of being visible on the map but not everybody does it. It's entirely possible that they were friends on Snapchat too, as a lot of people who use Tinder/other dating sites will add each other on Snapchat too.
 
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On the other hand, the BBC are saying he cannot be named....

And yet The Telegraph and Metro are quite happy to, what's the betting the BBC will do before the day's out
 
  • #353
Someone posted earlier about him maybe lying about a party and I think that's probably the best theory.

It's pretty common for people travelling to meet people on Tinder, especially if they don't know local people or are travelling alone.

They could have met on Tinder at some point in the days leading up to or on the night of the murder, chatted a little bit and exchanged some social media information, and then he probably invited her to a party (in his mind a date, in her mind maybe just a friendly evening?).

They could have met nearby to then head to this 'party'. Obviously when she gets there she'd realize something is wrong she'd want to leave and potentially that's when he stops her.

I've heard stories of girls who are invited to these dodgy, fake parties but manage to avoid them for whatever reason.

That's my theory at least. Awful thing to happen. She seemed very talented.
 
  • #354
It just says on their profile 'X miles away', or 'within a mile'. That's as specific as it gets.

Snapchat however, lets you view people on a map which sounds more like what you're talking about. You can opt out of being visible on the map but not everybody does it. It's entirely possible that they were friends on Snapchat too, as a lot of people who use Tinder/other dating sites will add each other on Snapchat too.

Great info, thanks. So you could in theory 'recognise' someone from Tinder and then confirm it is them by confirming that they are within the same location as you. And the location would get closer if you were closer, if they had those settings activated?

I don't know why it seems important. LE would presumably have access to any messages exchanged. But that FB comment is very strange. It makes me think there was already something weird going on.
 
  • #355
Great info, thanks. So you could in theory 'recognise' someone from Tinder and then confirm it is them by confirming that they are within the same location as you. And the location would get closer if you were closer, if they had those settings activated?

I don't know why it seems important. LE would presumably have access to any messages exchanged. But that FB comment is very strange. It makes me think there was already something weird going on.

The most specific Tinder gets is 'within a mile'. So if he saw her on a street, he wouldn't be able to move closer to her and confirm it's her. It'd just say 'within a mile' still.
 
  • #356
The DM is reporting that the comment was left on her FB profile 10 minutes before Grace was last seen alive.

Radiant seems like such an usual word to use to describe someone you’re trying to hook up with, if that was his intention!

He should obviously be presumed innocent until proven guilty but the police must have sufficient evidence to have charged him so quickly. I just can’t imagine what his motive could be. It’s so tragic!
 
  • #357
The DM is reporting that the comment was left on her FB profile 10 minutes before Grace was last seen alive.

Radiant seems like such an usual word to use to describe someone you’re trying to hook up with, if that was his intention!

He should obviously be presumed innocent until proven guilty but the police must have sufficient evidence to have charged him so quickly. I just can’t imagine what his motive could be. It’s so tragic!

Has the comment gone now? I can't see it
 
  • #358
This just came over the news :(

Main Stream Media
10th Dec 2018
The Guardian
Full article and video of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's apology:
‘Your daughter should have been safe here’: NZ's apology to family of Grace Millane

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, fought back tears while offering a heartfelt apology to the family of the murdered Briton Grace Millane, as the man accused of killing the backpacker made his first court appearance.
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“There is this overwhelming sense of hurt and shame that this has happened in our country, a place that prides itself on our hospitality, on our manaakitanga,” she said, using the Māori word for welcoming others.
“So on behalf of New Zealand, I want to apologise to Grace’s family – your daughter should have been safe here and she wasn’t, and I’m sorry for that.”
 
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Officers have said Millane and the accused had not previously known each other and declined to confirm reports they met through an online dating app.


I wont add the news link as it is a UK paper, and quotes the accused's name
 
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