Found Deceased NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest*

[mrjitty]

Do you agree with her doing it in London?

There is no real evidence that NZ is more dangerous than the UK in that regard

We have very low murder rates.

NZ has more of a domestic violence problem.

 

[Plunky]

I don't think the "accused" is dumb I think he has a very smart long-term plan... for commenting on her post after she was missing it made it quite obvious he did or knew the something about the murder it was very suspicious which I think he was wanting due to the high interest, in this case, I believe he knew the number of people (NZ & UK) searching her name once she was found dead/missing they would scrape every detail for example suspicious comments... they would see that comment "Beautiful, very radiant with a reverse smiley face" (which was posted the day after she was missing) ....

The FB comment was made about 10 minutes before the last sighting of Grace seen entering the CityLife hotel not after she went missing.

 

[asyousay]

Do you agree with her doing it in London?

Yes if she knows the area and has friends and family around who can help in a sticky situation then it’s a lot different. I am not trying to blame her here as she was adult and free to make her own choices but it’s not something I would ever do.

 

[asyousay]

Do we know for sure they were together in a dating situation? Maybe they were with a wider group and he separated Grace on some pretext.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but it may not have been obvious at all that he was an oddball, many murders and other criemes are committed by seemingly normal people who only appear dangerous with the benefit of hindsight. I'm keeping an open mind for now until we know more.

The original reports mentioned Tinder and the women who spoke out yesterday also met him on a dating app and the young girls he moved in with also mentioned he was obsessed with dating apps.

It seems like this is how he operated to lure unsuspecting women in imo

 

[Tortoise]

Yes if she knows the area and has friends and family around who can help in a sticky situation then it’s a lot different. I am not trying to blame her here as she was adult and free to make her own choices but it’s not something I would ever do.

It's most likely she never got a chance to contact anyone, whether that be an emergency number or her family. If you're drugged or ambushed or held against your will that can happen at home or abroad.

 

[zecats]

The FB comment was made about 10 minutes before the last sighting of Grace seen entering the CityLife hotel not after she went missing.

That’s just eerie.

 

[Plunky]

That’s just eerie.

It is eerie knowing the outcome but police said Grace and the accused had gone to a number of places together that Saturday night before going to the hotel. I don't think this was premeditated murder so at the time it was an innocent comment (if not a bit odd) and it was definitely made long after they had met that night.

 

[zecats]

It is eerie knowing the outcome but police said Grace and the accused had gone to a number of places together that Saturday night before going to the hotel. I don't think this was premeditated murder so at the time it was an innocent comment (if not a bit odd) and it was definitely made long after they had met that night.

Gotcha. I was referring to the timing and what we know happened after.

 

[asyousay]

It is eerie knowing the outcome but police said Grace and the accused had gone to a number of places together that Saturday night before going to the hotel. I don't think this was premeditated murder so at the time it was an innocent comment (if not a bit odd) and it was definitely made long after they had met that night.

apart from the emoji he used was sarcasm/teasing so I think he was definitely planning something. It was his idea of a little wink wink nudge nudge to what he had planned.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Not fully caught up yet, but do we know how long he was staying in that hotel? Didn't the other girl (the one he'd been talking to for 6 months) say that she cancelled plans to meet up with him that day? Maybe he only had it booked for the night/weekend and was planning to spend it with her.

 

[Plunky]

apart from the emoji he used was sarcasm/teasing so I think he was definitely planning something. It was his idea of a little wink wink nudge nudge to what he had planned.

Emojipedia (lol) also says it represents a sense of silliness or goofiness. I think people are reading too much into it.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Sorry, more questions. I haven't seen the report yet that they'd been to other places before returning to the hotel at 9:41pm, but if the CCTV still (black dress, white converse) was taken at 7:15pm was she actually with him then?

 

[suzyjackson]

Emojipedia (lol) also says it represents a sense of silliness or goofiness. I think people are reading too much into it.

ITA

 

[cybervampira]

Grace Millane murder prompts outpouring of grief in New Zealand

The murder of the British backpacker Grace Millane has provoked an unprecedented outpouring of collective shame and grief in New Zealand, and sparked a national conversation about violence against women.

The Grief Centre in Auckland said many New Zealanders were experiencing “vicarious trauma”, exacerbated by the country’s small size.

[...]

New Zealand has one of the worst rates of family violence in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, an intergovernmental organisation with 36 member countries. Police attend a domestic violence incident every four minutes, with an estimated 80% of incidents going unreported.

The majority of domestic violence incidents involve violence towards women, and one in three New Zealand women report experiencing some form of abuse from a partner.

Data from the ministry of justice shows about 1 million New Zealanders, or 23% of the population, are directly affected by family violence every year.

Logie said she hoped the national revulsion over Millane’s murder would translate into action. “People’s strong emotional responses offer us the opportunity to make fundamental changes in our country that we know we need. I want people to hold on to this feeling, this anger.”

[...]

 

[asyousay]

Emojipedia (lol) also says it represents a sense of silliness or goofiness. I think people are reading too much into it.

We shall see when we go to Trial as everything so far is pointing to be a wacko so definitely think he knew what he was planning.

If it hasn’t been Grace it would of been the original unarmed women who he had been chatting to for 6 months and was planning to go out with originally on that day.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Planned or unplanned, that is the question.

Did he chat with this other girl for 6 months with the intention of a relationship/romance/sex?
When she changed the plans for that day was he angry and wanted revenge on womanhood, or did he just want to get the most out of his hotel room and find a one night stand? Did Grace say no and he felt entitled to take what he wanted? Or did they take drugs and she died accidentally?

Or is it much more sinister and the plan was always to get a girl and kill her?

 

[Plunky]

We shall see when we go to Trial as everything so far is pointing to be a wacko so definitely think he knew what he was planning.

If the 'plan' included murder then he'd have to be completely wacko because who, if they'd planned this, would ever commit murder in such a public way ie he had to have known CCTV cameras were on him all night given the places they were seen at and especially at the hotel/apartment where he was staying. Who doesn't know this? And to do it in his apartment?

I think there was a plan - maybe a lot more than the usual - and things didn't quite go to plan and we know the tragic outcome.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

Planned or unplanned, that is the question.

Did he chat with this other girl for 6 months with the intention of a relationship/romance/sex?
When she changed the plans for that day was he angry and wanted revenge on womanhood, or did he just want to get the most out of his hotel room and find a one night stand? Did Grace say no and he felt entitled to take what he wanted? Or did they take drugs and she died accidentally?

Or is it much more sinister and the plan was always to get a girl and kill her?

Interesting that you mention accidental death. I may be completely wrong but this is my gut feeling. I also don't think him being "obsessed" with dating sites is relevant. Most single people I know are also obsessed with dating sites and spend most weekends on dates with numerous people they have met through them. It's not something I particularly understand as I was married long before dating sites became a thing but I don't think this is unusual behaviour for young people these days.

 

[libramoon175]

It could also be a lot less sinister than many of the scenarios here. She could have died accidentally (a scenario which may or may not have included drugs and/or alcohol) and he panicked. They did make an arrest and find the body quickly, which may indicate he was being cooperative. They may have known it was a murder case without having found a body because he confessed and was cooperative, leading to the discovery of her body.
None of this makes it any better, of course, but nothing so far makes me think it was premeditated or gives me reason to think he's a serial killer. And I don't really give any weight to what others are saying about him now it's emerged he's been charged with murder. If ANY of us were charged with murder, there would be people who come out and say 'I always thought she was a bit odd...did this, said this..'and so on.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

But if it was potentially a genuine accident he wouldn't have been charged with murder so quickly. Of course he might have said it was accident, asphyxiation or strangulation during consensual sex, to give one example. Really hard to narrow it down without a cause of death. Is that likely to be released at some point, does anyone know?