News station found video of THE DUCT TAPE on posters at the Anthony home!

[seagull65]

Here's the link where the FBI compared the tape from the remains with the tape from the gas can

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/conwayrelease.pdf

page 11 at the link, I think, page 9588, top paragraph.

Q62 through Q64 are the pieces of duct tape from the remains and remains scene, Q66 is the tape from the gas can. "Microscopically dissimilar in fiber composition. Not consistent with originating from the same source."

I don't have the link about the adhesive you said is similar Sammiejam, maybe the two different kinds of tape used the same adhesive, or were even made by the same company?

 

[seagull65]

I wonder how the tape on the various posters will compare to the tape on the remains and I wonder who hung up the posters, etc. I do applaud Cathy Belich for the investigative reporting, the tape on the posters could turn out to be important if you ask me. I wish we saw more investigative reporting these days.

 

[seagull65]

well, the adhesive side of the tape on Caylee was also exposed in the swamp... (except for whatever very brief period her skin would still have been intact.) And if the tape was sold at Lowe's and TrueValue as late as 2004/2005, I can't consider it rare. Let's just agree to disagree about the rarity We'd have to know how many people bought it in Orlando at Lowe's and TrueValue and Ace, etc, and we don't know that. And of course the perpetrator needn't have bought it in Orlando even.

Yeah, the record says like 80,000 rolls sold to Lowe's in 2004 and 8,000 sold to TrueValue in 2005, larger amounts sold in the preceding years. And duct tape isn't like scotch tape that you use up, you have a roll of duct tape forever, so I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people in Orlando could still have it in their garages.

 

[whiteangora]

The FBI said that the fibres on the outside of the tape (the part that had been exposed to the elements, in a swamp for many months) were visually/microscopically different from the ones on the gas can. (no suprise. One was IN A SWAMP and the other was not) HOWEVER, the adhesive chemical components from the tape on skull (which was protected from the elements in the swamp) and the adhesive on the gas can WERE THE SAME and probably from the same roll of tape.

And the tape was rare. On a couple hundred thousand sold in the ENTIRE area of North America.

We had a member contact the Henkel Company about the tape.
He was told that since the tape only accounted for a minor share of sales it was discontinued, I believe the tape was referred to as unusual. And, you're right only 134,719 (see link) rolls were ever distributed throughout the entire N American area in 2006-2007. Divide that by every home improvement and hardware store and then see just what small amounts were available.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...ica&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[whiteangora]

well, the adhesive side of the tape on Caylee was also exposed in the swamp... (except for whatever very brief period her skin would still have been intact.) And if the tape was sold at Lowe's and TrueValue as late as 2004/2005, I can't consider it rare. Let's just agree to disagree about the rarity We'd have to know how many people bought it in Orlando at Lowe's and TrueValue and Ace, etc, and we don't know that. And of course the perpetrator needn't have bought it in Orlando even.

Yeah, the record says like 80,000 rolls sold to Lowe's in 2004 and 8,000 sold to TrueValue in 2005, larger amounts sold in the preceding years. And duct tape isn't like scotch tape that you use up, you have a roll of duct tape forever, so I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people in Orlando could still have it in their garages.

MY DH buys at least 2 or 3 rolls of duct tape a year.

 

[seagull65]

MY DH buys at least 2 or 3 rolls of duct tape a year.

really, for what kind of work? My husband does all kinds of garagey things but our roll of duct tape is ancient! He's into building cars and all kinds of mechanical things but as far as duct tape use, he doesn't use it any more than the next person. I guess people use it for electrical applications? not even for electrics is it, that's that black electrical tape....more like for, well, ducting? ha ha

 

[ThoughtElf]

Novel concept, let's explore it more fully:

• Of those persons who might possibly have a roll of the duct tape in their garage, how many had access to Caylee?
• How many had something to hold over Casey's head to provide her with a 'compelling' reason not to report Caylee missing?
• And of those other Orlando persons who bought the duct tape prior to 2005 and still have it, also still have enough power over Casey to prevent her from telling the truth - in her own defense even now when she is 'fighting for her life'?
• How many of the potential possessors of the Henkel tape also had access to the Sunfire trunk?
• How many would just happen to put up Caylee posters with that same tape?
• Are we also assuming that someone in Orlando who still has a roll of the duct tape also has the Blackjack or records of it? (yes, I am kidding on this one... )

Again, enourmous leaps in logic must be taken to even explore any theory that entertains thoughts of some other Orlando Henkel duct-tape owner meeting all the other points of 'circumstance' that would make them viable candidates to research further.

The sum total investigative value of the 'rarity' does not lie within the sales of the duct tape in Orlando. The uniqueness rests within anyone who still possesses the Henkel duct tape having access to Caylee, Casey, the trunk and the remains site.

 

[seagull65]

134,719 just in 2006-2007? That's a lot of rolls of duct tape. Think of the total number of rolls sold in those preceding years on that chart. Someone said, "It's only 2 percent of the whole market" once. Well, that's a lot.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

really, for what kind of work? My husband does all kinds of garagey things but our roll of duct tape is ancient! He's into building cars and all kinds of mechanical things but as far as duct tape use, he doesn't use it any more than the next person. I guess people use it for electrical applications? not even for electrics is it, that's that black electrical tape....more like for, well, ducting? ha ha

Had to weigh in and say... my hubby uses a lot of duct tape. He finds ways to use it that are quite useful. It has saved the day on camping trips, his backpacking trips, and other various outings. Maybe it's a guy thing, but even my boys love duct tape. They've even made duct tape wallets!

 

[ThoughtElf]

Just as a funny aside, military families are quite used to duct tape being refered to as 50 or 100 mile tape because, "It can hold a jeep together at 100 miles an hour."

The story behind it also explains why people often call it 'duck' tape vs duct tape. (Civvies got the name wrong, hence duct tape - LOL) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=100+mile+an+hour+tape

 

[seagull65]

The uniqueness rests within anyone who still possesses the Henkel duct tape having access to Caylee, Casey, the truck and the remains site.

Well, the perp would most likely have disposed of the roll, I wouldn't expect them to still possess it, but okay.... The rest, yeah, the person could have had access to Caylee and dumped the body at that site. The trunk? Maybe, not necessarily. Might not have to have had access to the trunk, but that one kidnapper in Orlando did take his young victims to the garage, did take items from the home, did duct tape the child's mouth, the family cars were there at the time..... so I mean, it could happen. As for why Casey didn't report, well that could be connected to the perp or could be completely unrelated. I don't want to sidetrack this thread with this broader discussion, but just in response to your post there. http://www.wftv.com/news/19489838/detail.html

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Just as a funny aside, military families are quite used to duct tape being refered to as 50 or 100 mile tape because, "It can hold a jeep together at 100 miles an hour."

The story behind it also explains why people often call it 'duck' tape vs duct tape. (Civvies got the name wrong, hence duct tape - LOL) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=100+mile+an+hour+tape

That's so funny! My hubby has told me....."It's not "duct" tape, it's duck tape." The guy loves the stuff, LOL.

 

[ThoughtElf]

TY, I appreciate that considerate attempt to keep the thread on track.

I don't think the current discussion is causing a sidetrack, at all. If the quantity of duct tape sold is a point that JB and team will raise, then we all benefit by bouncing around the other elements that would have to be considered by the jury in relation to other owners of the Henkel duct tape.

We're on the same page, I believe - working together to explore the merits of presented arguments/evidence.

 

[Bittiness39]

Everyone has done a lot of great research here. To me, the duct tape is just one more piece in the puzzle. It all fits in line with the information we have. And what that information enables us to do is utilize our common sense to discern, without an actual video tape of the crime committed against Caylee, what person committed that crime. There is more here against KC than most defendents will ever have against them. So the real question was she framed? There is no evidence to support that. You have sure, some shady characters...but which one had access to the blanket, child, car, garage...to suggest otherwise is an exercise in futility. A responsible defense team should be able to recognize that save one person out of the Orlando phonebook...that there was no Zenaida. NO Samantha. No kidnapping of Caylee at JBP. No script for KC to follow. The truth lies with KC. And given her lack of remorse about the death of Caylee...the truth will die with her.

If KC were my child, I would want to know...no matter how painful. You can't give justice to the guilty. Only mercy and forgiveness. I would want KC to ask for forgiveness and to tell the truth. I wouldn't be buying the stories that she has been telling. Because not one of them adds up.

It is like the Magic 8 Ball: I ask, is KC guilty, "No Doubt" or "All signs point to yes." It is just a literal thing I guess that signs with pictures of a missing Caylee had duct tape similiar to what appears was wrapped around that poor child's mouth and head.

You know even though the defense is going hard core after the duct tape...how do you explain away decomposition on the paper towels in the trash bag in the trunk. Obvious evidence of a dead rotting child in the trunk of a car clearly being driven by KC. 31 days without so much as a peep about her daughter...the defense should plea this out.

 

[marspiter]

really, for what kind of work? My husband does all kinds of garagey things but our roll of duct tape is ancient! He's into building cars and all kinds of mechanical things but as far as duct tape use, he doesn't use it any more than the next person. I guess people use it for electrical applications? not even for electrics is it, that's that black electrical tape....more like for, well, ducting? ha ha

I use alot of duct tape. I have several rolls and some in various colors (red, green, black). One roll in my jeep, one in the car, one in my wifes car, 4 in the garage (one silver and 3 colored), one in the kitchen. Around here in my neck of the woods it's used for everything. Like they say here if you can't duck it...____ it. Almost any kind of application that I would need tape for I use duct tape, unless it would be more prudent to use clear scotch tape. My neighbors old truck is held together by the stuff. If not for the duct tape and bailing wire I think that old ford would literally fall off the frame. Only thing he uses the truck for is hunting. That and duct tape makes for a good bandage in a jiff when your on a construction site or hiking in the woods.

So it really just depends on the person and how many different things they can find to use duct tape on instead of another alternative. I've personally used it for temporary auto repairs, temporary tire repairs (spare was flat too), bandages, fixing house hold appliances, ect. You name it I've probably used it for some application or another. Mainly as some sort of temporary fix until it could be repaired properly or replaced.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Here's a really good post from JWG helping to put the rarity of the tape in perspective: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4239623&postcount=112"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The Duct Tape Match #3[/ame]

 

[whiteangora]

134,719 just in 2006-2007? That's a lot of rolls of duct tape. Think of the total number of rolls sold in those preceding years on that chart. Someone said, "It's only 2 percent of the whole market" once. Well, that's a lot.

No, actually it is Not a lot.
Here's a quick run down on just a few of the establishments that sell duct tape across N America.

Lowes, (approx) 1600 stores
Home Depot 2200 stores
Walmart 4000 stores
Target 1500 stores
KMart 1400 stores
Ace Hardware 4600 stores
15,300 approx Total Stores
There are many, many more places to buy duct tape, if only 2% of all duct tape sales are of this special variety then is is indeed unusual. WFTV has done the State of FL a huge favor, and this evidence will go a long way in convicting Casey.

 

[ThoughtElf]

No, actually it is Not a lot.
Here's a quick run down on just a few of the establishments that sell duct tape across N America.

Lowes, (approx) 1600 stores
Home Depot 2200 stores
Walmart 4000 stores
Target 1500 stores
KMart 1400 stores
Ace Hardware 4600 stores
15,300 approx Total Stores
There are many, many more places to buy duct tape, if only 2% of all duct tape sales are of this special variety then is is indeed unusual. WFTV has done the State of FL a huge favor, and this evidence will go a long way in convicting Casey.

The 2008 population for Orlando is 2,103,480. Don't have the breakdown for 2008, but using 2000 census states, we can remove approximately:

• 35,014 residents under the age of 15
• 8,507 residents over the age of 75

Who aren't likely to have purchased the Henkel tape or used it on Caylee.

• Which leaves us with approx 2,059,959 potential Orlando purchasers of the rare Henkel tape distributed in Orlando in the stores you have listed above.
• And since only 134,719 rolls were distributed in all of NA in 2006-2007, the odds are getting narrower by the minute.
• Let's just play with the numbers and pretend that all 50 states got an equal number of rolls (134,719 / 50), which would mean that in the entire state of Florida there were only 2694 rolls for sale
• And only a portion of the entire FL allotment of 2694 rolls would have been available for purchase in 2006-2007 by any one of the 2,059,959 Orlando residents between 15 - 75 years of age
• I could go on, but the math bears out that the Henkel duct tape was quite rare in Orlando.

So was access to Caylee. The number of people who had that is even more rare.

The duct tape evidence is not going away, nor can it be easily explained away.

 

[SuziQ]

really, for what kind of work? My husband does all kinds of garagey things but our roll of duct tape is ancient! He's into building cars and all kinds of mechanical things but as far as duct tape use, he doesn't use it any more than the next person. I guess people use it for electrical applications? not even for electrics is it, that's that black electrical tape....more like for, well, ducting? ha ha

I probably buy at least 7 or 8 rolls of it a year. Not kidding you. First off it seems to grow legs and disappears on it's own. Or that person named "I don't know" took it. Here is the typical convo with my kids. "Who took the duct tape? I don't know..." And that person "I don't know" also steals all my screwdrivers. Every camping trip that we go on we take duct tape, just in case, and it never makes it's way home. Personally I use very little of it, but it seems I'm always buying it. Now I'm depressed because I just realized I'm probably spending 50.00 to 100.00 dollars a year on duct tape.

 

[ThoughtElf]

"I don't know" needs their allowance dinged, SuziQ. :wink:

Removing computer privs works on them, too. I know this because "I don't know's" cousin "Not me" lives here with me.