GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #12

[Fireweed]

Imo, the Attorney General is not helping by some of the things she has said, i.e would not address Abigail's level of cooperation. She could have said we believe she is trying her best to cooperate or cooperating to the best of her ability, something like that. Of course this kind of response is only adding fuel for those who believe she is NOT cooperating. Jmo jmo jmo

You said it. This is why LE in this case so desperately needs a PR person. They have no idea how to word things in a way that puts people at ease and stops so many rumors and speculation. I will not comment on LE's ability in this case to solve the crime or figure out what happened, but I will comment on the fact that their public relations are terrible.

Some people here say that their only job is to work on this investigation, but that is just not true. A large part of any police department's work in a high profile case is dealing with the public, especially when they have repeatedly asked for the public's help. The way they are wording things, along with the very unprofessional sketch of a guy, who I guess is bad??? I am still confused by that, two days later. It all just makes me shake my head.

But if LE wants to conduct themselves this way, then I suppose that is their choice. I am merely pointing out to them that if they want the public's help, then they should keep the public in their good graces. No I do not mean spilling every part of the investigation. I mean very basic stuff, like carefully crafted statements that do not seem so sketchy to everyone, or releasing a sketch that has been done by an actual profession police sketch artist, or when asking for public help, giving the public the information they would actually need in order to help.

Again, they can do as they like, but if they keep handling the case like this, then I swear they will not get a lot of help the next time they release a sketch.

 

[katydid23]

If I ever found out my law enforcement department compromised an on-going investigation for the sake of common courtesy, I would flip.

Have I gone mad here? This case is not over. LE are currently working an extremely active case and they are going to keep their mouths shut until it's over or they need to release info. Period.

I guess I am not understanding this situation well enough to comment on it. I thought she had returned and was not wanting to tell anyone where she had been. So I just said that I thought a very few people, most affected by her disappearance, should be given an explanation. It does not have to be immediate. Just at some point, that is all I am saying. Sorry if I am off base. I may have it all wrong.:whiteflag:

I am only going by what I experienced when my sons gf ran away. I felt that we were owed an explanation because of the pressure that was put on my son by her family and LE. Maybe these cases are not similar enough to compare.

 

[Eileen730]

Imo, the Attorney General is not helping by some of the things she has said, i.e would not address Abigail's level of cooperation. She could have said we believe she is trying her best to cooperate or cooperating to the best of her ability, something like that. Of course this kind of response is only adding fuel for those who believe she is NOT cooperating. Jmo jmo jmo

JMO
<MODSNIP>
I personally do not think she was kidnapped ...
JMO

 

[necco]

First things must be taken care of first!!! Clearly Abby and Zenya's priorities are:
Reconnect with loved ones.
Take care of physical health.
Take care of mental health.
Help the police as much as possible balanced with taking care of the first three things in order of priority.

Respectfully snipped.

THIS. A thousand times, this.

Thanking the post wasn't enough.

 

[liljim]

I guess I am not understanding this situation well enough to comment on it. I thought she had returned and was not wanting to tell anyone where she had been. So I just said that I thought a very few people, most affected by her disappearance, should be given an explanation. It does not have to be immediate. Just at some point, that is all I am saying. Sorry if I am off base. I may have it all wrong.:whiteflag:

I am only going by what I experienced when my sons gf ran away. I felt that we were owed an explanation because of the pressure that was put on my son by her family and LE. Maybe these cases are not similar enough to compare.

i understood your point, it did not seem like you were demanding an immediate answer that would compromise the investigation to me. a reasonable person can interpret the situation just as you have because of the lack of clarity by LE, they may have good reason for it or maybe they just dont know, but for you to interpret the situation as you have and make the comment you did, is perfectly reasonable and understandable.

 

[Fireweed]

Respectfully snipped.

THIS. A thousand times, this.

Thanking the post wasn't enough.

I like how "catching the that did this" is not on that list. Good clue.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Respectfully snipped.

THIS. A thousand times, this.

Thanking the post wasn't enough.

If this were my child, that would be my priorities in exactly that order.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I like how "catching the that did this" is not on that list. Good clue.

I'm not 100% sure there is a " that did this" and I would bet LE isn't 100% sure either.

 

[takeitfromme412]

I like how "catching the that did this" is not on that list. Good clue.

That would be classified under the "law enforcement" section. LE will handle catching the perp.... no need to be so critical of what a counselor feels should be a good healing plan for Abby

 

[Fireweed]

I'm not 100% sure there is a " that did this" and I would bet LE isn't 100% sure either.

Exactly my point, which is why their list of priorities is such a great clue.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Exactly my point, which is why their list of priorities is such a great clue.

That wasn't LE's list of priorities FWIW

 

[Fireweed]

That would be classified under the "law enforcement" section. LE will handle catching the perp.... no need to be so critical of what a counselor feels should be a good healing plan for Abby

I will never be a counselor then, because I would think that catching and punishing the person who kidnapped and imprisoned someone for 9 months would be excellent for the healing process.

 

[takeitfromme412]

There was a comment maybe a page or so back saying that NH State Police needs a PR person. The State of New Hampshire Attorney General's Office handles that part. They obviously release information to the public that they feel will not harm the investigation in doing so. What they do not release is to help the investigation. Patience and vigilance of the man in the sketch is what is really needed by the public.... all of the above stated is IMO

 

[takeitfromme412]

I will never be a counselor then, because I would think that catching and punishing the person who kidnapped and imprisoned someone for 9 months would be excellent for the healing process.

Oh I do agree with you on that. Of course it is. I'm a survivor of stalking. One of the last things involved in the process of healing was him being caught and brought to justice (several times over). But keeping up physical and mental health or getting back to it really does have to come first. Just my 2 cents from my own personal experience.

 

[Mimimom]

My first time posting on this thread, ive been around for years but mostly read.
Regarding the BF and his father due to some questions the police have asked during the time Abby was missing I do believe he/they have every right to an answer, specifically an honest answer to one question. They have a major interest there.....just something to think about. <modsnip> IMO and I hope I didn't break any rules

 

[Jacie Estes]

Thanks, I am a mama bear when someone tries to hurt our son.

BBM. Snipped by me for space.

Who said never? (See below).

And of course it is reasonable that they WANT to know what has happened. Not one post has indicated that the desire to know what has happened is crazy, irrational, unreasonable, unfair, wrong, etc. Not one. Heck, I'm dying to know myself.

It is the DEMAND for immediate information in the middle of a darned investigation that is being questioned, for goodness' sake.



BBM. Who said it is "over" and no one is ever going to get any further information? Hasn't LE been super, extremely clear that there is an on-going investigation?



And guess who gets to determine whether there is a public threat? Guess who gets to do that balancing test? LE.

They are the professionals when it comes to public safety, not us. We have no say in their decisions except when it comes to election time.

For now I'm trusting that they are revealing what is necessary to reveal.



BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm confused myself. Too much second guessing of LE before the gun has even stopped smoking.



I really love you how you dealt with that situation. Spot on perfect.

 

[Fireweed]

There was a comment maybe a page or so back saying that NH State Police needs a PR person. The State of New Hampshire Attorney General's Office handles that part. They obviously release information to the public that they feel will not harm the investigation in doing so. What they do not release is to help the investigation. Patience and vigilance of the man in the sketch is what is really needed by the public.... all of the above stated is IMO

That was me. Okay, then the state's AG really needs a PR person. Like, badly. Vigilance of a guy who does not really even look like a person? Unless Abby was chloroformed, then she could describe with a lot more detail, and the sketch could look like an actual police sketch that professionals create. I said it once, and I will say it again: there is too much "off" about that sketch and the information accompanying it. I feel like the public is being sent on a collective fool's errand.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

That was me. Okay, then the state's AG really needs a PR person. Like, badly. Vigilance of a guy who does not really even look like a person? Unless Abby was chloroformed, then she could describe with a lot more detail, and the sketch could look like an actual police sketch that professionals create. I said it once, and I will say it again: there is too much "off" about that sketch and the information accompanying it. I feel like the public is being sent on a collective fool's errand.

I agree that the sketch and information given is lacking, but I'm guessing that's the best they could get from Abby. Not everything should be blamed on LE. We don't know if she was drugged or chloroformed (as you say) or blindfolded or ??? The possibilities are endless. Perhaps this person does not even exist? Not everything here is necessarily
the fault of LE or the AG. Perhaps Abby doesn't remember? Perhaps she doesn't want to provide that info? The possibilities are endless. If she doesn't want to share info with LE, what are they supposed to do beat it out of her?

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM I am glad you posted it because it just clarified something for me. In shifting the blame, he has victimized Abby, rather than having compassion for her. So many who have decided they deserve answers, are entitled to information or are speculating are victimizing Abby all over again. Why do adults feel they need to do that?

Our own son had a little go round with a drama queen 14 year old who was calling our house threatening to kill herself because she was upset that a 14 year old boy [our son] wasn't into her as much as she wanted. I took the phone from him and told her she needed to seek help. As the parent, I stepped in, hung up the phone, called 911 and reported a suicidal girl at her address. her mother calls 10 minutes later screaming that I got her daughter in trouble. Needless to say, no more contact with that girl and her bluff was called. CPS got involved and drama was gone from our lives. I did not need to know what happened afterward, my job was to neutralize the situation for our son, which I did. That is not what JC is doing here; he is on a fishing trip and I question the motive for that. IMHO.

You are brilliant! I love the way you handled that!


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[pkirsch2013]

Exactly my point, which is why their list of priorities is such a great clue.

This was not a list made up by anyone from law enforcement or from anyone other than someone who is a teen counselor in the community. It is someon who has absolutely no connection to anything related to the case and has had no contact with Abby. It was just her general statement of guidelines. I promise, no clues here.

And if my statement makes you think "well, his claiming there are no clues here means there must be clues here", yeah, I can't win that argument.