NH NH - Elizabeth Marriott, 19, Durham, 9 Oct 2012 - # 7 *S. Mazzaglia guilty*

[geevee]

Wow, Im kind of surprised that some of you do not see Seth as an abuser

I guess you had to have watched all of Kat's testimony to understand, Minor.

 

[zoey]

I think he's an abuser as well. I see Kat as an enabler to that behaviour - taking and enjoying the abuse (not trying to end the cycle so to speak) then lying for her abuser. I know it happens, but never in a case like this as I've heard. He murdered a woman and she totally went along with it.

By no means do I see her as a mousy, brainwashed victim -- maybe that's the difference between her and other victims of abuse. Kat loved it.

MOO

Mel

thanks--that's the way I see it. I wasn't even giving DV anything in this trial-that's why this guy surprised me.

 

[zoey]

I guess you had to have watched all of Kat's testimony to understand, Minor.

XO :loveyou: I'm with you on that!!!!

 

[minor4th]

Hi Minor4th!

Hi Haunts :seeya:

 

[geevee]

OK since it is breaktime another O/T (sorry peeps :blush-

Geev, Germany smoked Portugal, WOW! :shocked2:

I know, obliteration!

 

[Nymeria]

Excellent work on Nymeria's part. You enhance the neighborhood.:blushing:

:blush: Aww so sweet Chell, as do you (and sooo many others on WS, most hanging on this thread at the moment )
If I keep going O/T though the neighborhood watch is going to slap a citation on me :giggle:

 

[minor4th]

I guess you had to have watched all of Kat's testimony to understand, Minor.

I did watch all of it.

 

[Chelly]

I have been trying to figure out how LE "forgot" to read SM Miranda Rights before he confessed. Or why, when he began to confess, the rights were not read. Real mysterious to me.

 

[zoey]

It was like "wait - I didn't get the last word". I think that ticked her off, and she wasn't expecting it -- she didn't get to boo hoo, or say how horrible it was, blah blah blah. Barth did good in that regard.

MOO

Mel

she wasn't happy being dismissed. Even started to say something.

 

[minor4th]

Excellent work on Nymeria's part. You enhance the neighborhood.:blushing:

That is so sweet :blushing:

 

[Nymeria]

I think he's an abuser as well. I see Kat as an enabler to that behaviour - taking and enjoying the abuse (not trying to end the cycle so to speak) then lying for her abuser. I know it happens, but never in a case like this as I've heard. He murdered a woman and she totally went along with it.

By no means do I see her as a mousy, brainwashed victim -- maybe that's the difference between her and other victims of abuse. Kat loved it.

MOO

Mel

^THIS

Was trying to think this out to explain to Minor why we all feel how we do.
Not that Seth is not abusive but that she was almost open to it.
Plus I think she controlled HIM in a lot of ways.
It's a weird case/situation Minor!

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Great post with the picture. It is exactly how she described, however, I think it makes more sense for this to have happened more with her version to Barth than the GJ. Her sitting on Lizzie, at the same time being choked with the ropes and it eventually caused brain damage. A fast attack of strangulation would not seem to cause this posturing IMO. I have seen this happen several times as a Medic

I think you are unto something there Lori59. I have seen umpteen people strangled on TV and in the movies and their arms go up to fight off the instrument being used to choke them but then dying and their arms go limp.

I can see the scenerio you mention more likely. seth or kat pulling on the ropes and kat sitting on Lizzi causing a seizure/brain damage and that locked fisted look.

Not to be too graphic but in that type of death, brain damage due to strangulation/suffocation, doesn't the victim bite down?

 

[Skigirl]

Great post with the picture. It is exactly how she described, however, I think it makes more sense for this to have happened more with her version to Barth than the GJ. Her sitting on Lizzie, at the same time being choked with the ropes and it eventually caused brain damage. A fast attack of strangulation would not seem to cause this posturing IMO. I have seen this happen several times as a Medic

I don't think we can infer a lot about the cause by knowing the posture, other than that it would have to have involved a nearly-complete cut-off of oxygen. Certainly a rope around the neck pulled tightly could accomplish that. It would seem to me to be easier and faster to accomplish a cut-off of airflow with one person pulling very tightly and purposely on a rope around the neck than by accident with another person in the way.

 

[Chelly]

:blush: Aww so sweet Chell, as do you (and sooo many others on WS, most hanging on this thread at the moment )
If I keep going O/T though the neighborhood watch is going to slap a citation on me :giggle:

Thanks and okey dokey. But, I think big brother permits you one Cool Whhhip per trial, so back on topic as of now.

So, ya'll know I categorize paid expert witnesses same as jailhouse snitches, but I'm considering reconsidering for the doc who is currently testifying.

 

[Chelly]

That is so sweet :blushing:

So, now that I sweet-talked ya...hoping to hear some of your opinions...:floorlaugh:

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

we're back

 

[geevee]

I did watch all of it.

Then I guess I'm the one who is perplexed, it seems quite clear to me that Kat wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit her in the rear, that she is much craftier than trying to let on, was not bullied by Seth, and had a much bigger role in Lizzie's death than she's willing to admit to now - although did admit to being the main cause of it during her statement to the defense.

Just moo

 

[zoey]

We have resumed our stream.

by KC Downey/WMUR Staff 11:49 AM


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[minor4th]

I think he's an abuser as well. I see Kat as an enabler to that behaviour - taking and enjoying the abuse (not trying to end the cycle so to speak) then lying for her abuser. I know it happens, but never in a case like this as I've heard. He murdered a woman and she totally went along with it.

By no means do I see her as a mousy, brainwashed victim -- maybe that's the difference between her and other victims of abuse. Kat loved it.

MOO

Mel

An abuse victim is kind of by definition an enabler. I also think Kat went along with it, and I even think Kat knew or suspected Seth was going to rape Lizzie when he sent the text message about painting. Kat helped murder Lizzi and she cannot be excused because she is an abuse victim.

Nevertheless, I believe she was an abuse victim and that Seth had a great deal of control over her - not that he literally forced her to participate but that Kat did fear him and the consequences of disobeying him.

Of the two, Kat is the least dangerous, as I do not believe that Kat, without Seth, would harm anyone; whereas I believe Seth is a dangerous person with or without Kat.

 

[epiphany]

Now Dr. H is speaking about Symbolic Abuse...