NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 #15

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  • #581
thanks for this..he was known to fly, I'm not saying he did..there must be something in this time line that still leaves room, otherwise they wouldn't entertain it too much..

from what we do know is he went through a lot of travel zig zags and pretzel knots to hide himself from suspicion and to make himself less traceable. So..there must be some room here for other possibilities..

added , Maura went missing Feb 9.
 
  • #582
Unless some evidence emerges I can not see a link between Keyes and Maura Murray. The only link I have found between Maura the site of her disappearance that can be corroborated using known facts and evidence are her history of traveling to the White Mountains growing up and someone associated with Maura being in the area and familiar with the area around the time of her disappearance. I am not one to speculate without known facts, but as the current discussion is focused on theories, I will play along and provide a theory that is at least plausible.

Maura's known friends consisted of track team members, so perhaps a member of the track team mentioned to Maura or someone else in the circle of friends that they were heading to the White Mountains and at least one of those friends planned on joining up with this friend in the White Mountains and discussed it with Maura and she decided to join in on the adventure. In order to do so she has to clear her schedule, so concocts a story to get out of class and work and heads to the White Mountains to join up with friends. Enroute she crashes her vehicle, so friends going to White Mountains or person all ready there take her the rest of the way, again the tandem driver theory that I can find evidence to support, but is at least possible based on unverifiable statement by cashier at grocery store that saw Maura with friends enroute. So somehow they make it to the location in the White Mountains and as college kids do they party, which may support the rumors of a party and the so called Loon 3, but again I am speculating as I have no proof or evidence Maura made it to the location, that Maura partied, or that the Loon 3 even exist. I would contest that this theory is at least or more likely then Keyes getting from Salt Lake City to New Hampshire undetected or the theory of a local abducting Maura, as I have heard numerous visits and tests of these locals houses and surrounding areas turning up no evidence Maura was at these locations. Is it possible the boyfriend knew the location either from Maura herself or one of the friends he was known to contact and met them there when he arrived to "search"? I have no evidence of that but can not find evidence against it either, so is mere conjecture at this point, but does make me raise an eyebrow.

Now I will get back to trying to stick with known facts and evidence and remove myself from speculating and theorizing what happened to Maura.
 
  • #583
it makes some sense...she is followed at an easy distance and clip from the bar..the killer comes upon the spinout wreck thing..says hey weren't you just at the bar? she recognizes him( he seems totally nice and normal).. I can give you a ride up to the store , you can get a signal there.. get a tow.

and that's how fast she's gone. mOO

This has always been pretty much my theory too.
I just cannot see her walking off and dying from the elements and searchers not finding her in all this time. She would have had to walk miles in horrible weather to get outside their search grid.
I think Israel Keyes is an interesting thought but the timeline seems to rule that out.
 
  • #584
I am sure someone has provided a thorough timeline somewhere, but I haven't seen any information for February 6 after being escorted to her dorm up to an outgoing cell phone call on February 6, at 6:13 PM, outside of a single phone call at 03:40 AM to Dominos. The call to Dominos has me scratching my head a bit for a few reasons.

1. The time of the call seems odd, although college kids keep some odd hours, but I have never seen Dominos open that late, but maybe things are different out East.
2. So Maura is apparently unresponsive in a catatonic state 2 hours early, but now is ordering a pie.
3. There could be some connection between Maura and this Dominos. She utilized a stolen credit card to buy food in November 2003 at a few locations, including Dominos. Then the 28 hours between 12:00 am on February 5 and 03:40 am on February 6 she calls Dominos three times, once at 12:00 am on February 5 for 5 minutes, then calling back at 12:10 am on February 5 for 3 minutes, and lastly at 03:40 am on February 6 for 2 minutes.

Maybe Maura just liked Dominos, but I would be curious to know if she was acquainted with anyone there.
 
  • #585
is it always the same dominos? how strange, I did not know this! thanks and that is kinda weird..I mean was Domino's delivered? or was she just calling there? hmmm..I wonder too...
 
  • #586
cheese or pepperoni ?

I'll show myself out....
 
  • #587
I do not think there is anything at Dominos that would point the direction to Maura, but when things keep popping up in a review of the information there may be something there, like possibly someone she may have known that could provide information about Maura's mental state leading up to her disappearance since clearly her "friends" will not provide information at this point.

In the mounds of rumors, possibilities, and theories that have no evidence to support them, the one thing I keep returning to is the words written by someone associated with Maura. "I was on the track team in February 2004, and knew "Maura's Friend", but wasn't really friends with Maura. I also worked the same security job as Maura. I mentioned both of these things to Tim and Lance already. I was actually returning from a family ski trip that Monday night, and it's possible I drove past the accident, but if I did I don't recall."

Which was followed up with the following response when asked about that statement later, "Yea - growing up in eastern mass, we used 2 highways to get pretty much everywhere we went in NH -- Rt. 93 going north/south and Rt. 112 ("the Kank") going east/west. Before GPS etc, it was a road I knew that if I get to it, I could get where I needed to go. (Same thing with Rt. 6 and 28 on the Cape.) I really do not remember what route I took. But knowing that I could take 112 just about all the way to 91, and then take 91 all the way back to UMass, that would have made sense to me then. Because even if it was a little longer, it was basically only 2 roads (both of which I knew), and thus, a much lower probability of getting lost up there (which again, before GPS, smartphones, etc., was a bigger deal). That's why I said that."

The only thing I have changed in these statements is the removal of a name and replaced with "Maura's Friend", as I try not to mention names in my ramblings for obvious reasons. So clearly this person is familiar with the area, familiar with Maura to at least some degree, and was in the area around the time of the disappearance. Throw in the fact that this person in recent years has for what ever reason appeared to be a supporter of Maura's boyfriend. Coincidences do happen, so my mind could be staring down a rabbit hole, but this is an awful lot of coincidence in my opinion. As you can see in my previous posts have always refrained from using people's names and will continue to do so as not to point blame on anyone I have no proof or evidence was involved with any part of this situation. I am merely pointing out a rather large set of coincidences that I had seen posted around in various places.
 
  • #588
Occam's razor tells me she was drinking, crashed, ran off after the encounter with the bus driver, and succumbed to the elements. And no, you wouldn't have necessarily come across any remains by now.

Occam's razor also can get pretty shaky when it comes to the complexities of human behavior, so my theory may be just as off base.
 
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  • #589
Occam's razor tells me she was drinking, crashed, ran off after the encounter with the bus driver, and succumbed to the elements. And no, you wouldn't have necessarily come across any remains by now.

Occam's razor also can get pretty shaky when it comes to the complexities of human behavior, so my theory may be just as off base.

This is my theory, too. And I agree, they wouldn’t necessarily have found her remains.

MOO
 
  • #590
Dogs would have found her..her scent vanished...she vanished and that tells me she got into a car..decomp dogs would have no trouble getting thru the woods and locating her body..even if she crawled inside a log to sleep it off, which has been known to happen due to hypothermia ..the dogs would have found her body...she could only go so far I would think with the snow...so she would be in a radius..

so I really think she got in a car with someone. mOO
 
  • #591
Dogs would have found her..her scent vanished...she vanished and that tells me she got into a car..decomp dogs would have no trouble getting thru the woods and locating her body..even if she crawled inside a log to sleep it off, which has been known to happen due to hypothermia ..the dogs would have found her body...she could only go so far I would think with the snow...so she would be in a radius..

so I really think she got in a car with someone. mOO

MOO

Dogs are great when they do find people, but faith in dogs is seriously misplaced. I believe that there are many cases where dogs should have found people, and didn’t. And multitudes of reasons for that.

MOO
 
  • #592
I do think it's interesting that IK was out driving around states he didn't live in with a rental car when Maura went missing...I mean he basically told us this is how he would operate...a lot of subterfuge. I'm just saying..there are small air fields about 250 miles each way from Sioux City..I can't rule him out because he has victims out there and we won't find them, these are missing people...he wasn't into the marginalized he went for the regulars..he traveled great distances and died with his secrets.

but since there is no evidence I will not continue to bring it up ...even though I can't see why not..lolz.

mOO
 
  • #593
Certainly no theory can be ruled out since we have no idea where Maura is at....However I tend to discount the Isreal Keyes theory because the situation just does not match with the way he operated. I just cannot see Isreal Keyes abducting a victim, knowing police may be directly following due to the car accident. I can not see him abducting in sight of potential witnesses. He made that mistake once and it was his undoing....In my opinion I can see Briana Maitland as an Isreal Keyes victim due to the circumstances, but not Maura Murray.

As far as succumbing to the elements, I also can not rule that theory out, as it is plausible especially if she managed to travel a considerable distance to not be in the search areas. To that end, she still travelled to the location of the crash, what is your opinion on why she travelled to this location?
 
  • #594
honestly I always thought she went up there to go party ..either preplanned or to find one..maybe for a hook up...seems like she was having boy probs..
I never thought she was up there to kill herself..the weird thing is she had no reservations to stay anywhere..so I always wondered if it was a hook up and she had a place to crash or there would be a sleepover somewhere...I mean you cannot just sleep in your car up there..this is part of the story that seems totally missing from the narrative.. where did Maura plan to spend the night? and was someone we don't know expecting Maura? were they expecting her or lying in wait for her?

I do think she was heading to another bar or a party house or someone's place..mOO
 
  • #595
honestly I always thought she went up there to go party ..either preplanned or to find one..maybe for a hook up...seems like she was having boy probs..
I never thought she was up there to kill herself..the weird thing is she had no reservations to stay anywhere..so I always wondered if it was a hook up and she had a place to crash or there would be a sleepover somewhere...I mean you cannot just sleep in your car up there..this is part of the story that seems totally missing from the narrative.. where did Maura plan to spend the night? and was someone we don't know expecting Maura? were they expecting her or lying in wait for her?

I do think she was heading to another bar or a party house or someone's place..mOO

College kids generally don't travel long distances for a hook up. They usually just go to the building next to theirs.

Now if she was having an affair with a married guy traveling somewhere where they wouldn't be recognized would make more sense.
 
  • #596
In my opinion I can see Briana Maitland as an Isreal Keyes victim due to the circumstances, but not Maura Murray.

Not to sidetrack, but I lived in Vermont not far from Brianna Maitland when she disappeared, and everyone in the area knows (well...heavily suspects is I guess the proper verbiage) she was killed by locals over drugs. They just weren't able to collect enough evidence for charges.
 
  • #597
her car looked like it spun out. its one of the weirdest cases...what interest would drug dealers have in killing her?
I mean she's young and pretty...would be worth more trafficked..I don't think so ...I think she was stalked , kidnapped and murdered ...

I wonder what quick ways you can tinker with a car...?

another haunting disappearance so close by, so similar,2 spun out cars off the road..items in car..missing victim. around the same time..

creepy. mOO
 
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