NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - # 9

[AWOLNATION]

I really wish there would be some revival of searches in the local area, mostly ground searches. I was just reading an article in Noah Pippin who went missing in the vast wilderness of Montana and how he was located. I know money and man power are usually issues when it comes to searches, but after eight years and all the speculation I don't think it would be too hard to find volunteers to gather and do a massive search. I grew up in that area and would love to be a part of a search party. It's time for some closure and everyone needs to band together and help out. I don't like to think about wild theories and such, but it makes me wonder why LE hasn't searched more, unless they do have some sort of information that warrants them not seeking a search.

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[OldSteve]

Linnea's case seems like a present-day version in some ways of Maura's:

I don't believe Linnea brought this about by anything she did - she was just out for a stroll, a walk by the river, and going back, I believe to meet up with her dad and mom. Then somethng happened, some person came by and her life was forever changed - this is my best guess and I think a reasonable assumption under the circumstances. She had a good life with her family, a good life growing up, and she was and is loved.

Linnea had every right to decide to leave the clinic and be her own person but I don't believe she would abandon her family like that, she loved her dad, sought his counsel, he was helping her and guiding her.

I hope she is found soon and this nightmare for her loved ones ends.

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[scoops]

I had a chance on Friday night to go way back and review this case from all my articles, notes and such and the newer stuff that has come out since james began his blog.

I found some interesting things.


One such find was that when Fred and family were briefed (Feb 11, 2004) about the accident they were told about the rag found in the tailpipe and were also told not to let that information get leaked out to the public. Police believed the rag was another indicator that maura wanted to commit suicide as I understand it.

Nevertheless, all 13 people that responded to the accident on Feb 9, were privy to knowing about the rag in the tailpipe and that info leaked to the public (Through internet forums) anyway.

Once out, family let it be known to police that it wasn't leaked by them and they also requested permission from police to be able to talk about the rag openly from that point on.

 

[pianokiller]

I know this is a little OT, but has anyone read the case of Jessica Ronhock? The cases seem very similar; girl disappears from college, is seen at ATMs, suddenly goes missing. In this case, Jessica Ronhock was found; her jeep had crashed through an area with no guard rails and landed in a ravine.

It was also noted that they found a hair tie in her hand, which led them to believe the crash was accidental. When I first heard about this case I instantly thought of Maura Murray and I wonder if some of the things we know about the Jessica Ronhock case could be applied to the Maura Murray case?

 

[McSpy]

I had a chance on Friday night to go way back and review this case from all my articles, notes and such and the newer stuff that has come out since james began his blog.

I found some interesting things.


One such find was that when Fred and family were briefed (Feb 11, 2004) about the accident they were told about the rag found in the tailpipe and were also told not to let that information get leaked out to the public. Police believed the rag was another indicator that maura wanted to commit suicide as I understand it.

Nevertheless, all 13 people that responded to the accident on Feb 9, were privy to knowing about the rag in the tailpipe and that info leaked to the public (Through internet forums) anyway.

Once out, family let it be known to police that it wasn't leaked by them and they also requested permission from police to be able to talk about the rag openly from that point on.

I remember reading on Renner's blog that the mechanic/lot owner found the rag stuffed way up the tail pipe. This makes me wonder how the cop at the accident scene found it first. I can see him with a flashlight looking around on the ground around her car and discovering it that way, but if it was shoved high up into the pipe, how would he have noticed it? It had to be visible, I would think . .

JMO

 

[McSpy]

I know this is a little OT, but has anyone read the case of Jessica Ronhock? The cases seem very similar; girl disappears from college, is seen at ATMs, suddenly goes missing. In this case, Jessica Ronhock was found; her jeep had crashed through an area with no guard rails and landed in a ravine.

It was also noted that they found a hair tie in her hand, which led them to believe the crash was accidental. When I first heard about this case I instantly thought of Maura Murray and I wonder if some of the things we know about the Jessica Ronhock case could be applied to the Maura Murray case?

Unfortunately, I think it is more common than one thinks. If someone is missing along with their vehicle, chances are they are still with the vehicle. There were several guys in my area, who went missing along with their rented SUV. They were on vacation in Florida. Ultimately, their vehicle was found in a retention pond off a freeway exit. All the men were found inside the upside down vehicle in the retention pond. There was another case of a van load of teenagers, who turned up missing in the New London, CT area. Their vehicle was discovered in the Thames River with the missing teens inside. IIRC, they were found 13 years after being reported missing. JMO

 

[pianokiller]

Unfortunately, I think it is more common than one thinks. If someone is missing along with their vehicle, chances are they are still with the vehicle. There were several guys in my area, who went missing along with their rented SUV. They were on vacation in Florida. Ultimately, their vehicle was found in a retention pond off a freeway exit. All the men were found inside the upside down vehicle in the retention pond. There was another case of a van load of teenagers, who turned up missing in the New London, CT area. Their vehicle was discovered in the Thames River with the missing teens inside. IIRC, they were found 13 years after being reported missing. JMO

To me the more interesting correlations were between the sudden packing up and leaving college with essentially not giving anyone a straight answer. Both seemed like they were planning on returning. To me, I think the similarities are just too close to ignore. The Maura Murray case has haunted me for awhile just because of the sheer unkown factor.

When I was recently reading a magazine and came across an article about Jessic Ranhock, as I was reading it just blew me away the similarities. All I could think about was Maura Murray.

Of course, I could just be off in my own conspiracy-land.

 

[scoops]

I remember reading on Renner's blog that the mechanic/lot owner found the rag stuffed way up the tail pipe. This makes me wonder how the cop at the accident scene found it first. I can see him with a flashlight looking around on the ground around her car and discovering it that way, but if it was shoved high up into the pipe, how would he have noticed it? It had to be visible, I would think . .

JMO

That is one of life's mysteries as I have thought that same question as well.

Again, it makes you wonder if the rag wasn't in fact visible and maybe the tow truck driver was mistaken about how far up it was shoved.

 

[McSpy]

To me the more interesting correlations were between the sudden packing up and leaving college with essentially not giving anyone a straight answer. Both seemed like they were planning on returning. To me, I think the similarities are just too close to ignore. The Maura Murray case has haunted me for awhile just because of the sheer unkown factor.

When I was recently reading a magazine and came across an article about Jessic Ranhock, as I was reading it just blew me away the similarities. All I could think about was Maura Murray.

Of course, I could just be off in my own conspiracy-land.

I have to look at that case, but off hand it seems emotions sometimes cause these accidents. In other words, both Maura and the other girl had problems on their minds. They weren't putting all their attention on their driving, because they had more than a lot on their minds. It seems both were acting impulsively as well. I remember when one of my family members was dying, my mind was overwhelmed with grief, I had 2 very minor accidents during that time from inattention. Both accidents were my fault, but caused no damage, because of the low speed. I do need to review the girl's case, because I could be off base here, but chances are she was emotional and her accident was from inattention. JMO

 

[McSpy]

To me the more interesting correlations were between the sudden packing up and leaving college with essentially not giving anyone a straight answer. Both seemed like they were planning on returning. To me, I think the similarities are just too close to ignore. The Maura Murray case has haunted me for awhile just because of the sheer unkown factor.

When I was recently reading a magazine and came across an article about Jessic Ranhock, as I was reading it just blew me away the similarities. All I could think about was Maura Murray.

Of course, I could just be off in my own conspiracy-land.

I read about her case and it does resemble Maura's disappearance (left college supposedly for a family emergency, both were nursing students, both traveled away from campus without telling anyone of their destination . .) It appears she was suicidal or extremely depressed, because of her journal entries, which were not disclosed in the news articles. The entries were described as "disheartening."
I think the early twenties can be a very difficult age. Life can sometimes seem monumental and dramatic. Sadly, Jessica appeared extremely depressed and upset over something or life in general. It is unfortunate she didn't share her feelings with anyone . . at least, it didn't appear that way. JMO

 

[buffetoflies]

Petrit himself says he was walking.
Him saying that throws out the car surfing scenario. That is, if it was his true memory or if someone else told him that as he may have had amnesia that extended to a little while before whatever happened, happened. Further, 'car surfing' involves either being up on the roof or sitting on the front end of a car. He wouldn't of fallen out, he would have fallen off. I think a broken bone or two would have occur if that was the case.


He says he has some 'scars that are consistent with being hit by a car.' I bet they are 'road rash scars'. The scars thing throws out the beat down by random peeps. Punching leaves bruises, which fade away.

I haven't tried to look up articles about it, but when I read the lifelong scars bit, it made me think he may have been hit 'head on' sort of, and fell and hit his head hard causing the coma inducing head injury but then, I think he might have been DRAGGED along with the car for a bit, hence 'road rash' scars.

I don't know if any of you have driven over anything that dragged along the undercarriage of the car (it wasn't a body, I swear!) but the sound it makes is really unnerving, especially if it happens on a road where there shouldn't be anything to hit. The vast majority of people would get out to check and see what they hit as well.

If *I* had hit a body, I would most likely be in a zombie like state, alcohol or not (can't remember if it's thought she was drunk). I've read here periodically, and it sounds like Maura had problems with getting into accidents. After all those, and then hitting a person.. I would be insane with fear of prison for life etc, even though the average sentence for vehicular homicide h&r is only about 4 years. Whoever hit him could have easily thought him to be dead for sure.

So, I disagree w/ Mr. Vasi for the above stated reasons.

 

[scoops]

Petrit himself says he was walking.
Him saying that throws out the car surfing scenario. That is, if it was his true memory or if someone else told him that as he may have had amnesia that extended to a little while before whatever happened, happened. Further, 'car surfing' involves either being up on the roof or sitting on the front end of a car. He wouldn't of fallen out, he would have fallen off. I think a broken bone or two would have occur if that was the case.


He says he has some 'scars that are consistent with being hit by a car.' I bet they are 'road rash scars'. The scars thing throws out the beat down by random peeps. Punching leaves bruises, which fade away.

I haven't tried to look up articles about it, but when I read the lifelong scars bit, it made me think he may have been hit 'head on' sort of, and fell and hit his head hard causing the coma inducing head injury but then, I think he might have been DRAGGED along with the car for a bit, hence 'road rash' scars.

I don't know if any of you have driven over anything that dragged along the undercarriage of the car (it wasn't a body, I swear!) but the sound it makes is really unnerving, especially if it happens on a road where there shouldn't be anything to hit. The vast majority of people would get out to check and see what they hit as well.

If *I* had hit a body, I would most likely be in a zombie like state, alcohol or not (can't remember if it's thought she was drunk). I've read here periodically, and it sounds like Maura had problems with getting into accidents. After all those, and then hitting a person.. I would be insane with fear of prison for life etc, even though the average sentence for vehicular homicide h&r is only about 4 years. Whoever hit him could have easily thought him to be dead for sure.

So, I disagree w/ Mr. Vasi for the above stated reasons.

Just to add to your post:

All of Vasi's injuries were to one side of his body, so that is another reason why car surfing which would've had him rolling around on the ground after hitting it ... seems unlikely.

Now as to whether or not maura was involved.

there is no real proof, just circumstantial coincidences.

A bigger story may be the fact that police have no clue what happened to vasi.

It really seems like they didn't do much of anything to try and find out what happened that night.

 

[McSpy]

Petrit himself says he was walking.
Him saying that throws out the car surfing scenario. That is, if it was his true memory or if someone else told him that as he may have had amnesia that extended to a little while before whatever happened, happened. Further, 'car surfing' involves either being up on the roof or sitting on the front end of a car. He wouldn't of fallen out, he would have fallen off. I think a broken bone or two would have occur if that was the case.


He says he has some 'scars that are consistent with being hit by a car.' I bet they are 'road rash scars'. The scars thing throws out the beat down by random peeps. Punching leaves bruises, which fade away.

I haven't tried to look up articles about it, but when I read the lifelong scars bit, it made me think he may have been hit 'head on' sort of, and fell and hit his head hard causing the coma inducing head injury but then, I think he might have been DRAGGED along with the car for a bit, hence 'road rash' scars.

I don't know if any of you have driven over anything that dragged along the undercarriage of the car (it wasn't a body, I swear!) but the sound it makes is really unnerving, especially if it happens on a road where there shouldn't be anything to hit. The vast majority of people would get out to check and see what they hit as well.

If *I* had hit a body, I would most likely be in a zombie like state, alcohol or not (can't remember if it's thought she was drunk). I've read here periodically, and it sounds like Maura had problems with getting into accidents. After all those, and then hitting a person.. I would be insane with fear of prison for life etc, even though the average sentence for vehicular homicide h&r is only about 4 years. Whoever hit him could have easily thought him to be dead for sure.

So, I disagree w/ Mr. Vasi for the above stated reasons.

I'd like to know if Maura would have been missed if she left her post and if it was easy for her to take off for a little while without notice. If it was hard for her to slip away, then she probably had nothing to do with the Vasi accident. An interview with a few students with the same job may possibly answer this question.

Also, since the Vasi accident happened after Maura got caught using someone else's credit card number, I'm not so sure she would take another risk, such as leaving her monitor post. JMO

 

[scoops]

I'd like to know if Maura would have been missed if she left her post and if it was easy for her to take off for a little while without notice. If it was hard for her to slip away, then she probably had nothing to do with the Vasi accident. An interview with a few students with the same job may possibly answer this question.

Also, since the Vasi accident happened after Maura got caught using someone else's credit card number, I'm not so sure she would take another risk, such as leaving her monitor post. JMO

She was working the 8 p.m. to 2 a.m. shift.

According to the guidelines I came across for dorm monitors at UMASS, there were breaks for their workers. It was the duty of the area supervisors and the main campus dorm supervisor to make sure workers were swapped out for breaks.

 

[deca]

If her post is anything similar to what I have seen on other campuses, there is a constant stream of students coming in and out around that time- so you would hope that someone would have noticed if the post was empty for a short time...especially if that same person becomes infamous.

Also, if it is a six hour shift...that would be a 15 min break right? Is that enough time to really go anywhere? Or just enough time to grab something from a vending machine and use the bathroom?

 

[scoops]

If her post is anything similar to what I have seen on other campuses, there is a constant stream of students coming in and out around that time- so you would hope that someone would have noticed if the post was empty for a short time...especially if that same person becomes infamous.

Also, if it is a six hour shift...that would be a 15 min break right? Is that enough time to really go anywhere? Or just enough time to grab something from a vending machine and use the bathroom?

Good points, not sure how long her break would've been.

I do believe she called a coffee shop early in her shift. I wonder if the coffee shop/cafe delivered or how she went about getting her stuff.

Also very important to note she was on her cell phone from 12:07 a.m. to 12:14 a.m. (could she have been on break during this time?) I think cell phones were forbidden at the desk technically, but she seemed to skirt that rule quite a bit but I wonder if she was on a break during that time, because young women tend to bust out their phones any chance they get for a break.

 

[McSpy]

Even if Maura had nothing to do with Vasi's accident, there seemed to have been enough going on in her life for her to act impulsively and to have taken that trip up north, in my opinion. After she got caught with the CC fraud, even a stare or whispers from any of her dorm mates could have bothered her. I don't think she was in a comfortable place after being fingered as a thief. That would bother anyone--innocent or guilty. When she crashed her Dad's car, it may have been the last straw and she needed to get away to sort things out. JMO

 

[scoops]

Even if Maura had nothing to do with Vasi's accident, there seemed to have been enough going on in her life for her to act impulsively and to have taken that trip up north, in my opinion. After she got caught with the CC fraud, even a stare or whispers from any of her dorm mates could have bothered her. I don't think she was in a comfortable place after being fingered as a thief. That would bother anyone--innocent or guilty. When she crashed her Dad's car, it may have been the last straw and she needed to get away to sort things out. JMO

truthfully, we may be blowing this cc fraud issue out of proportion.

I have a news report done from back in the day, and the reporter interviewed the occupant who lived five doors down from maura and she had no clue who maura was or that the girl that went missing actually lived just a few doors away from her. Maybe the reporter just happened to pick the one person on maura's floor that didn't know her, but I have a feeling that maura wasn't well known by many, so I don't know about gossip and whispers that would get to maura.

 

[McSpy]

truthfully, we may be blowing this cc fraud issue out of proportion.

I have a news report done from back in the day, and the reporter interviewed the occupant who lived five doors down from maura and she had no clue who maura was or that the girl that went missing actually lived just a few doors away from her. Maybe the reporter just happened to pick the one person on maura's floor that didn't know her, but I have a feeling that maura wasn't well known by many, so I don't know about gossip and whispers that would get to maura.

scoops, all it has to be is imagined. Getting caught doing something like that can end up playing tricks on your mind. I was accused of stealing in college (i was proven innocent and the culprit was caught). I was very upset and imagined everyone looking at me as a thief. It was very disruptive to my life at the time. Probably most everyone I ran into didn't know of the accusation, but it was central in my mind. I'm thinking about the emotions behind such a charge. I could be wrong about Maura's reaction, but I doubt life was a breeze for her after she was fingered as the culprit. JMO

 

[scoops]

scoops, all it has to be is imagined. Getting caught doing something like that can end up playing tricks on your mind. I was accused of stealing in college (i was proven innocent and the culprit was caught). I was very upset and imagined everyone looking at me as a thief. It was very disruptive to my life at the time. Probably most everyone I ran into didn't know of the accusation, but it was central in my mind. I'm thinking about the emotions behind such a charge. I could be wrong about Maura's reaction, but I doubt life was a breeze for her after she was fingered as the culprit. JMO

I totally agree with you.

heck that cc stuff might of even made her more recluse with those that lived on her fourth floor with her.

And a break had come and gone, maybe some of the people on her floor when school resumed weren't there during the whole CC stuff.