Nina's Interview

[freespeech]

BettyP. Posted the hinky meter timeline (link below: we had made some corrections to this that are lost now, but two things stand out as conflicting with Nina's interview.Nina says Dina did not arrive to the hospital until 3 pm, nearly 5 hours after Max's accident.
Also, this is what our general timeline of Dina's whereabouts has always said as far as I know:

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Nina, in her interview claims Dina was at the hospital (per freespeech) until 10:00 am on Tues and returned to the hospital at 3:30 pm. That is only 5 1/2 hours away from the hospital , but I know I calculated times from other sources at Dina being away from the hospital for 12-14 hours.

There are many discrepancies in Nina's version of events. I believe that she did the interview to alibi Dina at the hospital at the time of Rebecca's death. The impression that I got was a loyal sister helping out. I do not believe Nina was given the truth about Max's condition from the statements she made. I believe that Nina was set afire with stories of how Rebecca must have done something to Max and that fueled her desire to go all the way to help out. Imo, Nina was used and her story does not match other versions of events because it is composed of misinformation and possibly many lies too.

Also to begin the interview she attempts to discount the witnesses' testimony that he saw Dina on the property. The witness identified Dina by photograph and knew the difference between the two sisters. Nina was never given a polygraph as was planned. Maybe she should offer to take one now and clear things up for her sister, no?

 

[Inparadise]

Are you saying that Jonah harmed his son, actually killed him, and RZ 'loyally' stood by silently?

And why would the 13 yr old be 'loyal'? She barely knew Jonah.

IMO, she would go along with what Rebecca told her. And I don't think that anyone is pointing the finger at Jonah, just merely stating our opinion that he knows what happened, and did not want the real story told.........

 

[freespeech]

Are you saying that Jonah harmed his son, actually killed him, and RZ 'loyally' stood by silently?

And why would the 13 yr old be 'loyal'? She barely knew Jonah.

Where did I say what you are implying?

To clarify I should say that until there is absolute verification and proof the Jonah and the older sibling were not there I cannot rule out that there may have been a planking accident as was suggested by earlier articles that I have linked in past threads. Also, Anne Bremner, has stated in past articles that the older siblings were there. i have also linked that before as well.

Rebecca would be loyal to or persuaded by Jonah and X would be loyal to and persuaded by Rebecca. I think that's how that would work, no?

 

[freespeech]

IMO, she would go along with what Rebecca told her. And I don't think that anyone is pointing the finger at Jonah, just merely stating our opinion that he knows what happened, and did not want the real story told.........

I agree. We don't know the real story but there are people who do know. I was going by earlier articles I read and previously linked about a possible planking accident involving one of the siblings but no one knows for sure unless the police do a VALID investigation of the alibi's of the major players. That is another reason why I think Howard should have been interviewed. He spent a lot of time with Jonah so Jonah may have told him exactly what happened and what he knew. I do believe that Jonah would want to avoid a huge law suit and bad publicity also.

 

[Inparadise]

I agree. We don't know the real story but there are people who do know. I was going by earlier articles I read and previously linked about a possible planking accident involving one of the siblings but no one knows for sure unless the police do a VALID investigation of the alibi's of the major players. That is another reason why I think Howard should have been interviewed. He spent a lot of time with Jonah so Jonah may have told him exactly what happened and what he knew. I do believe that Jonah would want to avoid a huge law suit and bad publicity also.

What amazes me is that it appears that Dina believes Jonah's story that he was at the gym and the kids left early in the am........If I were in her shoes, I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth, directly or through a spokesperson.

 

[Zinn]

What amazes me is that it appears that Dina believes Jonah's story that he was at the gym and the kids left early in the am........If I were in her shoes, I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth, directly or through a spokesperson.

I don't think we can discount the possibility that DS could be skeptical of JS's version of events. Is it possible she feels it could be more effective to place pressure on Rebecca's family as the facts may come to the surface more easily that way? DS was recently quoted (at Coronado City Council meeting) as requesting an additional LE interview of XZ to confirm who exactly was at the home at the time of Max's accident, so it seems to me she is at least open to the possibility that one or more people were there in addition to Rebecca and XZ.

If others were in the home and somehow involved in Max's fall, I believe it was absolutely wrong to mislead DS about what happened because she is Max's mother and deserves to know the truth. However, I can absolutely see why someone (JS, RZ and/or the children) could be tempted to conceal the truth from DS as she appears to have an explosive personality and there had been a history of physical altercations between JS and DS. I had a family member like this once (through marriage) and her husband was constantly saying "DON'T TELL LAURA!" about minor and major happenings and everything in between. It seemed like a PTSD response. Additionally, JS seems to be someone who generally withholds information, and DS seems to be someone who frequently jumps to unusual conclusions given even a crumb of information...not a great combination for healthy communication.

Additionally, I'm not ready to discount the possibility that Rebecca's death was a violent action directed at both Rebecca and JS. There's a lot of rage in that painted message on the door, IMO.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[freespeech]

I don't think we can discount the possibility that DS could be skeptical of JS's version of events. Is it possible she feels it could be more effective to place pressure on Rebecca's family as the facts may come to the surface more easily that way? DS was recently quoted (at Coronado City Council meeting) as requesting an additional LE interview of XZ to confirm who exactly was at the home at the time of Max's accident, so it seems to me she is at least open to the possibility that one or more people were there in addition to Rebecca and XZ.

If others were in the home and somehow involved in Max's fall, I believe it was absolutely wrong to mislead DS about what happened because she is Max's mother and deserves to know the truth. However, I can absolutely see why someone (JS, RZ and/or the children) could be tempted to conceal the truth from DS as she appears to have an explosive personality and there had been a history of physical altercations between JS and DS. I had a family member like this once (through marriage) and her husband was constantly saying "DON'T TELL LAURA!" about minor and major happenings and everything in between. It seemed like a PTSD response. Additionally, JS seems to be someone who generally withholds information, and DS seems to be someone who frequently jumps to unusual conclusions given even a crumb of information...not a great combination for healthy communication.

Additionally, I'm not ready to discount the possibility that Rebecca's death was a violent action directed at both Rebecca and JS. There's a lot of rage in that painted message on the door, IMO.

All of the above is just my opinion.

I appreciate that you provided a new perspective. I enjoying looking at a situation from all angles. Imho, that at least produces a clearer and more complete understanding of the possibilities if not facts in this case.

 

[freespeech]

What amazes me is that it appears that Dina believes Jonah's story that he was at the gym and the kids left early in the am........If I were in her shoes, I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth, directly or through a spokesperson.

I agree. It boggles my mind that Dina would trust Jonah on anything given their past relationship.

In my mind it's one thing to forgive and forget for the practical purpose of moving on and being civil for the sake of your children. Holding on to anger and resentments only hurts the person who cannot forgive and of course you want to set a positive example to teach the children doable life skills.

However, it would be quite another thing to put your trust in someone who betrayed, abandoned and abused you in the past with out seeing some real change and repentance on their part. Apparently, Dina trusted Jonah to some degree. I don't know how much though but there does seem that there was something there to me too, imho.

 

[bourne]

I don't think we can discount the possibility that DS could be skeptical of JS's version of events. Is it possible she feels it could be more effective to place pressure on Rebecca's family as the facts may come to the surface more easily that way? DS was recently quoted (at Coronado City Council meeting) as requesting an additional LE interview of XZ to confirm who exactly was at the home at the time of Max's accident, so it seems to me she is at least open to the possibility that one or more people were there in addition to Rebecca and XZ.

If others were in the home and somehow involved in Max's fall, I believe it was absolutely wrong to mislead DS about what happened because she is Max's mother and deserves to know the truth. However, I can absolutely see why someone (JS, RZ and/or the children) could be tempted to conceal the truth from DS as she appears to have an explosive personality and there had been a history of physical altercations between JS and DS. I had a family member like this once (through marriage) and her husband was constantly saying "DON'T TELL LAURA!" about minor and major happenings and everything in between. It seemed like a PTSD response. Additionally, JS seems to be someone who generally withholds information, and DS seems to be someone who frequently jumps to unusual conclusions given even a crumb of information...not a great combination for healthy communication.

Additionally, I'm not ready to discount the possibility that Rebecca's death was a violent action directed at both Rebecca and JS. There's a lot of rage in that painted message on the door, IMO.

All of the above is just my opinion.

I agree with you that the painted message was directed at both Rebecca and Jonah. "She saved him. Can you save her" sounds like it was written in irony and sarcasm by an angry person who heard someone say that Rebecca saved Max, and that this angry person then challenged this same messenger who gave her the false info about Max being saved by asking can you, the messenger, now save Rebecca?

 

[gngr~snap]

How many trips did RZ make to the airport?
I must be wrong in thinking she picked Adam
up when dropping XZ off and then returned
to get Nina???

Where can I find the timeline?

 

[freespeech]

This is speculation. I wonder if Jonah misinformed Dina about Max's condition and that set her off. It seemed that in Nina's interview there was a great deal of emphasis on Rebecca giving CPR within two minutes. I wonder if Jonah disseminated the information about the doctors being confused because they though Rebecca had give Max CPR. I would think that Jonah knew Dina's nature and characteristic reaction to trigger points, Rebecca was a huge one, imo. So I don't know how Dina could have swallowed the information that Jonah may have given out especially in regards to creating suspicion about and blaming Rebecca for the seriousness of Maxes injury without a huge reaction, imo.

 

[katydid23]

If Jonah had been there. the 13 yr old would have said so already. It would have been vital in the case of RZ's death, and imo, she would not have covered for him if he had been there.

 

[Inparadise]

How many trips did RZ make to the airport?
I must be wrong in thinking she picked Adam
up when dropping XZ off and then returned
to get Nina???

Where can I find the timeline?

Nina and her adult son (Guy Jr.) arrived on Monday evening and were picked up by Rebecca and taken to Rady (as stated by Nina in her Channel 8 interview). XZ was taken to the airport on Tuesday afternoon. Her flight departed just prior to the arrival of Adam's at @ 4:10pm, so Rebecca dropped her off (would have had to accompany her to the gate because she was an unaccompanied minor), then picked up Adam.

 

[Betty P]

How many trips did RZ make to the airport?
I must be wrong in thinking she picked Adam
up when dropping XZ off and then returned
to get Nina???

Where can I find the timeline?

Here's a link to the timeline in the reference forum

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[Betty P]

If Jonah had been there. the 13 yr old would have said so already. It would have been vital in the case of RZ's death, and imo, she would not have covered for him if he had been there.

I don't think she would, under advice from her attorney. If a story had been concocted that day, she would probably have kept such a secret. She was interviewed extensively by the police after Max's death, but we don't know if she was interviewed by them after RZ's death.

If she later went to her own attorney and offered a different account of that morning, they likely would have told her to hold onto that information until after the investigation was reopened or a new one started by the AG. If she were to provide new information to SDSO, they might make her a target of the investigation without bothering to re-investigate and review details of both deaths. A 13 yo girl doesn't have enough power to counter a multi-millionaire when it comes to an SDSO investigation. Seems too risky for her to call them up and tell them a different story unless they're fully re-opening the case.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

How many trips did RZ make to the airport?
I must be wrong in thinking she picked Adam
up when dropping XZ off and then returned
to get Nina???

Where can I find the timeline?

Timeline respectively snipped courtesy Betty P's post. Bolded by me (BBM)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148814&page=4

July 11th

Early a.m. – Max and Jonah drive Max’s two older half-siblings (Jonah’s older kids by Kimberly) to the airport for their prearranged scheduled flight to meet up with their mother in Phoenix.

Mid morning
- Jonah walks/runs to the gym for a workout.
- Dina scheduled to pick up Max from Jonah, according to Dina's recent press conference when she discussed her custody arrangement with Jonah.

about 10:00 AM - Max’s fall from the 2nd floor to the foyer happens. Rebecca was in one bathroom. Xena had gone upstairs to take a shower. Rebecca screams for Xena to call 911

10:10 AM – Xena Calls 911. Rebecca attempts CPR.
10:12 AM - Coronado PD arrive. Rebecca claims that Max whispered “Ocean” the name of the dog in the house and then became unresponsive. The documents say that first responders found Max on his back, a razor scooter resting on his right shin, a soccer ball in the foyer and Ocean sitting on the landing. A broken chandelier laid shattered near Max’s left shoulder. 10:24 AM - Rebecca calls Jonah at the gym to tell him about Max’s fall and he runs home in time to see Max being loaded into the ambulance. Jonah follows ambulance to Sharp Coronado ER
10:36 AM – Max arrives at Sharp Coronado ER. He is later transferred from Sharp Coronado ER to Rady Children’s pediatric intensive care unit.

• 
  -Police attempt to locate Dina Shacknai (Max’s mom) and eventually find her later in the afternoon
  - Xena apparently cuts herself trying to help clean up the shattered glass from the chandelier. A police officer drives Xena and Rebecca to a local urgent care to have 4 stitches in her leg.
  
  Mid- afternoon
  - at some point in the afternoon Rebecca picks up Dina’s twin sister Nina from the airport.
  - Howard Luber Jonah’s friend from PV Arizona also arrives some time on Monday
  - Ted Greenberg, owner of Camp Diggity Dog, said Zahau called the Coronado kennel last Monday, shortly after the boy’s fall, to ask that someone pick up her 14 month-old Weimaraner, Ocean. She said her child was hospitalized after an injury.
  2:00 PM – Dina arrives at Rady Hospital
  Early Evening – Jonah returns home in the “early evening hours” to shower and pack some clothes for the hospital.
  – Xena spends the night with Rebecca in Coronado.
  
  
  July 12th
  
  1:55 AM - Jonah attempts to stay at the Ronald McDonald House but it is full. He stays at a nearby hotel instead, the Homestead Inn.
  approx 5:30-6:00 AM – Jonah returns to the hospital
  approx 8:00 AM - Dina leaves the hospital. She goes back home and spends about 12 hours resting.
  8:45 AM - Ocean is picked up and taken to the kennel. According to the kennel owner Ted Greenberg.
  Mid morning & Afternoon
  - Arrangements are made for Xena to go back home. Rebecca drives her to the airport.
  - Adam Shacknai is picked up by Rebecca at the airport. He has flown in to support his brother during this tremendously horrible time.
  
  approx 6:00 PM - Adam and Rebecca pick up Jonah and Howard from the hospital.
  - They drop Howard off at the airport. Jonah, Rebecca and Adam then get some dinner.
  
  6:00 PM – 8:00 PM
  Dina returns to the hospital ** a discrepancy in the time Dina returned to the hospital. Detectives are told by Dina 8:00 PM and Jonah tells them 6:00 PM**

 

[gngr~snap]

Timeline respectively snipped courtesy Betty P's post. Bolded by me (BBM)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148814&page=4

July 11th

Early a.m. – Max and Jonah drive Max’s two older half-siblings (Jonah’s older kids by Kimberly) to the airport for their prearranged scheduled flight to meet up with their mother in Phoenix.

Mid morning
- Jonah walks/runs to the gym for a workout.
- Dina scheduled to pick up Max from Jonah, according to Dina's recent press conference when she discussed her custody arrangement with Jonah.

about 10:00 AM - Max’s fall from the 2nd floor to the foyer happens. Rebecca was in one bathroom. Xena had gone upstairs to take a shower. Rebecca screams for Xena to call 911

10:10 AM – Xena Calls 911. Rebecca attempts CPR.
10:12 AM - Coronado PD arrive. Rebecca claims that Max whispered “Ocean” the name of the dog in the house and then became unresponsive. The documents say that first responders found Max on his back, a razor scooter resting on his right shin, a soccer ball in the foyer and Ocean sitting on the landing. A broken chandelier laid shattered near Max’s left shoulder. 10:24 AM - Rebecca calls Jonah at the gym to tell him about Max’s fall and he runs home in time to see Max being loaded into the ambulance. Jonah follows ambulance to Sharp Coronado ER
10:36 AM – Max arrives at Sharp Coronado ER. He is later transferred from Sharp Coronado ER to Rady Children’s pediatric intensive care unit.

• 
  -Police attempt to locate Dina Shacknai (Max’s mom) and eventually find her later in the afternoon
  - Xena apparently cuts herself trying to help clean up the shattered glass from the chandelier. A police officer drives Xena and Rebecca to a local urgent care to have 4 stitches in her leg.
  
  Mid- afternoon
  - at some point in the afternoon Rebecca picks up Dina’s twin sister Nina from the airport.
  - Howard Luber Jonah’s friend from PV Arizona also arrives some time on Monday
  - Ted Greenberg, owner of Camp Diggity Dog, said Zahau called the Coronado kennel last Monday, shortly after the boy’s fall, to ask that someone pick up her 14 month-old Weimaraner, Ocean. She said her child was hospitalized after an injury.
  2:00 PM – Dina arrives at Rady Hospital
  Early Evening – Jonah returns home in the “early evening hours” to shower and pack some clothes for the hospital.
  – Xena spends the night with Rebecca in Coronado.
  
  
  July 12th
  
  1:55 AM - Jonah attempts to stay at the Ronald McDonald House but it is full. He stays at a nearby hotel instead, the Homestead Inn.
  approx 5:30-6:00 AM – Jonah returns to the hospital
  approx 8:00 AM - Dina leaves the hospital. She goes back home and spends about 12 hours resting.
  8:45 AM - Ocean is picked up and taken to the kennel. According to the kennel owner Ted Greenberg.
  Mid morning & Afternoon
  - Arrangements are made for Xena to go back home. Rebecca drives her to the airport.
  - Adam Shacknai is picked up by Rebecca at the airport. He has flown in to support his brother during this tremendously horrible time.
  
  approx 6:00 PM - Adam and Rebecca pick up Jonah and Howard from the hospital.
  - They drop Howard off at the airport. Jonah, Rebecca and Adam then get some dinner.
  
  6:00 PM – 8:00 PM
  Dina returns to the hospital ** a discrepancy in the time Dina returned to the hospital. Detectives are told by Dina 8:00 PM and Jonah tells them 6:00 PM**

• 
  
  Thank you! Glad I got that all cleared up! I was confused!

 

[katydid23]

I don't think she would, under advice from her attorney. If a story had been concocted that day, she would probably have kept such a secret. She was interviewed extensively by the police after Max's death, but we don't know if she was interviewed by them after RZ's death.

If she later went to her own attorney and offered a different account of that morning, they likely would have told her to hold onto that information until after the investigation was reopened or a new one started by the AG. If she were to provide new information to SDSO, they might make her a target of the investigation without bothering to re-investigate and review details of both deaths. A 13 yo girl doesn't have enough power to counter a multi-millionaire when it comes to an SDSO investigation. Seems too risky for her to call them up and tell them a different story unless they're fully re-opening the case.

JMO

I disagree and here is why. I imagine that IF she had information like this, she would see it as VITAL to the case of RZ's alleged suicide. Why would she keep info like that away from the investigators of that case, if she thought RZ might have been murdered?

There is no way she would cover for Jonah as opposed to trying to get to the bottom of RZ's death, imo. Jonah being present at Maxies death would make a huge difference in that case. And she would have no reason to keep a secret for him.

 

[Inparadise]

I disagree and here is why. I imagine that IF she had information like this, she would see it as VITAL to the case of RZ's alleged suicide. Why would she keep info like that away from the investigators of that case, if she thought RZ might have been murdered?

There is no way she would cover for Jonah as opposed to trying to get to the bottom of RZ's death, imo. Jonah being present at Maxies death would make a huge difference in that case. And she would have no reason to keep a secret for him.

Perhaps Bremner knows this, and is keeping it quiet, as she should at this point. No need to telegraph one's punches......IMO.

 

[Zinn]

I don't think she would, under advice from her attorney. If a story had been concocted that day, she would probably have kept such a secret. She was interviewed extensively by the police after Max's death, but we don't know if she was interviewed by them after RZ's death.

If she later went to her own attorney and offered a different account of that morning, they likely would have told her to hold onto that information until after the investigation was reopened or a new one started by the AG. If she were to provide new information to SDSO, they might make her a target of the investigation without bothering to re-investigate and review details of both deaths. A 13 yo girl doesn't have enough power to counter a multi-millionaire when it comes to an SDSO investigation. Seems too risky for her to call them up and tell them a different story unless they're fully re-opening the case.

JMO

Very early on, when Anne Bremner was still awaiting files from the SDSO, she stated on a news program that Max's teenage siblings were in the home at the time of the accident. I then read the quote online but it was pulled soon after. I haven't heard Bremner mention it since then. Perhaps there was a legal challenge to her assertion. On the other hand, maybe Anne misspoke or learned that she had inaccurate information. Or maybe she's been told this is the case but she has no supporting evidence. I don't know.

Just my opinion.