AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #2

[Beekarina]

It sounds from this article as though the town is typically full of kids, out having fun too. Very sad.I

"Parents perch themselves on the porch, keeping an eye on the neighborhood children as they gossip and chat with each other in Spanglish. The older kids walk hand-in-hand with the younger ones to the corner bodega, not a worry in mind."
Close-knit community left in fear as mystery surrounds disappearance of 5-year-old Dulce Maria Alavez

 

[otto]

I haven't seen the google maps of the area. is the parking lot near the buildings the brother pointed to?

Different buildings.

 

[zecats]

I haven't seen the google maps of the area. is the parking lot near the buildings the brother pointed to?

Not really. If you put the playground central, the parking lot is to the left (north) and the buildings are to the right (south).

 

[Rosiebones]

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Have any MSM sources reported that the man then got into the driver's seat and drove away? Or do the accounts stop at putting her in the back seat?

 

[Dreptate1103]

Have any MSM sources reported that the man then got into the driver's seat and drove away? Or do the accounts stop at putting her in the back seat?

As far as I read it just talks about putting her in the back seat . I could be mistaken. Just a thought .

 

[zecats]

Have any MSM sources reported that the man then got into the driver's seat and drove away? Or do the accounts stop at putting her in the back seat?

Suspect put Dulce in the back seat and then drove off with her. I was just looking and found several articles (already posted here) stating that.

Here's one:

Police Reveal Details on Possible Suspect After 5-Year-Old Girl Disappears from New Jersey Playground

" The suspect allegedly lured the young girl from the playground and into a red van with a sliding side door and tinted windows, police said, NBC Philadelphia reported.

Dulce was placed in the back seat of the vehicle by the suspect, who then drove away at around 4:20 p.m., police said."

 

[Angleterre]

Asking someone if they noticed a little girl being led away by a man is not really asking for much, IMO. I can understand not asking for help searching, but a simple question "Did you see my daughter?" is not too much to ask. IMO

But how do you know that she didn’t do that? Just because we have not been told that by LE, doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen
JMOO

 

[zecats]

But how do you know that she didn’t do that? Just because we have not been told that by LE, doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen
JMOO

I was responding to a post that stated it was hard for people sometimes to ask for help. Just asking a question is not really much of an imposition. Maybe she did, correct. If there was someone there to ask.

 

[SeattleStew]

Hmmm. I've been searching for a map of City Park that includes the restrooms. Has anyone had any luck with that? Have we identified those little buildings to the rear of the basketball courts? TIA

 

[SeattleStew]

I can't help but wonder if the abduction of Dulce happened inside the restroom with her little brother? From the video of the convenience store Dulce is attentive to him. Maybe when Mom says her little boy said his ice cream was knocked to the floor, he was referring to the restroom? It would make sense since none of the basketball players saw the abduction take place, but they had seen the kids playing.

 

[SeattleStew]

We probably don't know this, but wouldn't dropped ice cream leave some kind of imprint?

 

[Angleterre]

Check out how fast this perp grabs a child in this unrelated case..
Suspect in attempted kidnapping of 3-year-old in Brooklyn
May 9, 2018

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I agree that it can happen really quickly and in the blink of an eye... Slightly OT but we had a case in a Supermarket chain store whereby a mum was food and grocery shopping with her children. As she did so, the children were playing in the food isles
Where she shopped, and she noticed one of her girls was no longer in the isle. Fortunately, before she even went looking around for her daughter, she sent the older daughter, a teenager, to immediately run and tell security , whilst she, mum, searched the food isles.
This Supermarket chains policy was ‘immediate lockdown ‘ and all exits/entrances were closed automatically and locked.
In these few short minutes, her daughter was thankfully located, however, she was in the restrooms in the company of two Eastern European women and they had already undressed her in no time and put her in boys clothes and hacked off her long hair to short and put a hat on her!!!
Unbelievable how quickly it all happened because if the ‘lockdown ‘ hadn’t occurred so quickly and immediately, the little girl would have been walked out of the store with the women and nobody would have given a second glance !

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I keep thinking of little HT from an older case- the one where some disgusting varmint knocked her poor mother out after she dropped her older children off at school, and the Mom returned with a baby and HT. This was before the Watts and Berreth cases on here. HT was kidnapped, and thankfully, two alert men saw her in a vehicle, called the police, and she was safe.

Many folks in the HT and her mother thread believed either the mother was lying, or it was a love affair gone wrong, or the dad who did something. I got a VERY strong vibe about that being a stranger abduction in HT's case- I even thought that perhaps he was watching her poor Mom's routine, etc and then one day made his move.

I don't know why, but I get this same vibe here. I am NOT saying that this man isn't known to the family- he could be a neighbor, attendant at a Convenient store they frequent, etc. For some reason, I truly believe this was an abduction planned out by some cruel stalker- whether known or not to the family. I just can't shake this feeling.

Most of you have posted with me here for years know- I am always looking at those parents, spouses, ex boyfriends or girlfriends, step parents first and very closely. Always. This time, though, I do believe this is an outsider that has done this and that the mother is innocent and had no way of knowing this was coming. To me, she sounds like a fun and caring young Mom, taking them out for ice cream, to the playground after, while helping her little sister with her homework in the car.

I agree with you here. I have had a thought about a school employee, janitor or cafeteria worker? Someone that may cross paths with Dulce and even know that she likes to go to that park.

Police searching for 5-year-old girl who went missing Monday night in Bridgeton park

“About two dozen people were playing basketball at a court near the play area at the time the child went missing, police said. All were interviewed by police and they didn’t report seeing an abduction. Witnesses did confirm seeing the kids at the playground.”

ETA: BBM

Does anyone know if these might be kids from the high school? If so, you’d think if it was someone from their school they would recognize him.

That was my thought. An accomolice, or layers. The guy in the video looks like a laborer, BUT he's wearing a lot of clothes. He might not have to change, only remove layers and put on sneakers.

is it a bit out there? Sure. A lot about this case is not adding up. But his body language and actions in the store were odd, and I think it cannot hurt to look closer. Noema was busy paying. I'm not at all criticising her, but she never once looked back at the kids, or at the guy. There just wasn't any situational awareness there.

I can't totally ignore the possibility that perhaps he saw an opportunity? Maybe he knew the store had him on camera, so he threw on a pair of sweatpants, ditched the hat?

I gotta disagree. Many Hispanics are some of the most polite men I have ever met. They are polite like this in my experience. Giving space to the family and waiting patiently is what I see him doing. It’s also not uncommon to see them in long sleeves in heat at all.

Importantly, this man does NOT have acne.

This video was compiled from the stores CCTV. We may not be getting the whole picture of what he was doing in the store, purchase wise, because he is not who we are supposed to be focusing on. Additionally, I’m sure the LE would have looked at everyone in that store and video.

 

[MsMarple]

Those tinted windows surely obscured anyone's view of her. He had her get in the backseat. That statement implies that for whatever reason she wasn't putting up a fight and he wasn't expecting one.

Interesting food for thought; if witnesses actually saw the man put Dulce in the backseat (as opposed to the front seat) then IMO they got a pretty good view of him.

And how did they see that if the van/SUV was parked behind a building?

Different buildings.

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I believe this is correct - there's a link upthread to a video showing where the mother's car was parked by the white building and not in the actual parking lot. So how did the witnesses see him from the basketball court? All I can think of is maybe the van wasn't completely hidden by the buildings or else maybe there were other witnesses besides the basketball players.

Ugh, so many possibilities here, it's frustrating. It's pretty brazen of the guy to grab a child in sight of other people in the first place. He must have known Dulce's mother was somewhere nearby. If he knew she was in the car and not somewhere on the playground or basketball court then he had to have been watching for a bit. It gives me the creeps!

All MOO and speculation.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I agree that it can happen really quickly and in the blink of an eye... Slightly OT but we had a case in a Supermarket chain store whereby a mum was food and grocery shopping with her children. As she did so, the children were playing in the food isles
Where she shopped, and she noticed one of her girls was no longer in the isle. Fortunately, before she even went looking around for her daughter, she sent the older daughter, a teenager, to immediately run and tell security , whilst she, mum, searched the food isles.
This Supermarket chains policy was ‘immediate lockdown ‘ and all exits/entrances were closed automatically and locked.
In these few short minutes, her daughter was thankfully located, however, she was in the restrooms in the company of two Eastern European women and they had already undressed her in no time and put her in boys clothes and hacked off her long hair to short and put a hat on her!!!
Unbelievable how quickly it all happened because if the ‘lockdown ‘ hadn’t occurred so quickly and immediately, the little girl would have been walked out of the store with the women and nobody would have given a second glance !

Utterly terrifying! Honestly thought these reports were kind of modern day legends. Scares me to know they are real

 

[photographer4]

I was wondering if someone knocked her brother's ice cream to the floor as a means to distract him so Dulce could be taken away? He looks at his ice cream, freaks out about that and when he looks up, she's on her way away with someone? Or... someone knocked it to the ground and then told Dulce to follow them to get her brother a new one?

 

[cass523]

"Updates from authorities were scant over the weekend, and there was no apparent physical search underway in the park following a massive aerial and ground search on Friday.

Noema Alavez Perez, 19, said she’s closely monitoring every social media tip as authorities continue investigating her daughter’s disappearance.

“She was sweet,” Alavez Perez said in a phone call Sunday. “She was nice, caring.”

Emptiness sets in for Dulce’s family as Amber Alert search for lost 5-year-old continues

 

[zecats]

Interesting food for thought; if witnesses actually saw the man put Dulce in the backseat (as opposed to the front seat) then IMO they got a pretty good view of him.

And how did they see that if the van/SUV was parked behind a building?



I believe this is correct - there's a link upthread to a video showing where the mother's car was parked by the white building and not in the actual parking lot. So how did the witnesses see him from the basketball court? All I can think of is maybe the van wasn't completely hidden by the buildings or else maybe there were other witnesses besides the basketball players.

Ugh, so many possibilities here, it's frustrating. It's pretty brazen of the guy to grab a child in sight of other people in the first place. He must have known Dulce's mother was somewhere nearby. If he knew she was in the car and not somewhere on the playground or basketball court then he had to have been watching for a bit. It gives me the creeps!

All MOO and speculation.

You know, honestly, these two children were alone on the playground. Unless someone noticed them run from Mom's car in the parking lot, who would really know for sure the suspect was doing anything wrong. He's an adult, Dulce seemingly went compliantly, and he placed her in the back seat like he should (though a 5 year old is supposed to be in a carseat) and drove off. No one realized anything was out of the ordinary until later.

Also, he may have been parked along Burt St, closer to the trees in view of the basketball court. No one has said the van was parked directly behind the buildings. It would be visible from there. JMO

 

[HongKongPhooey]

"Updates from authorities were scant over the weekend, and there was no apparent physical search underway in the park following a massive aerial and ground search on Friday.

Noema Alavez Perez, 19, said she’s closely monitoring every social media tip as authorities continue investigating her daughter’s disappearance.

“She was sweet,” Alavez Perez said in a phone call Sunday. “She was nice, caring.”

Emptiness sets in for Dulce’s family as Amber Alert search for lost 5-year-old continues

Find it slightly odd there were no more searches in the park. Unless it's fairly straightforward to search. Anyone local help with some insight please?

 

[jjenny]

Find it slightly odd there were no more searches in the park. Unless it's fairly straightforward to search. Anyone local help with some insight please?

Sounds like they did a massive search and found nothing. So why would they continue looking, especially considering the theory is that a man in a van took her?