AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #4

[momrids6]

Where they worked also had a fire, so....

 

[Teche]

"She said the search had been incredibily difficult for the family, saying she and her parents have missed so much work that they have lost their jobs and are relying on food stamps.

Dulce María and her family live in Bridgeton, a small Latino-majority city of 25,000 surrounded by one of the most rural areas of the state. It's the seat of Cumberland County, which is the leading producer of vegetables, potatoes, melons, flowers and sod in the state.

A third of Bridgeton's residents live in poverty and nearly three in 10 lack health care insurance. It is 51% Latino, according to U.S. Census figures, but some locals believe it could be as much as 70-80% Latino."

A Desperate Plea From Mom of Missing 5-Year-Old Dulce María

If her parents did indeed lose employment, the employers should be addressed by an advocacy group to assist the grieving family.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

If the playground was under construction that leads to more questions. Who was doing construction: City rec department? Independent contractor? Both? As someone mentioned in a back post, shoes could be work boots. Van could be work van. Depending on soil composition in that area could a dirty, dusty van take on a reddish hugh?

Yes, we found an article that was posted last night that said playground was under construction but no workers were there working on the project at the time Dulce went missing.

I actually found a post with the Mayor, Albert Kelly speaking that said the basketball courts reopened on September 11th after a resurfacing project. The two companies involved in the project had posts about it as well. I’ll search for an article. Can’t find article quickly. Going to link the post since it is the Mayor speaking and posted by Bridgeton police athletic league. I’ll also report to make sure allowed. Bridgeton City PAL on Instagram: “I'm excited to share the great news both of our courts in the park have been repaved and painted!! Let's continue to do our part tti keep…”

Facebook post by the mayor himself. Albert Kelly.
Albert Kelly

And, he says the playground equipment was replaced. Albert Kelly
“Great things continue to happen in the park, we resurfaced the basketball courts and replaced our aging playground equipment. The courts will get new lining and will open today. The staff has done a great job as always. We will be adding mulch to the playground.”

Albert Kelly

 

[afitzy]

Wow some new information from the press conference mom did. Said she was sitting in the car scratching a lotto ticket and her sister was getting out her homework and she was going to go over it with her.She also said her 3 year old doesn’t speak yet and did not run back to the car.

I have to admit to being baffled by the description of what happened today as told by Mom at presser. Before, timeline was 3 yo ran back to car crying and that was the alert.

Now, timeline had sister in car saying that she couldn't see Dulce and then Mom and sister get out of car and find 3 yo crying. 3 yo doesn't speak per Mom and so when Mom asked him where Dulce was he motioned to the 2 sheds and Mom looked but didn't find Dulce or her ice cream or spoon (she had some kind of coconut ice that she had gotten at Sunoco). Mom today said it was about 10 min from when she pulled into park until they noticed Dulce was missing.

IDK what to think about the timeline anymore. Will go back and listen again and see if I can get a clearer timeline. I can understand her spanish but if any native speakers can take a listen and post about her comments in spanish, I think it might help us all in case I miss nuance as a non native speaker here.

 

[zecats]

Organized search parties planned for this weekend.

Dulce's mom stated she could see the playground but not the swings.
She was scratching a lottery ticket and her 8 year old family member was getting her homework out for needed help.

Grandmom sadly spoke in Spanish begging for Dulce to be returned.

All this info from a local news station that just now reported from the park at 6pm EDT

Channel 6 Action News, ABC

 

[MsBetsy]

I have to admit to being baffled by the description of what happened today as told by Mom at presser. Before, timeline was 3 yo ran back to car crying and that was the alert.

Now, timeline had sister in car saying that she couldn't see Dulce and then Mom and sister get out of car and find 3 yo crying. 3 yo doesn't speak per Mom and so when Mom asked him where Dulce was he motioned to the 2 sheds and Mom looked but didn't find Dulce or her ice cream or spoon (she had some kind of coconut ice that she had gotten at Sunoco). Mom today said it was about 10 min from when she pulled into park until they noticed Dulce was missing.

IDK what to think about the timeline anymore. Will go back and listen again and see if I can get a clearer timeline. I can understand her spanish but if any native speakers can take a listen and post about her comments in spanish, I think it might help us all in case I miss nuance as a non native speaker here.

I think originally she did say ten minutes and after that some sources indicated that she said three. I think it is probably closer to ten.

I also am not sure she ever said he came back to the car.
The way I understood it was that she said he came back crying, which could mean after they got out and walked to the swings he "came back" to her crying. His ice cream was on the ground and when she asked him where his sister was he pointed to the buildings in the secluded area.

So I'm assuming she disappeared within ten minutes after they had been let out of the car. Imo

 

[Trackergd]

Now that we are weeks into the investigation, I guess I can mention this, as much as I hate to. I wonder if storm drains and manholes have been checked? Hopefully LE checked dumpsters.

 

[jjenny]

Here is the original story as relayed by chief of police. Which seems to have changed quite a bit as of now.
"The mother was about 30 yards away, sitting in her vehicle with an 8-year-old relative," Gaimari said. "The 3-year-old and the 5-year-old who’s missing were playing on a swing set, which was partially blocked from her view but about 30 yards away. And then she saw the 3-year-old run back to the car. She got out of the car, and she started looking for the 5-year-old and couldn’t find the 5-year-old.""
5-year-old girl was abducted from playground, NJ police say

 

[jjenny]

Now that we are weeks into the investigation, I guess I can mention this, as much as I hate to. I wonder if storm drains and manholes have been checked? Hopefully LE checked dumpsters.

That's what I was thinking. Just read about a little kid that fell into a grease vat behind a business and died. Do they have any drains and manholes Dulce could have fallen into?

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

the license plate capture takes actual photos. they should still be able to access them 24 hours later.

Automated License Plate Readers (ALPRs)

License Plate Readers should be at the entrance of every City Park along with live Video Surveillance inside the Park.

 

[jjenny]

I have to admit to being baffled by the description of what happened today as told by Mom at presser. Before, timeline was 3 yo ran back to car crying and that was the alert.

Now, timeline had sister in car saying that she couldn't see Dulce and then Mom and sister get out of car and find 3 yo crying. 3 yo doesn't speak per Mom and so when Mom asked him where Dulce was he motioned to the 2 sheds and Mom looked but didn't find Dulce or her ice cream or spoon (she had some kind of coconut ice that she had gotten at Sunoco). Mom today said it was about 10 min from when she pulled into park until they noticed Dulce was missing.

IDK what to think about the timeline anymore. Will go back and listen again and see if I can get a clearer timeline. I can understand her spanish but if any native speakers can take a listen and post about her comments in spanish, I think it might help us all in case I miss nuance as a non native speaker here.

Here is the article describing the current version of the story. I have no clue why 2 weeks in we are getting a different description of what happened. This also suggests mother's sister was able to see where children were from the car.

"The mother said Monday she was scratching off a lottery ticket and preparing to help her sister with homework in the car when the sister said she couldn’t see the kids. They walked over to the playground and found the 3-year-old crying. Alavez Perez said that’s when she asked where Dulce was and he pointed to some buildings near the playground."
Dulce Alavez’s mom pleads for 5-year-old’s return 2 weeks after disappearance

 

[TTF14]

I know we've heard the 3 year old is non-verbal.

Has the family actually said that?

Has LE been allowed access to him at all?

 

[jjenny]

Here is the article claiming Dulce's mother indicated 3 year old told police he saw a man waving. I am really curious how non-verbal child was able to tell this to the police?

"Dulce María Alavez's little brother, the last person to see the missing girl, has told police he saw a man "waving his hand, like 'come over here,'" according to Dulce's mother."
FBI Talked with Dulce's Father in Mexico; Still No New Leads

 

[jjenny]

I know we've heard the 3 year old is non-verbal.

Has the family actually said that?

Has LE been allowed access to him at all?

Well, according to the article linked below, LE interviewed him and he was able to tell them he saw a man waving, per Dulce's mother. Really curious how non-verbal child was able to tell this to the police.
"Dulce María Alavez's little brother, the last person to see the missing girl, has told police he saw a man "waving his hand, like 'come over here,'" according to Dulce's mother."
FBI Talked with Dulce's Father in Mexico; Still No New Leads

 

[afitzy]

AMBER ALERT - NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #3

Here is link to @ottos wonderful maps of the area from prior thread.

 

[Rosiebones]

I know we've heard the 3 year old is non-verbal.

Has the family actually said that?

Has LE been allowed access to him at all?

Not having language/communication skills yet (which is not unusual for a 3yo boy) is not the same as non-verbal. He probably does not have the language skills yet to communicate what he saw.

 

[JerzeyGirl]

Mom may understand what he’s trying to say even though he’s non verbal.

 

[jjenny]

Not having language/communication skills yet (which is not unusual for a 3yo boy) is not the same as non-verbal. He probably does not have the language skills yet to communicate what he saw.

According to his mother he doesn't talk. Are we going to debate what exactly that means?

"She also shared more information about the events of the afternoon Dulce disappeared, and disclosed that her 3-year-old son "doesn't talk.""

Read More: Mom: I was scratching lottery tix when girl went missing | Mom: I was scratching lottery tix when girl went missing; don't judge us

 

[Rosiebones]

Organized search parties planned for this weekend.

Dulce's mom stated she could see the playground but not the swings.
She was scratching a lottery ticket and her 8 year old family member was getting her homework out for needed help.

Grandmom sadly spoke in Spanish begging for Dulce to be returned.

All this info from a local news station that just now reported from the park at 6pm EDT

Channel 6 Action News, ABC

Have they detailed where they are searching this weekend? I still have not seen any LE mention of searching Jeddy's Pond with divers. If the abductor took her behind the buildings and didn't put her in a van at that point, then if he walked south past the ball field into the woods he had no way to escape that didn't include crossing water or the Pond.
He would have had to go through the woods parallel to Burt Road down past the elementary school. Then where?

 

[Rosiebones]

According to his mother he doesn't talk. Are we going to debate what exactly that means?

"She also shared more information about the events of the afternoon Dulce disappeared, and disclosed that her 3-year-old son "doesn't talk.""

Read More: Mom: I was scratching lottery tix when girl went missing | Mom: I was scratching lottery tix when girl went missing; don't judge us

Some folks would take "doesn't talk" to mean he is mute. I suspect she means he doesn't have language to communicate. There is a big difference.