AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #5

[MsBetsy]

I'm so worried about breaking rules on speculation or I guess anything that I shouldn't be saying, I'd like to not get banned on here on anything (ha).

Someone is holding info. Someone local. IMO!! I'm not LE! I'm not family! I just happen to have worked in bridgeton, partied there, and have had a feel of the general atmosphere and residents. And nothing from social media can be posted? Correct? If I have an inside in LE that can't be either right?

It's very likely that someone knows something. Unless this guy is a hermit who lives alone and has no family, someone must know something.
Someone must at least notice that he is acting unusual or nervous or suspicious.

Nothing from social media can be posted but you can look into being a verified insider and ask about what you can discuss on the thread. It's always helpful to have verified insiders, so if you are interested you might want to consider it!

Imo

 

[Steelslady]

I’ll stop coming off as bossy. I’m really sorry.

Actually, that was kind and caring. I think we all got what you meant.

 

[ProtectChildren]

Thank you Punkcake for sharing info. I don't know to believe the numerous reports of luring attempts. I believe what you've shared as verified, but I've heard more too. I had not heard about that one in Elmer. There's something on FB regarding a white van, men in masks, chasing kids after school in Woodbury. I can't decide if people are just fueling the fear of Dulces disappearance and the other reports or if there's legit multiple luring attempts going on. Also it's around Halloween with people being spooky for fun. It can feel truely scary though.

Are there that many individual predators or is this an organized group?

As for Dulce, I agree with what you're thinking regarding how isolated the park is for a stranger to have done something. There are just more opportune spots IMO.
Keep sharing if you can find a way to without breaking rules. Thanks

 

[cass523]

I’ll stop coming off as bossy. I’m really sorry.

You did not come off as bossy to me. I read it as you being concerned for her safety

 

[Subiechik21]

I think you can become a "verified insider" but I have no idea how it's done and what you'd be allowed to post after that.

Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters

 

[afitzy]

The Delaware County one's have sketches on the news site. Idk how to do all that on here though

Hi, I am not sure if this was what you were referring to?

Police confirm at least 3 cases of child luring in Delaware County, Pennsylvania
Quotes from article (see above link for sketches):


Police confirm at least 3 cases of child luring in Delaware County, Pennsylvania

https://6abc.com/watch/

Police confirm at least 4 cases of child luring in Delaware County, Pennsylvania. Bob Brooks has more on Action News at 11 p.m. on September 30, 2019.

By Bob Brooks
Tuesday, October 1, 2019
UPPER DARBY TOWNSHIP, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- Police say they're looking for a suspect approximately 55 years old in the Ardmore section of Haverford Township, Pennsylvania.

Last week, he allegedly drove around in his SUV trying to abduct an 8-year-old girl after school.


Police say last Wednesday the girl left school after dismissal from Cardinal Foley Elementary. She was walking home and the suspect reportedly pulled up to the girl right at the intersection of Overbrook Terrace and West Hathaway Lane.

According to police, he asked the girl if she needed a ride. That's when she ran right to a neighbor's house for help. The suspect then drove off.

• Brazen suspects target YMCA patrons in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania

Lisa Hermanovich lives right at the corner of the intersection.

She says since the luring incident, she's been much more cautious.

Hermanovich said, "My kids are grade school age 3rd and 5th grade. We changed up the afternoon routine today. Rather than come home I had them stay at school for practice. Just extra careful."


But unfortunately, it's not just there.

Police confirm two more recent cases of men approaching or trying to lure children in Delaware County.

Upper Darby police say two different incidents happened in the area of Township Line and Burmont Roads.

Police say the suspect wanted for the case in Ardmore was driving a light-colored, possibly white Lexus SUV.


Neighbor Stephanie Lint said, "It definitely rattles you. You don't want that to happen. We have two little kids."

• Police: Children walking home from Upper Darby schools confronted by men in cars

In Upper Darby, one suspect was in a black sedan, the other was in a dark van with white pin stripes.

Anyone with any information is asked to call police immediately.

 

[afitzy]

I'm so worried about breaking rules on speculation or I guess anything that I shouldn't be saying, I'd like to not get banned on here on anything (ha).

Someone is holding info. Someone local. IMO!! I'm not LE! I'm not family! I just happen to have worked in bridgeton, partied there, and have had a feel of the general atmosphere and residents. And nothing from social media can be posted? Correct? If I have an inside in LE that can't be either right?

Yes, agree with you that the only way this case is solved is if someone local that knows something speaks up.

LE has had a lot of time to sift through witness statements and track back CCTV but they don't appear able to find Dulce.

Unfortunately nothing you have found out locally that is speculation can be posted here. But if in the course of your travels you have an insight about any aspect of the case please do submit the tip to LE as they look to need all the help they can get here! You never know what info or insight might help!

Thanks for your eyewitness accounts of the area and the park. Its so helpful to trying to understand how this abduction happened.

Did you get the sense that Dulce could have made it into the woods by herself? The way you described the thickness of the brush and density of the woods made it seem unlikely that a 5 yo could make it through, but I wanted to make sure.

The statement about the dogs tracking Dulce scent for a long period of time was interesting and I wish we had more info about where exactly the dogs were taken.

 

[Kuyluc2764]

Well, we actually do. Per the DA, the witness to the red van story is a child of tender years, so authorities are not "married" to this story. If there were additional adult witnesses, I am sure that story would have been considered much more credible. So one witness, a child of tender years, claim to have seen her being lured into a red van, and that's it.

There were actually more witnesses. A youtube video was just shared within the last 2 pages. There are articles that have already been shared that also state this.

 

[Kuyluc2764]

So I am an early bird today because I have to get ready for my daughters baby shower. I sneeked a peek at google and there hasn't been any updates since the reward went up. I hate when cases slow down, I always get so scared the case is going to go cold. I am always hoping for a little update at least. Anyways, just babbling here while I have a minute.

It would be awesome to have a VI in here! I really hope you are able to be one pancake! It would definitely help us to piece some things together.

Thinking about you Dulce Maria. I really hope you are ok.

 

[CANADIANCRIMESLEUTH]

The Coconut ice cream Dulce was eating... is that popular? I’m in Canada and it’s not a recognizable treat here. I ask as; I’d be wanting to search landfills / garbage cans for that packaging and anything else connected to it. Garbage generally gets thrown out.

 

[O'Really]

The Coconut ice cream Dulce was eating... is that popular? I’m in Canada and it’s not a recognizable treat here. I ask as; I’d be wanting to search landfills / garbage cans for that packaging and anything else connected to it. Garbage generally gets thrown out.

These are the first thing I thought of, not certain it's exactly what Dulce chose as a snack that day, but they're pretty popular

8 Oz Cups | Philadelphia Water Ice Factory | (215) 533-0400

 

[jjenny]

There were actually more witnesses. A youtube video was just shared within the last 2 pages. There are articles that have already been shared that also state this.

DA has said very clearly the source of the red van story is a child of tender years and they are therefore not "married" to the story. Therefore I don't believe any additional witnesses claim to have seen a red van.

 

[OldCop]

There has been a lot of speculation that because the park and play area is more or less isolated then it is less likely that this is a stranger abduction and more likely someone who is known to Dulce and/or her family. It should be noted that a “stranger” doesn’t necessarily mean a non local, it means someone not known to the family or victim. If I was planning some nefarious act, I would try to pick a place that was more isolated and where I could lay in wait, (behind the buildings?), with fewer witnesses. MOO

 

[Beekarina]

Here's the thing, though. We never know who has been through an area before. I've personally been on half a dozen extended cross country road trips in the past. I really like to travel, and when I traveled with family, we actually did seek out, and stop, at totally random parks and p laygrounds. We got way off the beaten path. It was part of the fun.

There have been websites and apps around for a long time that tell you how to find playgrounds. Obviously designed for families, but anyone could use them.

I think it's very valuable to have local insight, but keep in mind that plenty of murders have been committed by those who are on the road for work, or who simply wander, unfortunately.

 

[OldCop]

I keep going back to the park area where the abduction took place. We know there were no other children seen at the playground around the time Dulce disappeared. We also know that there were about two dozen basketball players on the courts adjacent to the playground. Where did they park? Were they in the same lot as Dulce’s mom or on Babe Ruth? Was this a league or a pickup game? To me it is not surprising that the players didn’t pay attention to any children who were at the playground. They would have been focused on the game.
There were also at least 2 adult witnesses and a child witness who were seen on the video a couple of threads back who were walking the scene with the police. Were they driving by or parked? If they were parked watching the basketball game it may be that the young child got bored watching the game. Children zero in on children. It may be why he noticed Dulce and her brother and what may have happened. His age would be a determining factor on how accurately he could describe what he saw. Also, the child’s family may have been reluctant to have him come forward and be in the spotlight of a high profile case.
There are plenty of ways to exit the immediate area. Unfortunately, I can see how it was possible for this person to make off with little Dulce while drawing no attention to himself especially if he was luring her behind those buildings. It only takes a moment.....

 

[OldCop]

Here's the thing, though. We never know who has been through an area before. I've personally been on half a dozen extended cross country road trips in the past. I really like to travel, and when I traveled with family, we actually did seek out, and stop, at totally random parks and p laygrounds. We got way off the beaten path. It was part of the fun.

There have been websites and apps around for a long time that tell you how to find playgrounds. Obviously designed for families, but anyone could use them.

I think it's very valuable to have local insight, but keep in mind that plenty of murders have been committed by those who are on the road for work, or who simply wander, unfortunately.

I agree completely. I was trying to point out to those that assumed that Dulce must have been abducted by someone who knows her that a stranger abduction means a stranger to the victim, not a stranger to the area.

 

[Beekarina]

It's frustrating not to have clarity as to who witnessed Dulce leaving the playground. I've personally read different accounts online, but will not say more, as the last time I mentioned an interview with Noema it was deleted.

My personal feeling is there may be something going on in the region. Those other luring incidents are only 20 minutes away to an hour away, and continue to crop up? Pretty brazen.

 

[MsBetsy]

Here's the thing, though. We never know who has been through an area before. I've personally been on half a dozen extended cross country road trips in the past. I really like to travel, and when I traveled with family, we actually did seek out, and stop, at totally random parks and p laygrounds. We got way off the beaten path. It was part of the fun.

There have been websites and apps around for a long time that tell you how to find playgrounds. Obviously designed for families, but anyone could use them.

I think it's very valuable to have local insight, but keep in mind that plenty of murders have been committed by those who are on the road for work, or who simply wander, unfortunately.

Yes, I would think a perp could easily find a playground in any town. He could be local or from somewhere nearby, or just someone passing through who is familiar with the area.
But I would think he would have to be somewhat familiar to escape unnoticed and avoid security cameras.
The vehicle may still be on camera, and LE just hasn't connected it to the crime yet.

In Mollie Tibbett's case it was a residence security camera that captured the vehicle and it was a couple of months before they realized it and tracked him down. It was a unique mark on the car that led them to the killer. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I keep going back to the park area where the abduction took place. We know there were no other children seen at the playground around the time Dulce disappeared. We also know that there were about two dozen basketball players on the courts adjacent to the playground. Where did they park? Were they in the same lot as Dulce’s mom or on Babe Ruth? Was this a league or a pickup game? To me it is not surprising that the players didn’t pay attention to any children who were at the playground. They would have been focused on the game.
There were also at least 2 adult witnesses and a child witness who were seen on the video a couple of threads back who were walking the scene with the police. Were they driving by or parked? If they were parked watching the basketball game it may be that the young child got bored watching the game. Children zero in on children. It may be why he noticed Dulce and her brother and what may have happened. His age would be a determining factor on how accurately he could describe what he saw. Also, the child’s family may have been reluctant to have him come forward and be in the spotlight of a high profile case.
There are plenty of ways to exit the immediate area. Unfortunately, I can see how it was possible for this person to make off with little Dulce while drawing no attention to himself especially if he was luring her behind those buildings. It only takes a moment.....

Yes, the two adults and the young boy did not come forward until the following Saturday, after the description had been given but it is possible the young boy may have seen something.

We don't know what information any of them provided.

And I can also understand how the witnesses playing or watching the game would not have noticed anything. We don't know if it was a league or just a group of people from the community. There may have been teenagers there since it was right after school.

Whatever information was obtained from the interviews it seems as if it didn't amount to any significant leads.
LE seems to be relying on help from the community.

Nobody seems to know anything.

Somebody out there must know something, though.

Imo

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

In google earth search Bridgeton City Park Basketball Court and you can see up close views of the the parking lot the Mother parked in, the basketball court, the two buildings and the road behind the two buildings.