AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #5

[Trackergd]

With the upcoming search this weekend, it would be incumbent on the local clergy to go along with the search teams to assure local population that they can come to them with information and to assure them that ICE is not going to haul them away for helping.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Poor lil Dulce Where are you, sweet heart???

 

[Kuyluc2764]

We are in an electronic age. I would be surprised if someone's reasoning for not calling something in is because they don't have a phone. Elderly people, ok, but even a big group of elderly people have cell phones and if not a cell phone, a computer. There is also a website that tips can be submitted.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

With the upcoming search this weekend, it would be incumbent on the local clergy to go along with the search teams to assure local population that they can come to them with information and to assure them that ICE is not going to haul them away for helping.

If someone from the community is fearful because of ICE, can they just go directly to the clergy & give them the tip? The clergy in turn can relay that to LE? I feel so badly for Dulce & her family because I think the obstacles (immigration, language barrier) are hindering everything. It’s so very sad & frustrating MOO

 

[TristanP]

If someone from the community is fearful because of ICE, can they just go directly to the clergy & give them the tip? The clergy in turn can relay that to LE? I feel so badly for Dulce & her family because I think the obstacles (immigration, language barrier) are hindering everything. It’s so very sad & frustrating MOO

I think a complete lack of evidence is what’s really hindering the case. Dulce’s mom wasn’t paying any attention at all, and she had done the same thing in the past in that park so in her mind they the kids would be fine playing where they were. So she saw nothing. I’m not at all saying she is to blame but it’s a fact that she saw nothing.

The red vehicle has been investigated and has no connection. The people playing basketball...well, I think they tried their best but really had nothing helpful to contribute. They were focused on their game, and unless Dulce was carried away making a big fuss, there’s no reason they would have noticed anything unusual. Seeing someone walking away from a playground with a child, or even running away, wouldn’t make me think twice. If they were running, I would assume the adult was playing a game with the child, so even if the kid was making noise I wouldn’t automatically assume something bad was happening.

If there are people who know something, they would have found a way to get that info to cops by now if they felt the obligation to do so. There’s either no one who knows anything or no one who is going to tell no matter what, so LE really has nothing to go on.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I think a complete lack of evidence is what’s really hindering the case. Dulce’s mom wasn’t paying any attention at all, and she had done the same thing in the past in that park so in her mind they the kids would be fine playing where they were. So she saw nothing. I’m not at all saying she is to blame but it’s a fact that she saw nothing.

The red vehicle has been investigated and has no connection. The people playing basketball...well, I think they tried their best but really had nothing helpful to contribute. They were focused on their game, and unless Dulce was carried away making a big fuss, there’s no reason they would have noticed anything unusual. Seeing someone walking away from a playground with a child, or even running away, wouldn’t make me think twice. If they were running, I would assume the adult was playing a game with the child, so even if the kid was making noise I wouldn’t automatically assume something bad was happening.

If there are people who know something, they would have found a way to get that info to cops by now if they felt the obligation to do so. There’s either no one who knows anything or no one who is going to tell no matter what, so LE really has nothing to go on.

This is just an awful situation, the whole way around
What I’d like to know, is it possible the person that took Dulce had been sitting in a car or somewhere, watching & waiting? Because I can’t understand why did this person pick Dulce? Was he there observing & realized Dulce’s mom was still sitting in her car, so he knew Dulce would be easier to grab? MOO

 

[Kuyluc2764]

This is just an awful situation, the whole way around
What I’d like to know, is it possible the person that took Dulce had been sitting in a car or somewhere, watching & waiting? Because I can’t understand why did this person pick Dulce? Was he there observing & realized Dulce’s mom was still sitting in her car, so he knew Dulce would be easier to grab? MOO

IMO, I think this person had been at the park before and perhaps even talked to Dulce. Maybe he was there with his children so Dulce thought he was safe? I know that in the 911 call and also the witness described the hispanic male being with 2 children. Wouldn't be the 1st time that happened. Wasn't one of the girls that Ariel Castro kidnapped friends with his daughter?

I just keep wondering why Dulce wouldn't have screamed or tried to run or at the very least run to someone who was close to them and tell them a bad person was bothering them. It really makes me wonder if she knew the person, even if only a little.

 

[WildOrchid]

This case, sadly, reminds me of a case where an adult woman went missing in Illinois. For months and months, family searched everywhere she may have walked or driven the night she went missing. Law enforcement did what many thought seemed to be the minimum. Accusations were hurled at the last people she was known to be seen with. They ended up finding her when they brought in a team in a boat with an underwater camera. She was found under a dock, had been there for months and it was apparently a horrible accident. If no one knows where Dulce is and every POI is actually innocent, I really hope all areas where she may have disappeared by herself have been exhaustively checked.

 

[Steelslady]

She asked her brother to bring his dog to find Dulce?! I find that very...odd. Very. And concerning.
Amateur opinion and speculation.

Yes. It was mentioned in I believe the second interview that the mother did, giving more details about that day, and some of the facts that were given in that interview were changed from the first interview- such as, it was said Dulce's brother told them about what happened and that someone knocked his ice cream out of his hand- it turns out Dulce's little brother is non-verbal and couldn't talk about what had happened.

That interview, she explained that she was scratching lottery tickets while her sister took out her homework, whereas the first interview said she was helping her sister with her homework.

Then it discussed when she called 911, after searching the park, talked to a few people, then called her brother and asked him to bring his dog to help search for Dulce- she mentioned that her brother used to go with them with the dog to the park, but that park goers complained that the dog intimidated them.

 

[Steelslady]

And that would assume that the witness has the means to afford a cell phone to send in the text.

Well, there's always a stamp and an envelope! I understand what you mean, though. Not everyone can afford a cell phone.

 

[Steelslady]

We are in an electronic age. I would be surprised if someone's reasoning for not calling something in is because they don't have a phone. Elderly people, ok, but even a big group of elderly people have cell phones and if not a cell phone, a computer. There is also a website that tips can be submitted.

I know, but I think they might fear that their phones or their loved ones/friends phones could be tracked back to them.

That's why I say, snail mail. Anonymous. It won't bring in any award money, but it could help a little girl be found who's been missing for over a month now.

 

[JerzeyGirl]

She asked her brother to bring his dog to find Dulce?! I find that very...odd. Very. And concerning.
Amateur opinion and speculation.

It’s ignorance. I have family that does dumb stuff like this with their dogs.

 

[MissMalowe]

Does anyone have an idea of stats (either through research by others that have been done already or just based on their knowledge/memory of following cases here on WS) where kids taken by strangers from public parks usually end up? Where do they usually take the child afterwards? Where do they usually dispose of them? In short, is it likely that she's even in that park based on past stranger abductions? Near abductors property? Random farmland? Abandoned property? Landfill? Forest? Dumped in large body of water? Within the same town/county she was taken from? Different county?

 

[JerzeyGirl]

She asked her brother to bring his dog to find Dulce?! I find that very...odd. Very. And concerning.
Amateur opinion and speculation.

It’s ignorance. I have family that does dumb stuff like this with their dogs.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yes. It was mentioned in I believe the second interview that the mother did, giving more details about that day, and some of the facts that were given in that interview were changed from the first interview- such as, it was said Dulce's brother told them about what happened and that someone knocked his ice cream out of his hand- it turns out Dulce's little brother is non-verbal and couldn't talk about what had happened.

That interview, she explained that she was scratching lottery tickets while her sister took out her homework, whereas the first interview said she was helping her sister with her homework.

Then it discussed when she called 911, after searching the park, talked to a few people, then called her brother and asked him to bring his dog to help search for Dulce- she mentioned that her brother used to go with them with the dog to the park, but that park goers complained that the dog intimidated them.

This case requires me to breath slowly through a brown paper bag!
It’s a hot mess!

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Steelslady]

It’s ignorance. I have family that does dumb stuff like this with their dogs.

Are you saying that kids disappear without a trace in your family and that they bring in their dogs to search for them first, before calling LE for help? I don't think you mean it that way.

 

[Trackergd]

Does anyone have an idea of stats (either through research by others that have been done already or just based on their knowledge/memory of following cases here on WS) where kids taken by strangers from public parks usually end up? Where do they usually take the child afterwards? Where do they usually dispose of them? In short, is it likely that she's even in that park based on past stranger abductions? Near abductors property? Random farmland? Abandoned property? Landfill? Forest? Dumped in large body of water? Within the same town/county she was taken from? Different county?

It is all over the place and involving every scenario you listed. Ohio State did a good study on this if you want to Google it.

 

[LadyL]

She asked her brother to bring his dog to find Dulce?! I find that very...odd. Very. And concerning.
Amateur opinion and speculation.

why there have been several cases where a dog found missing children

 

[MsBetsy]

I think a complete lack of evidence is what’s really hindering the case. Dulce’s mom wasn’t paying any attention at all, and she had done the same thing in the past in that park so in her mind they the kids would be fine playing where they were. So she saw nothing. I’m not at all saying she is to blame but it’s a fact that she saw nothing.

The red vehicle has been investigated and has no connection. The people playing basketball...well, I think they tried their best but really had nothing helpful to contribute. They were focused on their game, and unless Dulce was carried away making a big fuss, there’s no reason they would have noticed anything unusual. Seeing someone walking away from a playground with a child, or even running away, wouldn’t make me think twice. If they were running, I would assume the adult was playing a game with the child, so even if the kid was making noise I wouldn’t automatically assume something bad was happening.

If there are people who know something, they would have found a way to get that info to cops by now if they felt the obligation to do so. There’s either no one who knows anything or no one who is going to tell no matter what, so LE really has nothing to go on.

Yes, I think the problem is that nobody saw her being abducted, except maybe the three year old child, who may have trouble communicating.
But they have not ruled out the red van, they just said the information came from a very young child so they are not committed to it. I think they are still investigating vehicles. The only one that has been ruled out was the SUV which was one of the first vehicles they had on tape from a neighbor's camera.
In the last update they said they were still looking at about 500 vehicles. They may not have a clear image of it, or they just may not have found it yet.

I wish we would hear something about the man in the sketch. Someone got close enough to provide enough details about him but as far as we know he has not come forward yet.

Imo

 

[JerzeyGirl]

Are you saying that kids disappear without a trace in your family and that they bring in their dogs to search for them first, before calling LE for help? I don't think you mean it that way.

No of course not. I meant they believe their dogs are specially trained bloodhounds. When they are just regular mutts.

There are some people in my family who use their pets as babysitters. If the dog is outside with said child then there's nothing that will happen to the child.