AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #6

[Moonracer]

Just seems weird that she would run to a total stranger. The scenario presented on Dr. Phil is that somebody waved to the children and she run toward that person. Which would suggest that maybe she knew the man?

IF the stranger had a little dog, pretty doll or toy, candy - and gestures, smiling...I think a five year old, "trained" about stranger-danger or not, might run over to them...maybe...

 

[Wowno17]

I'm thinking back on the Dr. Phil interview. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I don't remember any suspicious body language. Her arms looked relaxed, shoulders relaxed.

Opinions?

I feel her body language was relaxed just normal nerves of being interviewed. I just don't get the impression she is lying

 

[CSIDreamer]

I feel her body language was relaxed just normal nerves of being interviewed. I just don't get the impression she is lying

I don't either. I reviewed some today. It's good to know we're on the same page.

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

Was Dulce attending school?

On Dr Phil show, Dr.Phil asked Noema we're she was before going to the curb store to get ice cream. Noema answered she was at home waiting on the bus to drop off her sister and Dulce, as they road the same bus. When girls were dropped off, they went to get ice cream and then to the park

 

[tacosandkayaking]

I don't either. I reviewed some today. It's good to know we're on the same page.

I don’t either

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Where is Dulce???
Any new searches going on??
This is so frustrating....

 

[borndem]

There were reports that it was the 3 year old who said that someone had “waved” to Dulce asking her to come to them.

Was it someone familiar is hard to tell. Who would have known that she was planning on taking the kids at the park at that time.

I also feel the Dr. Phil show many not have been helpful in this case. Outside of here, the consensus pretty much is, let’s not look for Dulce because her mom knows what happened to her or knows where she is.

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[borndem]

IF the stranger had a little dog, pretty doll or toy, candy - and gestures, smiling...I think a five year old, "trained" about stranger-danger or not, might run over to them...maybe...

Sadly, I agree. She had had a treat to eat, they were at the park, the day was nice, she was having fun, she had probably already seen lots of smiles that day. Within that small world, she had no reason to be afraid of anything. It might have been that easy for something evil to happen.
These type cases tear me to pieces. She was just a happy little girl.

 

[Trackergd]

Personally, if this was day one SAR on scene and I learned that we had a witness indicating that that an actor had waved the missing subject over, I would have requested an immediate interview with the witness (and their guardian/parent if a minor). It would be important on how I would deploy search teams and what type of search teams (trackers, hasty search, grid search, K9) This bit of information really bugs me. If we could confirm that the subject waved Dulce over, it would be pivotal for the WS investigation of this case. The body language of Dulce and the Actor would be critical. Did she run excitedly to the actor? Did the actor call her name? Did the actor have an enticement article (puppy, stuffed animal, candy, etc.) Did the actor welcome her with open arms? Was the actor one of the two individuals witnesses reported, or was it someone else? Sheesh....I darn sure hope LE has a better picture of events than we do...

 

[rosesfromangels]

Personally, if this was day one SAR on scene and I learned that we had a witness indicating that that an actor had waved the missing subject over, I would have requested an immediate interview with the witness (and their guardian/parent if a minor). It would be important on how I would deploy search teams and what type of search teams (trackers, hasty search, grid search, K9) This bit of information really bugs me. If we could confirm that the subject waved Dulce over, it would be pivotal for the WS investigation of this case. The body language of Dulce and the Actor would be critical. Did she run excitedly to the actor? Did the actor call her name? Did the actor have an enticement article (puppy, stuffed animal, candy, etc.) Did the actor welcome her with open arms? Was the actor one of the two individuals witnesses reported, or was it someone else? Sheesh....I darn sure hope LE has a better picture of events than we do...

Yes!
The statement that the little brother is “non verbal”, and therefor can not provide info has bothered me.

In a recent news clip, he can be seen (seemingly) asking his mother for something in her pocket. While this may a series of sounds vs. words, I think a specialist could have gotten more out of him. Perhaps still not too late.

the coincidence of the witness being nonverbal is not lost on me.

not adding up.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Yes!
The statement that the little brother is “non verbal”, and therefor can not provide info has bothered me.

In a recent news clip, he can be seen (seemingly) asking his mother for something in her pocket. While this may a series of sounds vs. words, I think a specialist could have gotten more out of him. Perhaps still not too late.

the coincidence of the witness being nonverbal is not lost on me.

not adding up.

amateur opinion and speculation

Nonverbal doesn’t mean he can’t communicate with family members.
He was able to tell his mother that there was a man behind the building waving for them to come over.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

What I got from Noema's interview on DP was that she asked Dulce's brother where Dulce was, he pointed to the storage buildings, and he made the come-here- gesture to indicate he had seen someone do that, but it seems he can't really express himself well verbally yet. 1 or 2- word- phrases is going to be my guess. MOO.

 

[Stunned]

And still nothing!

 

[Stunned]

I have a suggestion I would like to mention for consideration. The Nanticoke Lennies-Lenape have their headquarters in Bridgeport. I think it would be wonderful if they would be willing to hold a ceremony in the park where Dulce went missing, and then conduct a spirit led search for the child.
I happen to be a big believer, and hey....even if you don't believe -it can't hurt.
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Amateur opinion and speculation

No it certainly can’t!

 

[rosesfromangels]

IDK....I'm really struggling with subscribing to the current version of events.

While not impossible, the window of opportunity was very small, and the risk of detection high.

Then, we have a non-verbal child who somehow communicates a man beckoned Dulce away, then we have a report of a black man, then a hispanic man with a red van.

And, all of this happens while Mom is in the car helping her sister do homework, that turns out to be scratching lotto tix.

Nope, can't believe this rendition of events. I have no idea what happened to this beautiful little girl, but I don't think the current portrayal is accurate.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[borndem]

IDK....I'm really struggling with subscribing to the current version of events.

While not impossible, the window of opportunity was very small, and the risk of detection high.

Then, we have a non-verbal child who somehow communicates a man beckoned Dulce away, then we have a report of a black man, then a hispanic man with a red van.

And, all of this happens while Mom is in the car helping her sister do homework, that turns out to be scratching lotto tix.

Nope, can't believe this rendition of events. I have no idea what happened to this beautiful little girl, but I don't think the current portrayal is accurate.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Yeah, roses, we've gotta put it on the list.
Was there no one there who saw or heard something? Anything? No one? SMH. What happened to her?

It could be that mom and the kids did this on a fairly regular basis, and mom was comfortable enuff to not be as vigilant as she should have been. And then, poof, gone. The worst. And if this is what happened, I'm afraid that little Dulce is truly gone. In the bad way, gone. It's been too long, and we all know the odds on a kidnapped young child's survival after the first 24 hours. But we always have hope, and we have seen some happy endings.
Still hoping for her discovery, survival, and a smile.

 

[cass523]

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[katydid23]

Nice catch casesensitive! So this begs the following questions and observations:

• Why would young girls (or adult males) nearby not hear her scream if she were being chased and/or abducted?
• If she was running, she would have had a chance to scream before a hand was placed over her mouth. Heck, a little girls scream is ear splitting...
• Why would she willingly go with a stranger if she had been taught not to? Hmmm...that is worth digging into.
• If you were a young girl and witnessed what you "assumed" to be an abduction of another girl or a girl being chased by and adult that did not appear to be her parent, would you not run to your parents for protection? Something seems more than odd here. If you were an adult male playing basketball and saw this, why would you not attempt to protect the child? I've seen some of the worst society has to offer rush in to protect a child in danger, if for no other reason than attention and a free meal.

What does not fit? What (NOT including the family) does not make sense?

In the original story, of Dulce 'running' with the man, it was that she was running and playing and the man was with 2 of his kids. So it may have seemed like they were all just playing tag or chase, and no one would have thought she was in danger?

The same with the story of the red van with sliding doors---that maybe it just looked like he was putting his own kid in a car?

 

[Moonracer]

The thing of it is, IMO, does LE understand the need to get the 8-year-old's story as to the sequence of events that afternoon? YES I know they spoke to her before. Maybe more is needed. At 8, a child can be a good witness, within limits, of course. What did the sister see? SHE is the one who noticed they couldn't see Dulce and the baby brother, better than Noema! She noticed they weren't in sight! I wonder if LE is missing a major resource here. I hope they will interview her again, ask about the other times she and N went to the park and the kids weren't watched appropriately. What did she see those times? Did she notice anyone staring at Dulce?

Who fessed up as to Lottery tickets vs homework helping? Does the 8 year old feel she can speak truthfully, I wonder?

I also wonder why dumpsters/garbage pickups in the town weren't held and examined that first week.

All this just my thoughts.

 

[squareandrabbet]

"Dulce’s case is open and remains very active. We all want answers, but making public demands of law enforcement for details they cannot provide accomplishes nothing and may actually be counter-productive to the investigation."

At first, I didn't understand this. I thought that putting public pressure on LE is a good thing coming from folks who are not directly tied to this case.

I would guess what LE means by "counterproductive", is that the more time they're spending appeasing members of the public about the search for Dulce; the less time they're actually able to spend searching for Dulce.