GUILTY NJ - Four dead in New Year's shooting, Long Branch, 31 Dec 2017 *Arrest*

[white rabbit]

agree to disagree pls.

we have no idea if grandpa brought the gun to the house or in what capacity it was stored. maybe one of the victims (or survivors) whipped it out to show off. or maybe it was always just lyin' around because they figured the shooter lacked the motor skills to operate said weapon. almost like an appliance.

or maybe a family member actually put it in his hands. OR it WAS locked up tight and the shooter isn't as disabled as everyone thought. had a psychotic episode and knew how to lock and load quite well...we don't know at this time who was responsible for safekeeping, all we know is who pulled the trigger.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

These last two shootings by teenagers have gotten me worried all over again for two friends of mine whose son has meltdowns multiple times a year. Sometimes the police are called and sometimes he ends up in a hospital for a day or two. The rest of the year he is a normal teenager and can be so sweet. But when he has a meltdown, he gets violent towards them. I also wonder what will become of him as an adult.

I have tried to convince them to do whatever they have to do to get him into a residential program, but they keep thinking they can address it with individual and family therapy. It just scares me.

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[animlzrule]

These last two shootings by teenagers have gotten me worried all over again for two friends of mine whose son has meltdowns multiple times a year. Sometimes the police are called and sometimes he ends up in a hospital for a day or two. The rest of the year he is a normal teenager and can be so sweet. But when he has a meltdown, he gets violent towards them. I also wonder what will become of him as an adult.

I have tried to convince them to do whatever they have to do to get him into a residential program, but they keep thinking they can address it with individual and family therapy. It just scares me.

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I hope for their sake that they don't own guns?

 

[TeaTime]

I will never understand having an unsecured gun in a house where children or mentally disturbed/challenged people live. FGS people! Unload them, lock them in a closet and hide the key. It isn't that tough!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I hope for their sake that they don't own guns?

They do not, thank God.

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[Kaley Smith]

Why was there a gun in the house? Or right. It's the USA. They had a gun to protect the family.

 

[Gardenista]

Why was there a gun in the house? Or right. It's the USA. They had a gun to protect the family.

Canada has plenty of it's own issues that are nothing to brag about.

 

[Tricia]

Please do not bring the gun control debate in this thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Tricia

 

[Elley Mae]

An older brother of the New Jersey teen who allegedly gunned down his parents and sister on New Year’s Eve penned a touching tribute to his slain family members on social media, urging others “to give the ones you love an extra kiss or I love you.”


https://nypost.com/2018/01/01/brother-of-teen-who-slaughtered-family-pens-tribute-to-parents-sister/

 

[LietKynes]

These last two shootings by teenagers have gotten me worried all over again for two friends of mine whose son has meltdowns multiple times a year. Sometimes the police are called and sometimes he ends up in a hospital for a day or two. The rest of the year he is a normal teenager and can be so sweet. But when he has a meltdown, he gets violent towards them. I also wonder what will become of him as an adult.

I have tried to convince them to do whatever they have to do to get him into a residential program, but they keep thinking they can address it with individual and family therapy. It just scares me.

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SABBM

Agreed.

It's worrisome that due to his autism diagnosis that he could possibly receive therapy ... and be out free by the time he's 21 ?
What if his problems are controlled with meds-- but then he refuses to take them ?
And what -- if any-- medication was he on ? Possible that such meds exacerbated his condition ?

I'm guessing that the victims didn't see this coming.
As in, he had good days and bad days, but nothing that would show he could get out of control.
:moo:

 

[Jennifer17]

SABBM

Agreed.

It's worrisome that due to his autism diagnosis that he could possibly receive therapy ... and be out free by the time he's 21 ?
What if his problems are controlled with meds-- but then he refuses to take them ?
And what -- if any-- medication was he on ? Possible that such meds exacerbated his condition ?

I'm guessing that the victims didn't see this coming.
As in, he had good days and bad days, but nothing that would show he could get out of control.
:moo:

Wouldn't they have to have a competency hearing? It has been said he was a functioning autistic. Unless he was non verbal and incapable of knowing the result of shooting a gun at people, I don't think that he would be deemed incompetent to stand trial. Most autistic people are not violent.

 

[white rabbit]

agree to disagree, jennifer17. autism rears it's ugly head during puberty/teenage years. 26 years learning how to teach the unteachable in a private school for those that are classified has taught me this.

as said by tricia, this is not a gun issue but i would like to know (echoed in my previous posts) how anyone in this family, whether the shooter was "disabled", "challenged", "autistic", "special" had any access whatsoever to a firearm. and this is NOT a gun debate. it's a parental debate, for me...

 

[Jennifer17]

agree to disagree, jennifer17. autism rears it's ugly head during puberty/teenage years. 26 years learning how to teach the unteachable in a private school for those that are classified has taught me this.

as said by tricia, this is not a gun issue but i would like to know (echoed in my previous posts) how anyone in this family, whether the shooter was "disabled", "challenged", "autistic", "special" had any access whatsoever to a firearm. and this is NOT a gun debate. it's a parental debate, for me...

Then you should know that it depends where on the spectrum this boy comes. They are certainly not all or even most, unteachable. My granddaughter who comes under the spectrum starts university this year on an academic scholarship.

 

[white rabbit]

exactly. none of us know where on the spectrum he was, but for a 16 year old who shoots most of his family dead, was certainly not on the same track as your granddaughter.

agree to disagree. someone in this family knew he had a short fuse. for now i blame the shooter. when more information comes out, i'll blame the shooter plus the family member who ignored obvious signs.

 

[beandawgs]

Someone probably did -- last night. Semi-automatic assault rifle -- it certainly was used for that purpose. SMH.

16 years old - OMG why?

I'm the parent of a "high functioning" autistic child - there's no rhyme or reason but when these kids get upset, they get VERY upset. I can't begin to tell you some of the tantrums I have lived through. My son is not intellectually disabled, but developmentally disabled. Its hard to understand that he can learn Chinese, straight As in school but no social skills. They just don't live in the same world as you and I. I would never, ever, ever allow him to have access to any weapon, ever. Didn't people learn this from Sandy Hook? Don't let kids with Autism or mental illness have a gun. Come on people.

 

[beandawgs]

Then you should know that it depends where on the spectrum this boy comes. They are certainly not all or even most, unteachable. My granddaughter who comes under the spectrum starts university this year on an academic scholarship.

And unfortunately the studies show that academic or intellectual ability has little bearing on a person on the spectrum - (I'm the parent of an Asperger's child). One of the largest studies done on people with "Asperger's" - a study done in England a few years ago showed that those with high functioning intellectual ability had no more success in life (measured by the ability to hold a job, have a family, etc) than a non verbal Autistic person who requires 1:1 care. Intellectual ability has nothing to do with social ability.

 

[rsd1200]

Another article

http://www.app.com/story/news/crime.../01/long-branch-homicide-new-years/994002001/

According to this news story, the weapon was "legally owned" by someone in the home. Article in the original post says it was a semi-automatic rifle.

Sounds like someone in that home needs to lose their privilege to own guns.

BBM

Not being snarky, at all, but, unless it was grandpa's, I don't think that will be a problem.

Also in the article:

Neither the prosecutor's office nor the school would confirm any diagnosis regarding the youth.
"He had some type of autism. I didn't know what type. He was very secluded," said Pacheco.

Because of the seriousness of the offense, Gramiccioni said the prosecutor could waive the youth out of juvenile court and try him as an adult, but no decision on that had been made as of early Monday.

 

[Gardenista]

Neighbor says he was in the hospital frequently

http://ktla.com/2018/01/01/16-year-...y-killing-family-with-rifle-on-new-years-eve/

 

[Jennifer17]

And unfortunately the studies show that academic or intellectual ability has little bearing on a person on the spectrum - (I'm the parent of an Asperger's child). One of the largest studies done on people with "Asperger's" - a study done in England a few years ago showed that those with high functioning intellectual ability had no more success in life (measured by the ability to hold a job, have a family, etc) than a non verbal Autistic person who requires 1:1 care. Intellectual ability has nothing to do with social ability.

I was more replying to the comment about them being 'unteachable'.

 

[Gardenista]

New

http://www.app.com/story/news/crime...quadruple-homicide-said-hands-teen/994599001/