NJ - Mystery drones seen nightly

[Chimera]

It is a federal crime to shoot at a drone, meaning it is illegal nationwide. Shooting down a drone can also lead to state or local charges for violating other laws not specific to drones.

No, it’s not legal to shoot down a drone

People online have wondered if it’s legal to shoot at mystery drones spotted over New Jersey. It’s illegal under federal law.

www.wfaa.com

12/13/2024

Understandable -- as it could fall on someone's house, car, or even person and cause injuries.
No one wants that.

But what if someone sees one on their own rural acreage and far from any building or livestock, etc. ?
And then, what if it crashed ?
Can they go and examine it ?
Heck, even if it fell to the ground on a city street -- people who live there are going to go and look !
It can't be illegal to observe it without touching anything, one would surmise ?
Omo.

 

[Simply Southern]

We assess that the sightings to date include a combination of lawful commercial drones, hobbyist drones, and law enforcement drones, as well as manned fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters and even stars that were mistakenly reported as drones.'

They forgot ..... A sleigh with a jolly old man and 8 reindeer.

Moo...

 

[Chimera]

The Federal Government is NOT powerless. Remember 911 they scrambled jets to take out the plane in Pennsylvania. They grounded all aircraft for 3 days after 9/11.

What are these people take us for, do they think we have no memory or knowledge of the government.

Attack American soil and see how fast we blow your kister out of the air.

They are looking for something, I suspect a bio hazard.

Moo

Bbm.
Good guess. ^^^

Foreign made or domestic ?
Made/created right here in the good old U.S. of A. ?
Or, brought in by some people who did something ?
Just asking.
Omo.

 

[Brightchaser47]

They forgot ..... A sleigh with a jolly old man and 8 reindeer.

Moo...

That's next week...

 

[Chimera]

Thank you for this; Arielilane, I can understand peoples' frustration.

And I'm always trying to find the most BENIGN, IMAGINATIVE, and least-terrifying source of these drones.

Could this not be a University Geology Department (such as Rutgers? Columbia: Lamont Doherty) working in collaboration with the USGS?

They want to study gasses emitted from the ground? Or magnetic anomalies??? Especially....Prior to an earthquake.

Maybe these drones are getting base-line readings because NJ had an earthquake last year, and we want to try to predict a future one?

Imagine my surprise: I GREW UP IN "SEISMICALLY ACTIVE" NEW JERSEY.

Magnitude 4.8 earthquakes could happen at anytime. Shocking.

(MOO. Pure Speculation. Tongue in cheek.)
e.t.a.: verbs.

Yes, anything is possible at this point... but if geological studies-- why not tell the public ?
Imo.

 

[Simply Southern]

Bbm.
Good guess. ^^^

Foreign made or domestic ?
Made/created right here in the good old U.S. of A. ?
Or, brought in by some people who did something ?
Just asking.
Omo.

One possibility .... radioactive material. BOMB making material. That would account for the statement commercial and law enforcement drones and helicopters. Moo

Mystery as radioactive shipment goes missing in New Jersey

Radioactive material went missing in New Jersey this month. Officials reported the 'shipping container arrived at its destination damaged and empty.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

...
A piece of medical equipment used for cancer scans was shipped from the Nazha Cancer Center in Newfield on December 2 for disposal, but the 'shipping container arrived at its destination damaged and empty.'

The device, known as a 'pin source,' contained a small amount of Germanium-68 (Ge-68) that is used to calibrate a medical scanner's accuracy. If handled without proper gear, it can cause radiation poisoning.
.....

The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) issued an alert for the missing shipment deemed 'less than a Category 3,' meaning it could cause permanent injury if mishandled.

 

[Simply Southern]

That's next week...

To quote their favorite line ....
We're getting ahead of the situation.

Moo

 

[Brightchaser47]

Yes, anything is possible at this point... but if geological studies-- why not tell the public ?
Imo.

Yes, I can even see a news write-up, if it were something like this--"drones being utilized in geological survey", etc. jmo

 

[tarabull]

Drones mystery: Andrew Tate demands answers from Musk - 'Explain ..., Elon' - Times of India

US News: Mysterious drones buzzing over the East Coast have sparked alarm and confusion. Andrew Tate publicly asked Elon Musk for an explanation, while Musk cr

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

ETA: hmmmmmm ???

Google Search

ETA2: right ---- AI, smarter than people lolololol

 

[tarabull]

How U.S. Agencies Should Identify Mysterious Drones: Schumer

Schumer and other elected officials are urging the federal government to deploy better drone-tracking technology.

time.com

 

[Chimera]

Drones mystery: Andrew Tate demands answers from Musk - 'Explain ..., Elon' - Times of India

US News: Mysterious drones buzzing over the East Coast have sparked alarm and confusion. Andrew Tate publicly asked Elon Musk for an explanation, while Musk cr

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

ETA: hmmmmmm ???

Google Search

Chuck Schumer requests drone detection system for New York, New Jersey as mysterious devices litter the skies

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul urged federal lawmakers to pass a measure that would give states more authority to deal with drones directly.

www.nbcnews.com

Friday's airport shutdown prompted New York Gov. Kathy Hochul to call for federal assistance. She said Sunday that the drone detection system isn't enough.

Wonder if E. Musk will answer Tate --that's if EM knows what's going on ??

If Gov. Hochul doesn't know where the drones are coming from, or whom is controlling them -- I'm not sure Musk would know, either ?
Omo.

 

[sds71]

Pilot reports drone sighting from Bradley Airport

A potential drone close to Bradley International Airport was spotted by a pilot taxiing on the runway, according to new audio recordings. It’s part of a string of reports that continue to come in from around Connecticut. “It’s not big enough to be picking up on my radar scope. It must be a...

www.nbcconnecticut.com

“It's not big enough to be picking up on my radar scope. It must be a little drone or something.” The audio begins from Bradley’s tower.

“I think it is a drone that's definitely…somebody shouldn't have it up there,” a pilot with Jet Blue responds.

The audio is recorded from the night of Dec. 12, reporting to the tower a potential drone spotted as operations continue at the airport.

The audio indicated operations continued as planned, with no disruption. When asked about the sighting, the Connecticut Airport Authority couldn’t validate the audio, but could confirm reports of a drone near Bradley on Dec. 12 and 13.

They clarify the drones were “never within airport airspace.”

 

[INfisherman]

There's also a YahooNews article (sorry I can't link) with DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas stating there's an increase in night-time drone flights because it became legal in September 2023...So drone owners everywhere waited till November 2024 to fly at night? Nah. jmo

Don’t give Kohberger any ideas for an alibi.

 

[Jade]

IMO, its not that the Feds are powerless but that in our society we don’t just let any ole anyone to go shooting down things in the sky without proper authorization and procedure.

The introduced Legislation attempts to resolve that but I expect the holdup is that it has language to allow disabling, damaging or destroying drones and as stated in the linked article the HS warns against shooting down drones.

We don’t control the air space over our properties beyond what we can reasonably use in connection with the land.

Basically it’s a public domain freeway above our heads.

[...]
"A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. "The "navigable airspace" in which the public has a right of transit has been defined as "the airspace at or above the minimum altitudes of flight…”

[...]

Air rights - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

[…]
The legislation would allow Homeland Security and the DOJ personnel who are tasked with the safety, security or protection of people, facilities or assets "to detect, identify, monitor, track, and mitigate a credible threat ... that an unmanned aircraft system or unmanned aircraft poses to the safety or security of a covered facility or asset," according to the legislation.

Some of the specific actions also include: warning the operator of the unmanned aircraft system; disrupting control of the unmanned aircraft system; seizing or exercising control of the unmanned aircraft system; seizing or otherwise confiscating the unmanned aircraft system; and even using reasonable force, if necessary, to disable, damage, or destroy the unmanned aircraft system, according to the legislation.

The final section, on disabling, damaging or destroying the drones echoes the sentiment expressed by several politicians, including Democratic Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal and other local officials that local officials should be able to shoot down any unknown drones to study where they are coming from.

The Department of Homeland Security has warned against that, saying, "Shooting down a drone can pose safety risks to people and property on the ground. Debris from a downed drone can cause injury or damage, especially in populated areas."
[…]

What to know about the federal drone bill backed by New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy

New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy is throwing his support behind proposed federal legislation that would address drones and unmanned aircrafts.

abcnews.go.com

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[Curiousobserver]

IMO, its not that the Feds are powerless but that in our society we don’t just let any ole anyone to go shooting down things in the sky without proper authorization and procedure.

The introduced Legislation attempts to resolve that but I expect the holdup is that it has language to allow disabling, damaging or destroying drones and as stated in the linked article the HS warns against shooting down drones.

We don’t control the air space over our properties beyond what we can reasonably use in connection with the land.

Basically it’s a public domain freeway above our heads.

[...]
"A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. "The "navigable airspace" in which the public has a right of transit has been defined as "the airspace at or above the minimum altitudes of flight…”

[...]

Air rights - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

[…]
The legislation would allow Homeland Security and the DOJ personnel who are tasked with the safety, security or protection of people, facilities or assets "to detect, identify, monitor, track, and mitigate a credible threat ... that an unmanned aircraft system or unmanned aircraft poses to the safety or security of a covered facility or asset," according to the legislation.

Some of the specific actions also include: warning the operator of the unmanned aircraft system; disrupting control of the unmanned aircraft system; seizing or exercising control of the unmanned aircraft system; seizing or otherwise confiscating the unmanned aircraft system; and even using reasonable force, if necessary, to disable, damage, or destroy the unmanned aircraft system, according to the legislation.

The final section, on disabling, damaging or destroying the drones echoes the sentiment expressed by several politicians, including Democratic Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal and other local officials that local officials should be able to shoot down any unknown drones to study where they are coming from.

The Department of Homeland Security has warned against that, saying, "Shooting down a drone can pose safety risks to people and property on the ground. Debris from a downed drone can cause injury or damage, especially in populated areas."
[…]

What to know about the federal drone bill backed by New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy

New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy is throwing his support behind proposed federal legislation that would address drones and unmanned aircrafts.

abcnews.go.com

all imo

MOO- 99.9 times out of 100 times, untrained people cannot correctly identify a drone vs a commercial or hobby (manned) aircraft at night, even when a few hundred feet away from the drone.

The battle of Los Angeles during WWII is an almost perfect analogy.

Battle of Los Angeles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a lesson in what mass-hysteria can cause.

Any of this sound familiar?

From the article (emphasis by me): "Some contemporary press outlets suspected a cover-up of the truth. An editorial in the Long Beach Independent wrote, "There is a mysterious reticence about the whole affair and it appears that some form of censorship is trying to halt discussion on the matter." Speculation was rampant as to invading airplanes and their bases. Theories included a secret base in northern Mexico as well as Japanese submarines stationed offshore with the capability of carrying planes. Others speculated that the incident was either staged or exaggerated to give coastal defense industries an excuse to move further inland."

Allegations of a coverup, a secret Japanese mothership offshore, and a clandestine ulterior motive from our own government.

Professional, trained military officers with high powered binoculars on the top of buildings mis-identified non-existent aircraft and directed artillery on them.

If trained military cannot ID aircraft at night, civilians can't either.

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin

After a police officer witnessed strange lights over a reservoir in Connecticut, I traveled to the spot with a former FBI agent, Navy veteran, and Nasa consultant. We found more witnesses. Unclear what it is -- but the experts I was with say it's likely not a plane or a drone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869051295728025673

 

[cocomod]

Massive Drone Found by Police in New York Raises Questions​

Massive drone found by police in New York raises questions

A new photo shows an NYPD officer holding up the large aircraft, which appears to measure more than five feet in diameter.

www.newsweek.com

A photo obtained by the New York Post shows an NYPD officer holding up the large aircraft, which appears to be more than five feet in diameter. Energy startup Amogy, Inc. said it manufactured the drone and had placed it on the sidewalk outside its headquarters a month before.

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio says more drones were spotted in the vicinity of the base last night.“The number of systems has fluctuated, and they have ranged in sizes and configurations,” according to a statement from the base. Airspace was not impacted this time.


11:44 AM · Dec 17, 2024

 

[kuromiiiilove]

@BrianEntin


Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio says more drones were spotted in the vicinity of the base last night.“The number of systems has fluctuated, and they have ranged in sizes and configurations,” according to a statement from the base. Airspace was not impacted this time.


11:44 AM · Dec 17, 2024

Is DHS/White House going to try to claim that the Air Force soldiers are just seeing stars/planes?? MOO

 

[Jade]

MOO- 99.9 times out of 100 times, untrained people cannot correctly identify a drone vs a commercial or hobby (manned) aircraft at night, even when a few hundred feet away from the drone.

The battle of Los Angeles during WWII is an almost perfect analogy.

Battle of Los Angeles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a lesson in what mass-hysteria can cause.

Any of this sound familiar?

From the article (emphasis by me): "Some contemporary press outlets suspected a cover-up of the truth. An editorial in the Long Beach Independent wrote, "There is a mysterious reticence about the whole affair and it appears that some form of censorship is trying to halt discussion on the matter." Speculation was rampant as to invading airplanes and their bases. Theories included a secret base in northern Mexico as well as Japanese submarines stationed offshore with the capability of carrying planes. Others speculated that the incident was either staged or exaggerated to give coastal defense industries an excuse to move further inland."

Allegations of a coverup, a secret Japanese mothership offshore, and a clandestine ulterior motive from our own government.

Professional, trained military officers with high powered binoculars on the top of buildings mis-identified non-existent aircraft and directed artillery on them.

If trained military cannot ID aircraft at night, civilians can't either.

Having called family and neighbors out to see the Space Station go over as I helpfully pointed out a bright star as it, again & then again, I can sure relate.


The loud chugging along sound was what made me look up.
Guess it was a heavy lift drone motor in use:

https://www.unmannedsystemstechnology.com/expo/heavy-lift-drone-motors/#:~:text=Some heavy lift drones use,, agriculture, and emergency response.


all imo