No intruder?

[joeskidbeck]

By the way, HOTYH. I will ask you this nicely. Please do not ever doubt my good Southern sense. You just might be surprised one day.

 

[Agatha_C]

LOLOLOL.. Beck... That had me whistling and doing the happy dance....

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

By the way, HOTYH. I will ask you this nicely. Please do not ever doubt my good Southern sense. You just might be surprised one day.

"only has deviant sexual desires for children" is lacking. Makes it seem like a pedophile is never sexually attracted to adults. Like I said, its semantics.

Here are some questions RDI seemed to stepside:

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Yes, no, or maybe?

Are you saying that JBR was molested by a child molester that might not be a pedophile? Yes, no, or maybe?

When and where were the pageants that year? We know about JR's golf clubs but nobody knows anything about JBR's pageants? Seems to me thats really important if JBR was sexually assaulted.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Pedophiles are exclusively sexually attracted to prepubescent children. The psychiatric profession now considers Pedophilia to be a distinct sexual orientation. .

There are other definitions that are different than this. Its all knit-picky semantics as far as I'm concerned.

Individuals with this disorder are commonly associated with professions/activities that afford them ready access to children of the gender and age they prefer such as: teaching, coaching, scouting, clergy & activity centers, arcades, amusement parks and ball fields.

my bold.

Why does RDI know more about JR's golf clubs than beauty pageants from 1996? Seems to me this is really important because the pageants attract offenders.

I'll have to modify my intruder theory because this is very likely related.

 

[PrintGal]

But I'll ask this again.If it was so obvious for the R team and LS that it was a pedo....why did the parents bury her in that pageant outfit,does that make sense?Not to me.If that's what baited the psycho perv I would feel guilty for all my life for exposing her.I would BURN those damn pageant clothes and thropies and crowns.

If it was a pedo how come did they keep saying the pageant thingy was fun and there was nothing wrong with it.It's what killed her,right?

Because like her life, JB's death was all about PR. And PR was all about appearances.

 

[UKGuy]

By the way, HOTYH. I will ask you this nicely. Please do not ever doubt my good Southern sense. You just might be surprised one day.

joeskidbeck,

Responds to nice, really?

Answers for all aspiring IDI promoters, or Ramsey apologists.

1. JonBenet's death is a sexually motivated homicide.

2. Someone was molesting JonBenet prior to her death.

3. JonBenet's Mother , Aunts, along with Don and Nedra Paugh accompanied JonBenet to many Pageants. Thus presenting the opportunity for abuse.

4. There is no evidence linking or matching to any intruder.

5. There is crime-scene evidence linking and matching to the parents. e.g. fibers on JonBenet's crotch area, and fibers from Patsy's jacket entwined into the ligature.

6. JonBenet's size-12's were confirmed to be a pair purchased by Patsy at Bloomingdales in an interview.

I'll say it again there is, to date, no IDI theory that explains any of the crime-scene evidence. Its all nonsense, invented by Ramsey apologists!


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[Agatha_C]

HOTYH,

It said more then that HOTYH. It says a lot more then that. RDI posts all the facts and not just those that suit an agenda. IDI reads the entire list and only finds one thing to support the IDI theory. Ridiculous, closed minded, and slap you in the face ignorance.

Until people like you, stop holding these ridiculous ideas there will always be JBR's, in this world. Because the only people being looked for are pedophiles which in reality are the smallest number of child offenders today.

There's a child in my home who was molested by a pedo, and he slept with her mother, the whole time he planning his attack on her child and her mother took his side. Because he did't appear to be the kind. He didn't act depraved and perverted in front of her. Stick with what you know

But then hey if it makes you sleep better at night, then call it what ever you want. As for me, I know the truth and the difference and I don't sleep well at night.

 

[Agatha_C]

Marry me UKGUY...LOL.....

 

[otg]

Okay, I'm starting to get confused over the Barbie doll/nightgown discussion. (Quotes below my post.)

I thought the doll had been somewhat identified in the photos shown in a screen capture of a Lou Smit dog&pony show. The thread showing those images is here:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116359"]What's in this cellar room photo? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

But in the interview, maybe they are referring to two different things?
(1) The nightgown with Barbie's face on it, and (2) an actual doll still in the plastic wrap?

Is that what you're saying UKGuy? Or are you saying there is another doll in the pink nightgown thing next to the white blanket?

(And I apologize for interrupting the pedo/CM discussion. Very interesting, BTW. Thanks, Agatha, for a great post about the differences.)

About the doll?Please be so kind and do.Cause I looked and looked for quotes and pics that could prove the existence of one found down there but didn't find anything that satisfies me.

I've already posted this before including evidence that the barbie nightgown was blood stained. The source for the wine-cellar picture is a screen capture from the Schiller documentary, there are a few others from different angles. If you look closely enough you can make out the form of a barbie doll at the bottom right of the pink nightgown!

Following quotes are excerpted from Patsy's 1998 BPD Interview

(Refer to UKGuy's original post for interview dialogue.)

Patsy explcitly identifies the pink object as JonBenet's Barbie nightgown, but does not confirm if it is her Barbie Doll's , which is important if her doll is at the crime-scene.

Patsy and Tom Haney state they can see a Barbie Doll. I'm assuming its under the nightgown?

Looks like we have the Barbie nightgown and a Barbie doll located in the wine-cellar and documented as evidence.

Ukguy,thanks.

PATSY RAMSEY: That is a Barbie doll under there.

To ME this sounds like they showed her a gown in a plastic bag and she saw the picture of the barbie that was on the gown under it(plastic).

IMO

Maybe it was a gown like this with a barbie pic on it?

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[joeskidbeck]

"only has deviant sexual desires for children" is lacking. Makes it seem like a pedophile is never sexually attracted to adults. Like I said, its semantics.

Here are some questions RDI seemed to stepside:

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Yes, no, or maybe?

Are you saying that JBR was molested by a child molester that might not be a pedophile? Yes, no, or maybe?

When and where were the pageants that year? We know about JR's golf clubs but nobody knows anything about JBR's pageants? Seems to me thats really important if JBR was sexually assaulted.

BBM

Quoted from AgathaC: "Pedophiles are exclusively sexually attracted to prepubescent children"
BBM

It is NOT semantics. Pedophiles are only sexually attracted to children. Child molesters do not give a rat's ugly behind who they molest. Understand that or you will never understand what happened in Boulder CO that night. It's not possible if you cannot tell the difference in these two.

RDI is not saying there was never sexual attraction on the part of the perp. Where did you get that idea? It would depend on whose theory you are looking at. I suppose some people might think the person who was molesting her could be the person who killed her, but that is not an RDI FACT. You seem to believe that RDI is set in stone and we are all just sheeple following the shepherd. That's wrong, Hat and you know it is. How long have we all been reading and posting here? Why do you still think all RDI believes the same way? That's where your questions lead and that seems to be what you want others to think. It does nothing but distract from the facts. JonBenet was sexually assaulted that night to cover previous molestation. As for the size 12 panties, that's in one of the LE interviews. If you haven't read them, I suggest you could learn a lot from them.

 

[Agatha_C]

HOTYH,

Pedophilia involves sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger). The individual with Pedophilia must be age 16 years or older and at least 5 years older than the child/victim. Those individuals attracted to females usually prefer 8 to 10 year olds(SHE WAS 6) I mean if we are going to nit pick.

criminal paraphilic acts are rare.

Although Pedophilia is not a "sexual addiction", the behavior patterns displayed by many Pedophiles resemble the patterns associated with "addicts", i.e., compulsive and repetitious. What other child in the last 15 years died like JBR, where garrote was used? Where she was cleaned, redressed, wrapped in blanket and left in her own home?

True Pedophiles are responsible for only a small percentage of child sexual molestations. Half of child sexual abusers are the parents of the victims; other relatives commit an additional 18% of the offenses. since you like percentages, this would mean that most sexual assaults on a child happen by family members.

convenience and easy access are their prime concerns. Breaking into a home, feeding a child, raping her and staging a fantasy scene, all while her parents were asleep upstairs, are not convenient nor easily accessed.

Pedophiles primarily engage in fondling and oral-genital sex; they "court" and "groom" their victims as if engaged in a consensual relationship with an adult. Child molesters will fondle and engage in oral-genital sex, but also frequently sexually penetrate their victims JBR, was penetrated by the paint brush/or what ever IDI wants to make up. Wait the brush had Korea on, thats right. So this RDI has right then...

Pedophiles may believe that they have not harmed the child (ego-syntonic) and may convince themselves that they truly "love" the child with no acceptance that they have used their power and influence to overpower their victim. Child molesters do not engage in a "relationship" with their victim, their interest is strictly overpowering the victim by means of sexual degradation and control. JB, was strangled, hit over the head and assaulted with a stick I call this degradation, control and dominance. Maybe IDI doesnt see it that way.

Pedophilic behavior/fantasy rarely varies. If the Pedophile prefers 8 year-old boys, he will be "grooming" 6 or 7 year-olds to replace his current 8-year-old victims when they "age-out" of his preference parameters. Child molesters may continue victimizing the same child or children for years; convenience and accessibility are paramount to the molester. HMMM convenience and accessibility are the molesters preference...

Anyone that can refer to the resources dealing with child abuses as nit picking, makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[UKGuy]

Okay, I'm starting to get confused over the Barbie doll/nightgown discussion. (Quotes below my post.)

I thought the doll had been somewhat identified in the photos shown in a screen capture of a Lou Smit dog&pony show. The thread showing those images is here:
What's in this cellar room photo? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

But in the interview, maybe they are referring to two different things?
(1) The nightgown with Barbie's face on it, and (2) an actual doll still in the plastic wrap?

Is that what you're saying UKGuy? Or are you saying there is another doll in the pink nightgown thing next to the white blanket?

(And I apologize for interrupting the pedo/CM discussion. Very interesting, BTW. Thanks, Agatha, for a great post about the differences.)






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otg,
Whats confusing? Taken into evidence and bagged at the crime-scene was, amongst other items a blood-stained pink barbie nightgown, and a barbie doll.

Prior to being bagged these items were photographed in-situ. So you have two different representations of the same objects.

So we have as an exchange:

20 PATSY RAMSEY: What is the pink thing?

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Patsy identifies the white blanket:

this is a

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1 photo in, I believe, a plastic container still, would

2 that be the blanket that was on the bed?

3 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.

4 TRIP DEMUTH: That is JonBenet's blanket on

5 her bed in her bedroom?

6 PATSY RAMSEY: I could say that, yes.

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Patsy highlights the nightgown.

7 TRIP DEMUTH: Looking at picture 145.

8 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay. What is this pink --

9 what is that?

10 TOM HANEY: We will show you a photo of that

11 in just a second. Just want to get through some of

12 these first of the blanket itself.

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White blanket confirmed as belonging to JonBenet's bedroom.

21 TOM HANEY: This is the pink -- excuse me --

22 the pink item that again is in a plastic bag where the

23 photo was taken.

24 PATSY RAMSEY: That is her (inaudible). Why

25 was that there?

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1 TOM HANEY: What is it?

2 PATSY RAMSEY: It is her Barbie nightgown.

3 TOM HANEY: Is that hers or her Barbie

4 doll's? When would she have worn that last, do you

5 know?

6 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, she didn't wear it that

7 night because she had her -- she had the long underwear

8 pants and her little white shirt. And the night before

9 on Christmas Eve night she wore the pink little

10 (inaudible) that was under her pillow. You saw that.

Patsy confirms the pink item is the barbie nightgown. And Tom Haney corroborates by asking is it her barbie doll's gown?

Patsy confirms that she sees a barbie doll under the nightgown. And Tom Haney corroborates by stating he can see it too.

19 TOM HANEY: Okay. You know, it appears --

20 PATSY RAMSEY: That is a Barbie doll under

21 there.

22 TOM HANEY: It appears from the waist down

23 you can see that much, but from the waist up, because

24 of the plastic, there is a flash and the reflection

25 that is washed out.

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1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. The nightgowns were

2 kept in the bathroom, in her bathroom in the side

3 drawer there. Her pajamas were there.

4 TOM HANEY: All of them?

5 PATSY RAMSEY: Unless they were in the dirty

6 clothes.

Or are you saying there is another doll in the pink nightgown thing next to the white blanket?

Yes, recently discovered by moi! Read the interview its all there.


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[joeskidbeck]

otg, it helps if you realize that the barbie that is in the pink thing is regular sized barbie. She would appear to be "papoosed" in the same way JonBenet was. In this photo she is at the bottom right and mostly what you see is her long blonde hair sticking out of the pink gown/blanket. If you turn your head slightly to the right you can see parts of her face. Someone thought they were being very clever in leaving this Barbie the same way that JonBenet was found. Probably to further confound LE and point to a sick intruder.
Their are other photos of Barbies in that basement. There was more than one unless they took the photo above, removed the barbie and placed her elsewhere before taking more pictures. It is my opinion though that there was more than one Barbie on the scene that night.
The interview is confusing because they were showing her pictures where the pink gown had already been put in a plastic evidence bag and you could see the face of barbie on the nightgown. Personally, I don't believe the pink item in the photo above is a nightgown. I believe it is a pink blanket. I feel it is too big to be either JonBenet's or Life Sized Barbies' gown. Also, if it is the nightgown, where is Barbie's face that Patsy supposedly saw on it? There is so much information that has not been released that it almost makes it impossible to imagine the scene in the cellar. One of the first detectives on the scene made the remark that there were two blankets, a pink one and a white one. Once again, I believe the pink blanket is the item redacted on the evidence list. Sorry, I'm not UKGuy, he is much more informed on these matters than I am, but after reading here and at FFJ, I have formed these opinions based on the photos that have been released.
Becky

 

[UKGuy]

otg, it helps if you realize that the barbie that is in the pink thing is regular sized barbie. She would appear to be "papoosed" in the same way JonBenet was. In this photo she is at the bottom right and mostly what you see is her long blonde hair sticking out of the pink gown/blanket. If you turn your head slightly to the right you can see parts of her face. Someone thought they were being very clever in leaving this Barbie the same way that JonBenet was found. Probably to further confound LE and point to a sick intruder.
Their are other photos of Barbies in that basement. There was more than one unless they took the photo above, removed the barbie and placed her elsewhere before taking more pictures. It is my opinion though that there was more than one Barbie on the scene that night.
The interview is confusing because they were showing her pictures where the pink gown had already been put in a plastic evidence bag and you could see the face of barbie on the nightgown. Personally, I don't believe the pink item in the photo above is a nightgown. I believe it is a pink blanket. I feel it is too big to be either JonBenet's or Life Sized Barbies' gown. Also, if it is the nightgown, where is Barbie's face that Patsy supposedly saw on it? There is so much information that has not been released that it almost makes it impossible to imagine the scene in the cellar. One of the first detectives on the scene made the remark that there were two blankets, a pink one and a white one. Once again, I believe the pink blanket is the item redacted on the evidence list. Sorry, I'm not UKGuy, he is much more informed on these matters than I am, but after reading here and at FFJ, I have formed these opinions based on the photos that have been released.
Becky

joeskidbeck,
Not only do two people in the interview identify the pink object as the nightgown, but subsequently, blood-staines from the pink nightgown were subject to dna analysis.

Its actually the doll that is new, the nightgown is old news!


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[otg]

otg, it helps if you realize that the barbie that is in the pink thing is regular sized barbie. She would appear to be "papoosed" in the same way JonBenet was. In this photo she is at the bottom right and mostly what you see is her long blonde hair sticking out of the pink gown/blanket. If you turn your head slightly to the right you can see parts of her face. Someone thought they were being very clever in leaving this Barbie the same way that JonBenet was found. Probably to further confound LE and point to a sick intruder.

So I guess in the interview when Haney says he sees the Barbie from the waist down and refers to the plastic reflecting the flash, they are looking at a photo that we have not seen (taken after evidence was gathered?). (I think I see what you're talking about in the photo from Court-TV now, thanks to your description -- TY.)

Their are other photos of Barbies in that basement. There was more than one unless they took the photo above, removed the barbie and placed her elsewhere before taking more pictures. It is my opinion though that there was more than one Barbie on the scene that night.

Yikes! Barbies here, Barbies there. It's starting to sound like that other theory posted recently about the Barbie fetish thing.

OMG!​

The interview is confusing because they were showing her pictures where the pink gown had already been put in a plastic evidence bag and you could see the face of barbie on the nightgown. Personally, I don't believe the pink item in the photo above is a nightgown. I believe it is a pink blanket. I feel it is too big to be either JonBenet's or Life Sized Barbies' gown. Also, if it is the nightgown, where is Barbie's face that Patsy supposedly saw on it? There is so much information that has not been released that it almost makes it impossible to imagine the scene in the cellar. One of the first detectives on the scene made the remark that there were two blankets, a pink one and a white one. Once again, I believe the pink blanket is the item redacted on the evidence list. Sorry, I'm not UKGuy, he is much more informed on these matters than I am, but after reading here and at FFJ, I have formed these opinions based on the photos that have been released.
Becky

No apologies necessary for my part, Beck. Thank you and UKGuy for clearing that up for me. (Now my head is spinning.)
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[Agatha_C]

Beck,

I agree with you. Thats to much material for a little girl of JB size and age. She would wear a size 5/6. Also, the color is to pale. Every barbie gown, I have seen and trust me, I've seen more than my share, is a darker pink, Usually, more then one color pink or with some kind of patterns on it.

I'm not seeing this as child night gown....

 

[MurriFlower]

Beck,

I agree with you. Thats to much material for a little girl of JB size and age. She would wear a size 5/6. Also, the color is to pale. Every barbie gown, I have seen and trust me, I've seen more than my share, is a darker pink, Usually, more then one color pink or with some kind of patterns on it.

I'm not seeing this as child night gown....

It looks exactly like the one she had on Christmas morning.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So I guess in the interview when Haney says he sees the Barbie from the waist down and refers to the plastic reflecting the flash, they are looking at a photo that we have not seen (taken after evidence was gathered?). (I think I see what you're talking about in the photo from Court-TV now, thanks to your description -- TY.)



Yikes! Barbies here, Barbies there. It's starting to sound like that other theory posted recently about the Barbie fetish thing.

OMG!​

No apologies necessary for my part, Beck. Thank you and UKGuy for clearing that up for me. (Now my head is spinning.)
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Love the cat!

 

[Agatha_C]

Murri, That's not a barbie gown she's wearing. Even PR admitted she wasn't wearing the Barbie gown Christmas morning. She said the Christmas morning PJ's were under JBR pillow, her words not mine, and they were pajama's not a nightgown.

Sorry, but what she is wearing in the picture is not whats laying next to the blanket.

 

[SunnieRN]

But not enough sense to look it up?

A pedophile is defined as one affected with pedophilia.

Pedophilia is defined as a perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.

Your definition is lacking.

I dont even understand why RDI is so adamant about no pedophilia and only 'child molestation'. It sure seems like a very thin and almost no line between the two. How does RDI characterize the injuries? Sexually assaulted? Molested? Accidental? What?

A man who is sexually attracted to male children is not considered a homosexual: He is a pedophile.

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/explaining-pedophilia

This man could then go back to adult relationships. Still a pedophile because he was sexually attracted:

These people, Siracusa says, are called "regressed offenders" because they have literally regressed: They lose the social skills they need to deal with other adults, which makes children more attractive to them. Regressed offenders may "bounce back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children.

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Thats just absurd.

What's absurd is that you keep arguing mute points. JB was sexually assulted. Until the guilty person is identified, whom the choice of guilt varies depending upon intelligence levels, knowledge and evidence, whether it is a molester or a pedophile is a mute point. I would think you would find this next post fascinating however, as it gives very understandable explanations and reasons for the difference. Differences which are recognizeable if you read the post.

HOTYH,

Pedophilia and Child Sexual Molestation

Pedophilia: The Definition

Pedophilia is a psychosexual mental disorder that is included in the class of sexual disorders known as Paraphilias. Paraphilias are characterized by recurrent, intense sexual urges, fantasies, or behaviors that involve unusual objects, activities, or situations and cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

Paraphilic behavior is insistent and repetitive in nature, resulting in high numbers of acts, behaviors and/or fantasies. Pedophilia is the most common of the Paraphilias, affecting approximately 4% of the adult male population at any given time. Males with a Paraphilia frequently have three to five different Paraphilias, either concurrently or at different times in their lives.

Pedophilia involves sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger). The individual with Pedophilia must be age 16 years or older and at least 5 years older than the child/victim. Those individuals attracted to females usually prefer 8 to 10 year olds, whereas those attracted to males usually prefer slightly older children. The occurrence of paraphilic behavior peaks between ages 15 and 30 and then gradually declines; in men over the age of 50, criminal paraphilic acts are rare. However, the attraction to pedophilic may never decline.

Pedophilic fantasy remains relatively fixed and shows only minor variations over a lifetime. Most child molestations by Pedophiles involve genital fondling or oral-genital sex. Offenders report that when they touch a child, most (60%) of the victims are boys. In contrast, 99% of individuals who window-peep or expose themselves do so against girls. 95% of known Pedophiles are heterosexual and 50% have consumed alcohol to excess at the time of the incident. A significant number of Pedophiles simultaneously, or have previously been, involved in genital exposure (Exhibitionism), peeping (Voyeurism), or rape.

Common Characteristics of Individuals with Pedophilia

Pedophiles are exclusively sexually attracted to prepubescent children. The psychiatric profession now considers Pedophilia to be a distinct sexual orientation. Individuals with this disorder are commonly associated with professions/activities that afford them ready access to children of the gender and age they prefer such as: teaching, coaching, scouting, clergy & activity centers, arcades, amusement parks and ball fields.

Although Pedophilia is not a "sexual addiction", the behavior patterns displayed by many Pedophiles resemble the patterns associated with "addicts", i.e., compulsive and repetitious. Most Pedophiles elaborately plan their "seductions." They "court" the child and lavish attention and concern for their well-being upon them. Most Pedophiles are mild mannered and average-looking men. They are frequently described as "just the nicest man you ever met."

They will typically display a fascination with children and will make frequent references to them as "pure," "innocent," "angels," and "precious." Not infrequently, the Pedophile will "share" interests that are developmentally appropriate for the age of the child he is attracted to, i.e., toy collecting, model building, sports, video games, etc. Often the Pedophile has no friends his own age and will spend a great deal of time alone when not able to access a child. Pedophiles are massive consumers of Internet child . They will have access to and expertise in Web surfing.

Pedophiles are notorious rationalizers. Their behaviors are ego-syntonic (there is no conflict for them between their sense of right and wrong); therefore they will explain their actions with excuses such as: the behaviors have "educational value" for the child, the child derives "sexual pleasure" from the behavior, or that the child was "sexually provocative."

True Pedophiles are responsible for only a small percentage of child sexual molestations. Half of child sexual abusers are the parents of the victims; other relatives commit an additional 18% of the offenses.
Pedophile or Child Molester?

All Pedophiles are child molesters, but very few child molesters are Pedophiles. Pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation that involves exclusive attraction to prepubescent children (male or female, generally not both). Child sexual molesters may be sexually attracted to males and/or females and are generally not particular about their age; convenience and easy access are their prime concerns.

Active Pedophiles are generally single men between the ages of 16 and 35. Child molesters are generally married men, of any age, who are primarily drawn to their own children and step-children.

Pedophiles primarily engage in fondling and oral-genital sex; they "court" and "groom" their victims as if engaged in a consensual relationship with an adult. Child molesters will fondle and engage in oral-genital sex, but also frequently sexually penetrate their victims, force children to watch while the molester abuses their mother or others and partake of with children in the immediate vicinity.

Pedophiles are master rationalizers, while child molesters are master liars and manipulators.

Pedophiles may believe that they have not harmed the child (ego-syntonic) and may convince themselves that they truly "love" the child with no acceptance that they have used their power and influence to overpower their victim. Child molesters do not engage in a "relationship" with their victim, their interest is strictly overpowering the victim by means of sexual degradation and control.

Pedophilic behavior/fantasy rarely varies. If the Pedophile prefers 8 year-old boys, he will be "grooming" 6 or 7 year-olds to replace his current 8-year-old victims when they "age-out" of his preference parameters. Child molesters may continue victimizing the same child or children for years; convenience and accessibility are paramount to the molester.

Both Pedophiles and child molesters are primarily heterosexual males. Active pedophilic behavior generally starts slowing down around age 35; the child molester generally continues his victimization until he is no longer physically able due to age, illness, injury, or incarceration.

Female Pedophiles are extremely rare; this disorder is considered an affliction of heterosexual males. Child molesters are primarily males, although there are a small but significant percentage of female offenders.

Warning Signs That Your Child May Have Been Sexually Victimized

Sleep disturbances, nightmares, won’t/can’t sleep alone, problems getting to sleep

Preoccupation with sexually explicit knowledge that is inappropriate for child’s developmental age

Behavioral re-enactments of molestation (more likely with children under age 6)

Difficulty relaxing (irritable, panicky, clingy)

Exaggerated startle response (jumpy)

Wavering between withdrawal, friendliness and aggressive outbursts

Trauma specific fears (refusal to visit someone or somewhere that s/he has previously enjoyed) and/or fears of the mundane (of the darkness, strangers, being alone, being outside, being away from you, animals)

Deliberate avoidance behavior (school absenteeism, "sick" when time to go to church, ball practice, etc.)

Regressive behaviors to earlier developmental stages (bedwetting, thumb-sucking)

Loss of ability to enjoy previously enjoyable activities

Withdrawal from friends/playmates and usual activity

Agatha, BRAVO, thank you for this information as it is a good primer for those who want to know and understand the difference between molesters and pedophiles!! Those who wish to remain in the dark will not be swayed unfortunately.

"only has deviant sexual desires for children" is lacking. Makes it seem like a pedophile is never sexually attracted to adults. Like I said, its semantics.

Here are some questions RDI seemed to stepside:

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Yes, no, or maybe?

Are you saying that JBR was molested by a child molester that might not be a pedophile? Yes, no, or maybe?

When and where were the pageants that year? We know about JR's golf clubs but nobody knows anything about JBR's pageants? Seems to me thats really important if JBR was sexually assaulted.

Read the above article HOTYH. You stated the true difference yourself. Also RDI does not 'suggest' internal and external injuries. Multiple experts (of which you are NOT one of) do.

Your constant uninformed arguments make me wonder about your true motivation is in posting. I asked you once before, would you care to answer now, since you didn't prior?

Also, what in the heck are you referring to with Johns golf clubs vs pageants? Pageants have been discussed multiple times. The only reference to Johns clubs have been a potential hiding place to get items out of the house (after all, despite his daughters death, he had to have both sets of his golf clubs brought to him by Patsys sister) and the fact that JB had been hit in the face with a golf club, by BR. 'Splain yourself Lucy.