No intruder?

[BOESP]

What exactly am I ignoring?
Interesting that you make such a statement since I am dying here not to ignore anything,whether it's RDI,IDI or GodknowsDI.Why do I bother anyway.Seems that most of the people hate me for not being extreme (on one side or another).

You called attention to what you said was an error on UKGuy's part in language that seemed to be an ad hominem attack. Do you mean you agree with the rest of his post?

 

[madeleine]

what you said was an error on UKGuy's part in language

I honestly have no idea what you mean.And you're talking about attacks,you are 'attacking' me since I started to be anti ST,why is that,are you a relative of his or something.Whenever I say something bad (but IMO TRUE) about him here you are breathing down my neck.I better go now,I am not here for this bs.

 

[BOESP]

We have some case braniacs why not ask them:


When and where were the pageants that year?

You can Google for that information and tailor the search to your exact specifications.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Statistics also say the offender is likely known to the victim and inthis case it is highly likely a parent was involved I see no earmarks indicating pedophilia. Abuse, maybe, but not pedophilia. I can also see a Desitin treatment-gone-wrong as an explanation.

What? Oversize underwear, barbie gown redressing, wrapping up lovingly, and the autopsy report has vaginal abrasions, bruising, and bleeding. Are we discussing the same case? Because your remarks seem to ignore all the evidence. Even some of RDI's own stories.

The only way its not a pedophile is if we're speaking clinically and nobody was ever sexually attracted to JBR. Even RDI claims JBR was being chronically sexually abused, its their whole cornerstone. Thats pedophelia.

 

[Becky319]

Why do you say that? Do you believe he was molesting JBR? No one has ever came out and said that JR molested them when they were younger and if he was a pedo, then I doubt he waited until he was in his 50's to start molesting a child.

Sorry Eileen that was just my personal feelings, he just gives me the creeps being so cold and unemotional.

 

[BBB167893]

Oh and you have.

Glad to hear it!

Nothing like a devils advocate.

Don't I know it...

Now then, suppose all you knew was that a child beauty pageant contestant/winner was molested and murdered (fact). What would be the course of the investigation? Has it gone that way? How far?

I can't say for sure, HOTYH.

 

[BBB167893]

But I'll ask this again.If it was so obvious for the R team and LS that it was a pedo....why did the parents bury her in that pageant outfit,does that make sense?Not to me.If that's what baited the psycho perv I would feel guilty for all my life for exposing her.I would BURN those damn pageant clothes and thropies and crowns.

If it was a pedo how come did they keep saying the pageant thingy was fun and there was nothing wrong with it. It's what killed her,right?

I think you just hit the nail on the head, maddy.

 

[BBB167893]

Why do you say that? Do you believe he was molesting JBR? No one has ever came out and said that JR molested them when they were younger and if he was a pedo, then I doubt he waited until he was in his 50's to start molesting a child.

Agreed. I think it helps to read what Agatha said:

Situational offenders tend to offend at times of stress; have a later onset of offending; have fewer, often familial victims; and have a general preference for adult partners.

 

[BBB167893]

Well if I claim JBR was murdered there would be an argument. If I say a pedophile was involved there would be an argument. What is there no argument about?

That a child beauty pageant contestant/winner was sexually assaulted.

There. No arguments.

Fine.

I would add that the public generally refers to anyone who molests/sexually assaults a child to be a pedophile.

Yes, they do. But they're not necessarily correct.

I tend to agree because adding an ulterior motive doesn't subtract from the inappropriate contact.

Believe me, HOTYH, I don't think ANYONE is trying to say that it does. But let's be grammatically correct here. The proper term is "child molester."

RDI is using semantics but it didn't work.

Semantics, my butt! I happen to think it helps to know what motivates a freak like that!

 

[Agatha_C]

Dave... Thats that dang truth. We HAVE too understand what motivates them it's the only way to protect the children all children. We must start at the root of the problem... I knew there was a reason why I liked you....

 

[slug]

I think saying without a doubt that the person who abused her is a pedophille is a little hasty especially if it turns out that the person was under 13 years of age.

There seems to be a line between child abuse and pedophillia and what that line is can vary quite a bit depending on peoples beliefs.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Believe me, HOTYH, I don't think ANYONE is trying to say that it does. But let's be grammatically correct here. The proper term is "child molester."

OK you're not making sense. Are you saying that JBR was molested by a child molester that might not be a pedophile?

 

[Agatha_C]

HOTYH,

Why do you always make me want to run out into traffic? Child molesters and pedophiles "ARE NOT" always the same. If you read the facts and not just the statistics, you might be more convincing or be less convinced.

 

[joeskidbeck]

A pedophile is a person who only has deviant sexual desires for children. A child molester is one who takes advantage of a child because that child is available and he/she has a desire. How would you ever explain all these mothers whose "boyfriends" rape and molest their children? Do you think these "boyfriends" are not having sex with the mother? Don't you think this would clue this woman onto the fact that this man has a problem? Why would anybody have a problem understanding this? You don't want to understand this. In your perfect little world, good men do not molest little girls. You are right, GOOD men dont, men with serious problems do.

ETA: No, this is not a clinical definition. This is the definition by a woman who has enough sense to know there are child molesters and there are pedophiles.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

A pedophile is a person who only has deviant sexual desires for children. A child molester is one who takes advantage of a child because that child is available and he/she has a desire. How would you ever explain all these mothers whose "boyfriends" rape and molest their children? Do you think these "boyfriends" are not having sex with the mother? Don't you think this would clue this woman onto the fact that this man has a problem? Why would anybody have a problem understanding this? You don't want to understand this. In your perfect little world, good men do not molest little girls. You are right, GOOD men dont, men with serious problems do.

ETA: No, this is not a clinical definition. This is the definition by a woman who has enough sense to know there are child molesters and there are pedophiles.

But not enough sense to look it up?

A pedophile is defined as one affected with pedophilia.

Pedophilia is defined as a perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.

Your definition is lacking.

I dont even understand why RDI is so adamant about no pedophilia and only 'child molestation'. It sure seems like a very thin and almost no line between the two. How does RDI characterize the injuries? Sexually assaulted? Molested? Accidental? What?

A man who is sexually attracted to male children is not considered a homosexual: He is a pedophile.

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/explaining-pedophilia

This man could then go back to adult relationships. Still a pedophile because he was sexually attracted:

These people, Siracusa says, are called "regressed offenders" because they have literally regressed: They lose the social skills they need to deal with other adults, which makes children more attractive to them. Regressed offenders may "bounce back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children.

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Thats just absurd.

 

[Linda7NJ]

But not enough sense to look it up?

A pedophile is defined as one affected with pedophilia.

Pedophilia is defined as a perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.

Your definition is lacking.

I dont even understand why RDI is so adamant about no pedophilia and only 'child molestation'. It sure seems like a very thin and almost no line between the two. How does RDI characterize the injuries? Sexually assaulted? Molested? Accidental? What?

A man who is sexually attracted to male children is not considered a homosexual: He is a pedophile.

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/explaining-pedophilia

This man could then go back to adult relationships. Still a pedophile because he was sexually attracted:

These people, Siracusa says, are called "regressed offenders" because they have literally regressed: They lose the social skills they need to deal with other adults, which makes children more attractive to them. Regressed offenders may "bounce back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children.

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Thats just absurd.

IMO She doesn't need to look it up, she's already proved she knows more about the subject than you do. perhaps you should busy yourself reading

All child molesters are not pedophiles!

 

[Linda7NJ]

HOTYH,

Why do you always make me want to run out into traffic? Child molesters and pedophiles "ARE NOT" always the same. If you read the facts and not just the statistics, you might be more convincing or be less convinced.

ROFL! You nailed the very reason I must take breaks

 

[Agatha_C]

HOTYH,

Pedophilia and Child Sexual Molestation

Pedophilia: The Definition

Pedophilia is a psychosexual mental disorder that is included in the class of sexual disorders known as Paraphilias. Paraphilias are characterized by recurrent, intense sexual urges, fantasies, or behaviors that involve unusual objects, activities, or situations and cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

Paraphilic behavior is insistent and repetitive in nature, resulting in high numbers of acts, behaviors and/or fantasies. Pedophilia is the most common of the Paraphilias, affecting approximately 4% of the adult male population at any given time. Males with a Paraphilia frequently have three to five different Paraphilias, either concurrently or at different times in their lives.

Pedophilia involves sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger). The individual with Pedophilia must be age 16 years or older and at least 5 years older than the child/victim. Those individuals attracted to females usually prefer 8 to 10 year olds, whereas those attracted to males usually prefer slightly older children. The occurrence of paraphilic behavior peaks between ages 15 and 30 and then gradually declines; in men over the age of 50, criminal paraphilic acts are rare. However, the attraction to pedophilic may never decline.

Pedophilic fantasy remains relatively fixed and shows only minor variations over a lifetime. Most child molestations by Pedophiles involve genital fondling or oral-genital sex. Offenders report that when they touch a child, most (60%) of the victims are boys. In contrast, 99% of individuals who window-peep or expose themselves do so against girls. 95% of known Pedophiles are heterosexual and 50% have consumed alcohol to excess at the time of the incident. A significant number of Pedophiles simultaneously, or have previously been, involved in genital exposure (Exhibitionism), peeping (Voyeurism), or rape.

Common Characteristics of Individuals with Pedophilia

Pedophiles are exclusively sexually attracted to prepubescent children. The psychiatric profession now considers Pedophilia to be a distinct sexual orientation. Individuals with this disorder are commonly associated with professions/activities that afford them ready access to children of the gender and age they prefer such as: teaching, coaching, scouting, clergy & activity centers, arcades, amusement parks and ball fields.

Although Pedophilia is not a "sexual addiction", the behavior patterns displayed by many Pedophiles resemble the patterns associated with "addicts", i.e., compulsive and repetitious. Most Pedophiles elaborately plan their "seductions." They "court" the child and lavish attention and concern for their well-being upon them. Most Pedophiles are mild mannered and average-looking men. They are frequently described as "just the nicest man you ever met."

They will typically display a fascination with children and will make frequent references to them as "pure," "innocent," "angels," and "precious." Not infrequently, the Pedophile will "share" interests that are developmentally appropriate for the age of the child he is attracted to, i.e., toy collecting, model building, sports, video games, etc. Often the Pedophile has no friends his own age and will spend a great deal of time alone when not able to access a child. Pedophiles are massive consumers of Internet child . They will have access to and expertise in Web surfing.

Pedophiles are notorious rationalizers. Their behaviors are ego-syntonic (there is no conflict for them between their sense of right and wrong); therefore they will explain their actions with excuses such as: the behaviors have "educational value" for the child, the child derives "sexual pleasure" from the behavior, or that the child was "sexually provocative."

True Pedophiles are responsible for only a small percentage of child sexual molestations. Half of child sexual abusers are the parents of the victims; other relatives commit an additional 18% of the offenses.
Pedophile or Child Molester?

All Pedophiles are child molesters, but very few child molesters are Pedophiles. Pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation that involves exclusive attraction to prepubescent children (male or female, generally not both). Child sexual molesters may be sexually attracted to males and/or females and are generally not particular about their age; convenience and easy access are their prime concerns.

Active Pedophiles are generally single men between the ages of 16 and 35. Child molesters are generally married men, of any age, who are primarily drawn to their own children and step-children.

Pedophiles primarily engage in fondling and oral-genital sex; they "court" and "groom" their victims as if engaged in a consensual relationship with an adult. Child molesters will fondle and engage in oral-genital sex, but also frequently sexually penetrate their victims, force children to watch while the molester abuses their mother or others and partake of with children in the immediate vicinity.

Pedophiles are master rationalizers, while child molesters are master liars and manipulators.

Pedophiles may believe that they have not harmed the child (ego-syntonic) and may convince themselves that they truly "love" the child with no acceptance that they have used their power and influence to overpower their victim. Child molesters do not engage in a "relationship" with their victim, their interest is strictly overpowering the victim by means of sexual degradation and control.

Pedophilic behavior/fantasy rarely varies. If the Pedophile prefers 8 year-old boys, he will be "grooming" 6 or 7 year-olds to replace his current 8-year-old victims when they "age-out" of his preference parameters. Child molesters may continue victimizing the same child or children for years; convenience and accessibility are paramount to the molester.

Both Pedophiles and child molesters are primarily heterosexual males. Active pedophilic behavior generally starts slowing down around age 35; the child molester generally continues his victimization until he is no longer physically able due to age, illness, injury, or incarceration.

Female Pedophiles are extremely rare; this disorder is considered an affliction of heterosexual males. Child molesters are primarily males, although there are a small but significant percentage of female offenders.

Warning Signs That Your Child May Have Been Sexually Victimized

Sleep disturbances, nightmares, won’t/can’t sleep alone, problems getting to sleep

Preoccupation with sexually explicit knowledge that is inappropriate for child’s developmental age

Behavioral re-enactments of molestation (more likely with children under age 6)

Difficulty relaxing (irritable, panicky, clingy)

Exaggerated startle response (jumpy)

Wavering between withdrawal, friendliness and aggressive outbursts

Trauma specific fears (refusal to visit someone or somewhere that s/he has previously enjoyed) and/or fears of the mundane (of the darkness, strangers, being alone, being outside, being away from you, animals)

Deliberate avoidance behavior (school absenteeism, "sick" when time to go to church, ball practice, etc.)

Regressive behaviors to earlier developmental stages (bedwetting, thumb-sucking)

Loss of ability to enjoy previously enjoyable activities

Withdrawal from friends/playmates and usual activity

 

[joeskidbeck]

But not enough sense to look it up?

A pedophile is defined as one affected with pedophilia.

Pedophilia is defined as a perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.

Your definition is lacking.

I dont even understand why RDI is so adamant about no pedophilia and only 'child molestation'. It sure seems like a very thin and almost no line between the two. How does RDI characterize the injuries? Sexually assaulted? Molested? Accidental? What?

A man who is sexually attracted to male children is not considered a homosexual: He is a pedophile.

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/explaining-pedophilia

This man could then go back to adult relationships. Still a pedophile because he was sexually attracted:

These people, Siracusa says, are called "regressed offenders" because they have literally regressed: They lose the social skills they need to deal with other adults, which makes children more attractive to them. Regressed offenders may "bounce back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children.

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Thats just absurd.

BBM

Excuse me? My definition is lacking? Lacking what? Oh I see, you don't think "deviant sexual desires for children would mean the same thing as "a perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object". Come on, you don't even believe that. I didn't quote a doctor or clinician so I must be lacking. That's fine with me. I know what a pedophile is, wish I didn't, but I do.

 

[Agatha_C]

Sorry, I forgot to include the link....

http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/pedophilia_and_molestation.htm