Norway Norway - Isdalen, WhtFem 503UFNOR, multiple aliases, multilingual, Nov'70

[snooptroop88]

At least some of her aliases are interestingly linked to artists in terms of surnames. And there's some interesting connections on the fake addresses.

Finella Lorck
Carl Lorck, artist born in Trondheim (a city she stayed in)
His works at National Gallery of Art: Skipsgutten (1861) and Handelsjøden i loshytten (1863)

Claudia Tielt
Pierart dou Tielt
medieval minaturist & bookbinder, active in Tournai (Belgium)
Produced works related to Black Death mass burials, and seeing him associated with a depiction of Jews burned at the stake in Black Death persecutions, miniature by Pierart dou Tielt
She gives address on Place Saint-Walburge, there's no "place," but there is a hill Montagne Sainte-Walburge in Liege, Belgium
She gave another address for this alias at Rue de la Madeleine, this street does exist in Brussels.

Claudia Nielsen
Multiple Danish artists named Nielsen
one noted for cubism, another for animal sculptures, another corroborated with Disney
This alias address includes Rue Sainte-Walburge, this street does appear to exist in Liege, Belgium, and a church of this name is on the street of the same name. But this may be some translation error, I don't know. I don't think so, though.

Alexia Zarna-Herchez (sources keep saying Merches or Merchez, I agree on the "z," disagree on the "m")
Ernest Herchez, etchings
Rue St. Hildegaarde is given as the street on the address, the closest I can come on this one is
a street "Rue Hildegard von Bingen" in Luxembourg City, Luxembourg, a central street within the city.

Vera Jarle
(Jarle is far more often a first name in Norwegian and very rare as a surname)
There's a Jarle Rosseland, Norwegian painter, sculptor, and printmaker born in 1952. He exhibited at the Norwegian National Annual Autumn Exhibition at age 18 in 1970

Genevieve Lancier
If there's an artist with the surname "Lancier," I'm not seeing that, I'm flooded with works with "Lancier" in the title; lancier is French for lancer or spearman
I'm seeing Danes do a dance called "les Lanciers"
This alias address includes Rue Sainte-Walburge, this street does exist in Liege, Belgium, and a church of this name is on the street of the same name.

Elisabeth Leenhouwers
appears to be a common surname in the Netherlands
No artists for this surname that I located, however, the address included Philipstockstraat, and this street does exist in Bruges in Belgian province of West Flanders, which borders the French Flanders region.

All the addresses she gave were Brussels, with the exception of one, Leuven, a city in Belgian Flanders that's been a university town since the 15th century. All birthplaces were Belgium with the exception of one in Slovenia. She's obviously pretty crafty, so if she listed Slovenian, she knew she wouldn't be second-guessed for being Slovenian. Checking online, it would not be easily possible to distinguish between someone from Slovenia and someone from Romania. I know some people are convinced her native tongue would be a romance language, and Romania would be in line with that. I used to wonder if she might be Italian, but as I search, seeing Italians do not generally resemble Slovenians.

 

[fred&edna]

At least some of her aliases are interestingly linked to artists in terms of surnames. And there's some interesting connections on the fake addresses.

Finella Lorck
Carl Lorck, artist born in Trondheim (a city she stayed in)
His works at National Gallery of Art: Skipsgutten (1861) and Handelsjøden i loshytten (1863)

Claudia Tielt
Pierart dou Tielt
medieval minaturist & bookbinder, active in Tournai (Belgium)
Produced works related to Black Death mass burials, and seeing him associated with a depiction of Jews burned at the stake in Black Death persecutions, miniature by Pierart dou Tielt
She gives address on Place Saint-Walburge, there's no "place," but there is a hill Montagne Sainte-Walburge in Liege, Belgium
She gave another address for this alias at Rue de la Madeleine, this street does exist in Brussels.

Claudia Nielsen
Multiple Danish artists named Nielsen
one noted for cubism, another for animal sculptures, another corroborated with Disney
This alias address includes Rue Sainte-Walburge, this street does appear to exist in Liege, Belgium, and a church of this name is on the street of the same name. But this may be some translation error, I don't know. I don't think so, though.

Alexia Zarna-Herchez (sources keep saying Merches or Merchez, I agree on the "z," disagree on the "m")
Ernest Herchez, etchings
Rue St. Hildegaarde is given as the street on the address, the closest I can come on this one is
a street "Rue Hildegard von Bingen" in Luxembourg City, Luxembourg, a central street within the city.

Vera Jarle
(Jarle is far more often a first name in Norwegian and very rare as a surname)
There's a Jarle Rosseland, Norwegian painter, sculptor, and printmaker born in 1952. He exhibited at the Norwegian National Annual Autumn Exhibition at age 18 in 1970

Genevieve Lancier
If there's an artist with the surname "Lancier," I'm not seeing that, I'm flooded with works with "Lancier" in the title; lancier is French for lancer or spearman
I'm seeing Danes do a dance called "les Lanciers"
This alias address includes Rue Sainte-Walburge, this street does exist in Liege, Belgium, and a church of this name is on the street of the same name.

Elisabeth Leenhouwers
appears to be a common surname in the Netherlands
No artists for this surname that I located, however, the address included Philipstockstraat, and this street does exist in Bruges in Belgian province of West Flanders, which borders the French Flanders region.

All the addresses she gave were Brussels, with the exception of one, Leuven, a city in Belgian Flanders that's been a university town since the 15th century. All birthplaces were Belgium with the exception of one in Slovenia. She's obviously pretty crafty, so if she listed Slovenian, she knew she wouldn't be second-guessed for being Slovenian. Checking online, it would not be easily possible to distinguish between someone from Slovenia and someone from Romania. I know some people are convinced her native tongue would be a romance language, and Romania would be in line with that. I used to wonder if she might be Italian, but as I search, seeing Italians do not generally resemble Slovenians.

something about this woman and art. i continue to believe there is/was an illicit connection to the art world. this has been written about in some very good detail and has been mentioned in posts here on the thread. i'm not convinced of their final conclusions but it's the best premise, yet. it makes more sense to me than the theory of this woman being a government agent.

completely my opinions.

 

[Sweet Liberty My Arm!]

At least some of her aliases are interestingly linked to artists in terms of surnames. And there's some interesting connections on the fake addresses.

Finella Lorck
Carl Lorck, artist born in Trondheim (a city she stayed in)
His works at National Gallery of Art: Skipsgutten (1861) and Handelsjøden i loshytten (1863)

Claudia Tielt
Pierart dou Tielt
medieval minaturist & bookbinder, active in Tournai (Belgium)
Produced works related to Black Death mass burials, and seeing him associated with a depiction of Jews burned at the stake in Black Death persecutions, miniature by Pierart dou Tielt
She gives address on Place Saint-Walburge, there's no "place," but there is a hill Montagne Sainte-Walburge in Liege, Belgium
She gave another address for this alias at Rue de la Madeleine, this street does exist in Brussels.

Claudia Nielsen
Multiple Danish artists named Nielsen
one noted for cubism, another for animal sculptures, another corroborated with Disney
This alias address includes Rue Sainte-Walburge, this street does appear to exist in Liege, Belgium, and a church of this name is on the street of the same name. But this may be some translation error, I don't know. I don't think so, though.

Alexia Zarna-Herchez (sources keep saying Merches or Merchez, I agree on the "z," disagree on the "m")
Ernest Herchez, etchings
Rue St. Hildegaarde is given as the street on the address, the closest I can come on this one is
a street "Rue Hildegard von Bingen" in Luxembourg City, Luxembourg, a central street within the city.

Vera Jarle
(Jarle is far more often a first name in Norwegian and very rare as a surname)
There's a Jarle Rosseland, Norwegian painter, sculptor, and printmaker born in 1952. He exhibited at the Norwegian National Annual Autumn Exhibition at age 18 in 1970

Genevieve Lancier
If there's an artist with the surname "Lancier," I'm not seeing that, I'm flooded with works with "Lancier" in the title; lancier is French for lancer or spearman
I'm seeing Danes do a dance called "les Lanciers"
This alias address includes Rue Sainte-Walburge, this street does exist in Liege, Belgium, and a church of this name is on the street of the same name.

Elisabeth Leenhouwers
appears to be a common surname in the Netherlands
No artists for this surname that I located, however, the address included Philipstockstraat, and this street does exist in Bruges in Belgian province of West Flanders, which borders the French Flanders region.

All the addresses she gave were Brussels, with the exception of one, Leuven, a city in Belgian Flanders that's been a university town since the 15th century. All birthplaces were Belgium with the exception of one in Slovenia. She's obviously pretty crafty, so if she listed Slovenian, she knew she wouldn't be second-guessed for being Slovenian. Checking online, it would not be easily possible to distinguish between someone from Slovenia and someone from Romania. I know some people are convinced her native tongue would be a romance language, and Romania would be in line with that. I used to wonder if she might be Italian, but as I search, seeing Italians do not generally resemble Slovenians.

this is great research on your part, impressive!

 

[Lorrie]

I wonder what you think she did in the places she went to?

Oppdal who is one of the places the police think she went thru was a small place with about 5000 inhabitants in the 1970-ies. As a foreigner in a place most known for its wintersport but still not much foreign tourism at that time she would stand out as sore thumb there. Certainly not a place known for art or artmuseums. The train who goes thru Oppdal was a very important transport way for the military to transport persons and cargo. The area was also known for military training.

Åndalsnes was most known for mountain climbing and industry with about 2000 inhabitants in 1970-ies. It was also the place where the Norwegian bullion stock where transported from in 1940. It was also a small military base there and the place was like Oppdal known as an important military transport and training area. No any artmuseum there either. She would stood out as sore thumb there too.

Bergen, Oslo, Trondheim and Stavanger was cities with important military bases close by. Mainly the Navy in Bergen and Stavanger and Nato bases close to all 4 cities. The air forces where in Stavanger and Trondheim. The main quarter for all military forces where and still is in Oslo.

All 4 cities have artmuseums and it was artschools in all cities but Stavanger. Jarle as a last name would stand out and give people a reason to remember her. Although it was a swedish filmdirector named Stefan Jarl at that time. Jarl is a known last name in Sweden - Jarle is not a last name in Norway at all. But it means Earl in english. I have never heard about Jarle Rosseland before.

Carl Lorck was an forgotten Norwegian artist until late 1970-1980. He was apparently known when he lived. But maybe he was more famous in Netherland.

 

[snooptroop88]

Thinking it may be part of a drug smuggling operation./heroin, and we know she was deep out in a remote area on this one occasion because she died there, otherwise we'd have no awareness she was ever in some remote area. But actually, she may have been making forays into such remote regions routinely during her travels for deliveries, pickups, etc. That skin cream she had is for eczema/skin irritation., and in terms of the terrain she might have been encountering, she may have needed it quite frequently. Contemporary drug mules go to great, great extremes in the day-to-day commission of their activities, and this may involve life-threatening forays into & over dangerous terrain, that's my understanding, anyway. Probably largely true then as well. Alternatively, maybe she was part of some heroin smuggling racket and seldom made such forays, or had never made one. When asked to do so, this may have alarmed her, prompting her to deposit the bags into the locker. I know someone really early on on here was speculating about the heroin, I really do think they may be right. I think the spoons served multiple purposes for her.

The art-- I know some people think she's into the art theft/smuggling, and maybe so. I tend to think she had an artsy type of background, maybe even an art major in university. But her primary interest in arts around the time of her passing might have been supply of drugs for artists and people into the arts. Plenty of high-profile busts of artists in that timeframe. And some demand among those in military service at this time, too.

This is all pure speculation, though. There are a million things that could have happened with this woman. I hope they somehow figure out who she is. How she got there might help with that. But in this case, I don't think that's an SK, and I just don't think LE's got enough to get a perp without knowing her identity first. Plenty of people operating the drug routes into Europe at that time, it's too large a pool for LE to even try to draw from, and that's even in terms of the players they'd have been aware of, I would think. And that's all provided it was indeed murder and not suicide, which certainly seems quite plausible.

 

[fred&edna]

wasn't she reported to have been seen in oppdal with the italian photographer... as well as oslo i think he knew her identity and the reason/s for her traveling. and, if memory serves... he told several untruths about her and himself. i think their meet-ups were important. he traveled in some different circles.

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

until something new comes along.... my opinions on this case may be wrong but i'm stickin' to 'em. i think i've posted the same theory over and over... just a broken record of the same thoughts.

seriously though, i do hope she is eventually identified and her story is made public.

jmo

 

[Clue Keeper]

Thinking it may be part of a drug smuggling operation./heroin, and we know she was deep out in a remote area on this one occasion because she died there, otherwise we'd have no awareness she was ever in some remote area. But actually, she may have been making forays into such remote regions routinely during her travels for deliveries, pickups, etc. That skin cream she had is for eczema/skin irritation., and in terms of the terrain she might have been encountering, she may have needed it quite frequently. Contemporary drug mules go to great, great extremes in the day-to-day commission of their activities, and this may involve life-threatening forays into & over dangerous terrain, that's my understanding, anyway. Probably largely true then as well. Alternatively, maybe she was part of some heroin smuggling racket and seldom made such forays, or had never made one. When asked to do so, this may have alarmed her, prompting her to deposit the bags into the locker. I know someone really early on on here was speculating about the heroin, I really do think they may be right. I think the spoons served multiple purposes for her.

The art-- I know some people think she's into the art theft/smuggling, and maybe so. I tend to think she had an artsy type of background, maybe even an art major in university. But her primary interest in arts around the time of her passing might have been supply of drugs for artists and people into the arts. Plenty of high-profile busts of artists in that timeframe. And some demand among those in military service at this time, too.

This is all pure speculation, though. There are a million things that could have happened with this woman. I hope they somehow figure out who she is. How she got there might help with that. But in this case, I don't think that's an SK, and I just don't think LE's got enough to get a perp without knowing her identity first. Plenty of people operating the drug routes into Europe at that time, it's too large a pool for LE to even try to draw from, and that's even in terms of the players they'd have been aware of, I would think. And that's all provided it was indeed murder and not suicide, which certainly seems quite plausible.

You know, the fact that she picked aliases matching artists’ surnames from the places she visited - that’s not random. In the postwar art world, especially in the ’60s and ’70s, things were messy---records lost, ownership unclear, and no real system to track stolen pieces. If she was involved in art deals, even on the fringes, using those names could’ve helped her blend in, gain trust, or even suggest she had some legitimate connection. It’s like walking into a gallery and dropping the right name---people listen differently. Whether she was moving art, scouting pieces, or just playing a role, those aliases feel more like tools than coincidences.
Just my opinion

 

[snooptroop88]

Witness who said he saw her at Floyen. Dressed for the city, jmo her rubber boots weren't elegant city, And witness doesn't mention an umbrella. Witness evidently saw her afternoon of 22nd. That day and her death-- these are two separate events, the sighting and the day she died. It's actually impossible that it's the same event; hotel staff saw Isdal woman alive the 23rd, and that's when she put the bags in the locker. So she was back at the hotel, she didn't stay out there overnight Sunday the 22nd to Monday the 23rd. I checked the timing it would take on her checkout the 23rd to end up producing smoke in the valley by about noon. Did she check out at 5 to 7 am on Monday morning-- almost a week before they found the body? It's just a guesstimate on the time-- and possibly she did. But even if she did, that's not one continuous event, it's two. She came back to the hotel after the encounter with the creepy two men and evidently suddenly decided to kill herself or settled on killing herself by setting herself on fire-- even on a wet day in a potentially soggy environment, so uncertain of the weather conditions that she's-- packing an umbrella and basically wearing what look almost like wading boots?? She had those items since Stavenger. The need for boots and umbrella was not unplanned. If the suicide were planned, it undoubtedly wouldn't be planned for a day with rain, not with the fire involved. There's something very unsettling with the way the variables on all of this don't come together.

Not saying I don't think it's her that the man saw at Floyen, I think it likely is her. But this wasn't the day she was either killed or committed suicide, jmo. It was at the earliest the day before, and I personally don't think it WAS the day before. Could it have been? I mean, maybe. They scared her senseless, evidently, but she made her way away from them, she's at the hotel the next day. But if they inspired the sudden decision on the suicide, wasn't she afraid they were watching her as she walked out to Isdalen? And if they weren't the inspiration behind the suicide, why not wait for a day to set yourself on fire when you're sure it's not going to rain? And what was the inspiration, then, for the umbrella and boots? My guess: That is something else.

She left those bags at the locker. If she really thought she'd kill herself, why leave them at all? Why not bury them somewhere, or burn the contents right along with her body? I would think she'd go to the trouble of finding out what happens to unclaimed items if she were planning to kill herself, she was so meticulous about everything else. She clearly didn't "really" want these items discovered. All they really gave was more layers to a mystery. I highly doubt she didn't check into the policy for unclaimed baggage if she really meant to kill herself, and I think she'd have been more direct in what she left behind. Not so cryptic. That may have been an attempt to hide items from parties other than LE.

On the maps, the site at Isdalen, if you were to walk it with the directions I have, you'd wrap pretty much all around a pretty sizeable lake. I've looked this up, why might such a thing be of interest to drug traffickers? Because out in the wilds like that, you want some sure sign you'll see your contact. "Meet me by the lake." This makes a lot of sense to me.

I looked up why she might have had August and September off if she were a drug trafficker. The harvests complete at different times on these origination points and routes. They'd be into warehoused opium on the Golden Triangle at that point, I think, based on what I saw. Maybe supply's low or out. Golden Crescent would be even more in line with her time off, they end their harvest in spring. It's cyclical and seasonal, and I think this may be reflected in her log, but I'm guessing we don't have all the pages. I really do think the people encouraging this drug trafficking theory early on may be right.

 

[fred&edna]

how thoroughly was the photographer investigated. the officials had proof he met with this woman more than once in different locations... and from what i remember... none of her other contacts were identified. i don't believe their relationship was just romantic, personal nor casual.

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

Witness who said he saw her at Floyen. Dressed for the city, jmo her rubber boots weren't elegant city, And witness doesn't mention an umbrella. Witness evidently saw her afternoon of 22nd. That day and her death-- these are two separate events, the sighting and the day she died. It's actually impossible that it's the same event; hotel staff saw Isdal woman alive the 23rd, and that's when she put the bags in the locker. So she was back at the hotel, she didn't stay out there overnight Sunday the 22nd to Monday the 23rd. I checked the timing it would take on her checkout the 23rd to end up producing smoke in the valley by about noon. Did she check out at 5 to 7 am on Monday morning-- almost a week before they found the body? It's just a guesstimate on the time-- and possibly she did. But even if she did, that's not one continuous event, it's two. She came back to the hotel after the encounter with the creepy two men and evidently suddenly decided to kill herself or settled on killing herself by setting herself on fire-- even on a wet day in a potentially soggy environment, so uncertain of the weather conditions that she's-- packing an umbrella and basically wearing what look almost like wading boots?? She had those items since Stavenger. The need for boots and umbrella was not unplanned. If the suicide were planned, it undoubtedly wouldn't be planned for a day with rain, not with the fire involved. There's something very unsettling with the way the variables on all of this don't come together.

Not saying I don't think it's her that the man saw at Floyen, I think it likely is her. But this wasn't the day she was either killed or committed suicide, jmo. It was at the earliest the day before, and I personally don't think it WAS the day before. Could it have been? I mean, maybe. They scared her senseless, evidently, but she made her way away from them, she's at the hotel the next day. But if they inspired the sudden decision on the suicide, wasn't she afraid they were watching her as she walked out to Isdalen? And if they weren't the inspiration behind the suicide, why not wait for a day to set yourself on fire when you're sure it's not going to rain? And what was the inspiration, then, for the umbrella and boots? My guess: That is something else.

She left those bags at the locker. If she really thought she'd kill herself, why leave them at all? Why not bury them somewhere, or burn the contents right along with her body? I would think she'd go to the trouble of finding out what happens to unclaimed items if she were planning to kill herself, she was so meticulous about everything else. She clearly didn't "really" want these items discovered. All they really gave was more layers to a mystery. I highly doubt she didn't check into the policy for unclaimed baggage if she really meant to kill herself, and I think she'd have been more direct in what she left behind. Not so cryptic. That may have been an attempt to hide items from parties other than LE.

On the maps, the site at Isdalen, if you were to walk it with the directions I have, you'd wrap pretty much all around a pretty sizeable lake. I've looked this up, why might such a thing be of interest to drug traffickers? Because out in the wilds like that, you want some sure sign you'll see your contact. "Meet me by the lake." This makes a lot of sense to me.

I looked up why she might have had August and September off if she were a drug trafficker. The harvests complete at different times on these origination points and routes. They'd be into warehoused opium on the Golden Triangle at that point, I think, based on what I saw. Maybe supply's low or out. Golden Crescent would be even more in line with her time off, they end their harvest in spring. It's cyclical and seasonal, and I think this may be reflected in her log, but I'm guessing we don't have all the pages. I really do think the people encouraging this drug trafficking theory early on may be right.

interesting... lots of food for thought.

do you happen to know the 'typical'' routes of import/distribution to that area... in general... in the 70's. how plentiful is the documentation for arrests or seizures of drugs during that time/area.

 

[fred&edna]

ooh... even a quick search provided this from 1976.

DRUGS: Heroin Rides an Orient Express

> Whirring over the highlands near the borders of Laos and Thailand, American-supplied Huey helicopters disgorge Burmese troopers; despite a fusillade of small-arms fire, they capture and-destroy...

time.com

truly interesting.

jmo

and i'll add... the idea of smuggling drugs inside art, sculptures, and/or antiquities etc is a likely angle.

 

[Lorrie]

Then why choose a place that they almost certainly will meet locals out walking both in the daytime and evenings? And you have to be local to find Isdalen...
It is a very rugged terrain there and only one way to walk in and out if you dont want to be hiking in the mountains.

 

[snooptroop88]

interesting... lots of food for thought.

do you happen to know the 'typical'' routes of import/distribution to that area... in general... in the 70's. how plentiful is the documentation for arrests or seizures of drugs during that time/area.

Golden Triangle is Laos, Burma, Thailand intersection. This is one massive source of production that comes into Western Europe in various ways. In this timeframe, Netherlands is a key transit point, Amsterdam is especially hot across the board with heroin trade. I've also seen Paris and London llisted as key cities, part of the reason I'm so interested in the "P," "L," and especially "A" on Isdal woman's log. I've seen Golden Triangle referenced with Heroin #4 and "China White." (Sources vary considerably on some of these details, I'm looking at article now that more associates them with Heroin #3) Good 1975 NYT article:

Amsterdam Called Center of Heroin Traffic (Published 1975)

www.nytimes.com

I've seen that they shipped into Amsterdam, but also on other sources that they shipped into Paris.
And map from another source:

Then there's Golden Crescent, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan. This is brown heroin. This is another massive source that travels over different routes, most noted is the Balkan Route. The heroin moves into Bulgaria and branches off from there into different areas of Europe. Romania is noted as a transit country, even in communist era. Turkish organized crime was huge in controlling the Balkan Route in the 1970s.

Golden Crescent:

 

[fred&edna]

Then why choose a place that they almost certainly will meet locals out walking both in the daytime and evenings? And you have to be local to find Isdalen...
It is a very rugged terrain there and only one way to walk in and out if you dont want to be hiking in the mountains.

good questions.

just some thoughts... which may or may not be plausible

choosing a place they may be noticed could be based on a need to create an alibi for something later.... unknown to us.

maybe the photographer had planned an isdalen valley photo taking 'ruse' for a meeting place.

again, all good questions.

 

[fred&edna]

Golden Triangle is Laos, Burma, Thailand intersection. This is one massive source of production that comes into Western Europe in various ways. In this timeframe, Netherlands is a key transit point, Amsterdam is especially hot across the board with heroin trade. I've also seen Paris and London llisted as key cities, part of the reason I'm so interested in the "P," "L," and especially "A" on Isdal woman's log. I've seen Golden Triangle referenced with Heroin #4, "China White." Good 1975 NYT article:

Amsterdam Called Center of Heroin Traffic (Published 1975)

www.nytimes.com

I've seen that they shipped into Amsterdam, but also on other sources that they shipped into Paris.
And map from another source:
View attachment 610413

Then there's Golden Crescent, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan. This is brown heroin. This is another massive source that travels over different routes, most noted is the Balkan Route. The heroin moves into Bulgaria and branches off from there into different areas of Europe. Romania is noted as a transit country, even in communist era. Turkish organized crime was huge in controlling the Balkan Route in the 1970s.

Golden Crescent:
View attachment 610402

thank you ... great explanations, links and visuals

eta... this theory is finally 'clicking' for me.

 

[Lorrie]

Well, is a place named death valley localy even before she died there a place to meet up? It is not really a place where you would take postcard photos from. She would know that if she had been at Fløyen because you can look down there from Fløyen. I would rather think the mountains close to Fløyen or Ulriken would be more scenic and much easier to find for tourists and to be more private.

And if you went for a walk there with a bag full of something heavy and climbing up where she was found it would have been very suspicous. No one walks there with a backpack either, it is nowhere to sit to eat.

 

[fred&edna]

Well, is a place named death valley localy even before she died there a place to meet up? It is not really a place where you would take postcard photos from. She would know that if she had been at Fløyen because you can look down there from Fløyen. I would rather think the mountains close to Fløyen or Ulriken would be more scenic and much easier to find for tourists and to be more private.

And if you went for a walk there with a bag full of something heavy and climbing up where she was found it would have been very suspicous. No one walks there with a backpack either, it is nowhere to sit to eat.

he didn't just take postcard photos. and, i've seen vintage photos from very scary/non-scenic areas from many places throughout the world. not all photos are taken to be sold. but, as i stated before... good questions.

what's your theory/answers.

what was the father and his two little girls - the ones who found her body - doing there. i guess they were locals used to walking there. did locals and their children walk around death valley daily, weekly, often, rarely. if suicide, did she think her body wouldn't be found quickly, or if murder, did the killer/s think she wouldn't be found... or was concealment of her body unimportant either way.

 

[Lorrie]

Yes, they did! I lived not far from there for several years and it was the closest place we had to go for a walk so we went there very often. All my friends and other people from the area. Several times a week both daytime and evenings thru the year. Although all the folklore and stories from there was really creapy it was nowhere else to go for a short walk nearby if you didnt want to walk on the cementary where she is buried or around in the streets. It was and still is a walking trail up and down from both the Ulriken mountain and Fløyen mountain from there and since we lived closeby it was normal to walk Svartediket and Isdalen up. It was very expensive in the 1970-ies to take the Ulriken cable car up and down, and the funicular to Fløyen too so people walked up and down.

Every year since 1948 it has been an annual hiking event called 7 mountains hike where you go up Ulriken under the cable car and down to the Isdalen not far from where she was found. And then in the other end of the lake up to Fløyen. I have done that several times myself both the hiking event and other times. It is one of the most popular hiking events in Bergen! You should do that and see for yourself!

It has been very popular to hike over "vidden"- the mountain plateau too. You go up Fløyen or Ulriken and all the mountains inbetween an down the other mountain.

 

[fred&edna]

Yes, they did! I lived not far from there for several years and it was the closest place we had to go for a walk so we went there very often. All my friends and other people from the area. Several times a week both daytime and evenings thru the year. Although all the folklore and stories from there was really creapy it was nowhere else to go for a short walk nearby if you didnt want to walk on the cemetary where she is buried or around in the streets. It was and still is a walking trail up and down from both the Ulriken mountain and Fløyen mountain from there and since we lived closeby it was normal to walk Svartediket and Isdalen up. It was very expensive in the 1970-ies to take the Ulriken cable car up and down, and the funicular to Fløyen too so people walked up and down.

Every year since 1948 it has been an annual hiking event called 7 mountains hike where you go up Ulriken under the cable car and down to the Isdalen not far from where she was found. And then in the other end of the lake up to Fløyen. I have done that several times myself both the hiking event and other times. It is one of the most popular hiking events in Bergen! You should do that and see for yourself!

It has been very popular to hike over "vidden"- the mountain plateau too. You go up Fløyen or Ulriken and all the mountains inbetween an down the other mountain.

since 1948.... nice to keep the annual hiking trek going for so many years. sounds very nice. would love to visit someday.

i could imagine someone local mentioning this area to an outsider or maybe the woman and/or the photographer heard locals discussing the area and/or it's folklore. some people may be more interested in local areas than typical tourist locations.

do you have theories, suggestions or answers to the questions you posted. do you have a theory of the woman's identity or reasons for her travels in norway.