Norway Norway - Oslo, WhtFem 20-30, Fake Name, shot in hotel room, Jun'95

[Mireille]

more from the bathroom photo.

What appears to be a red dot on the end of the faucet. Possibly handle. Vague red circle by the soap.

 

[Beekarina]

I think her wrist looks in a very bent and unnatural position. Almost looks like she has a broken wrist or her wrist is made of rubber judging by the bend in it.
There is no way, in my opinion, that is a natural grip on that gun, even holding it backwards. I think it was posed that way by someone else.

Agree. Could this be more evidence of possible doctoring?

It never made sense to me why someone would shoot themselves in this grip/position?

 

[Mireille]

Guys....
I need to ask.

See these two bloodspatters?
There was one shot through her head yes?
Why are there two blood-spatter streaks going up like that. one from each pool of blood.

 

[Beekarina]

Those paper stands....they typically have a couple of local menus, things of that nature? Would have been laminated?

Possibly removed because they had prints on them?

 

[Beekarina]

Guys....
I need to ask.
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See these two bloodspatters?
There was one shot through her head yes?
Why are there two blood-spatter streaks going up like that. one from each pool of blood.

Someone moved her, or someone moved something blood-soaked?

 

[Mireille]

The spatter is impact spatter. The thin spread blood-drops.
Which happens on high-impact, like a bullet going through someone's head. They will go in the same direction as the shot.

There are two pools, and two such streaks. Which , is confusing, since for it to happen, something high impact would have to happen twice? no?

The thinner and more, uh, "mist" like I suppose....?
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They both go in a sort of....similar direction.

 

[annpats]

I'm not sure they look like 'splatter marks' as such, they look too heavy and there's not enough of them.....To me, it looks more like the blood had heavily dripped onto the carpet.

It also looks a bit smeared too by the pink square, like someone accidentally trod in the blood or something....
IMO

 

[Beekarina]

Ok. I don't want to seem disgusting, but if we're talking about impact and a head shot, why do we only see blood? Wouldn't we see bone, other matter? All I see is blood. I wonder if she was moved and posed on the bed

 

[Mireille]

Ok. I don't want to seem disgusting, but if we're talking about impact and a head shot, why do we only see blood? Wouldn't we see bone, other matter? All I see is blood. I wonder if she was moved and posed on the bed

Well there is an image of the...bed, I can dm you it if you like. It is....a lot of blood, and not as weird as the other pictures but you will see the pillow with the gunshot through it tucked away at the top of the bed. And a lot of blood.

Appears I can not DM you.

 

[Beekarina]

I think I have seen it. Is it from the VG piece? I'm just wondering if we can trust anything about this.

Maybe she died from something other than a gun shot?

 

[annpats]

Here is a blonde male hair, that has come out by the root (the follicle is still in tact). This is to the right side of the bed.

Do you think it's a hair? I'm not sure. I think it looks too thick to be a hair. Looks almost like a plastic tag you might find on new clothing.

Those pink squares on the carpet are approx. 5-6cm across, so this would have to be a big hair. Plus it looks white and plastic-ish to me.

 

[Beekarina]

Here is what I'm confused by: the post-mortem photo, the gunshot wound appears to be between her eyes? How was that possible laying down on a bed?

 

[annpats]

So, the cutlery is placed neatly to the left side. I am right handed, and tend to put them on the right.
We know she ate the food.
Do we know what hand she had the watch on?

If she is left handed, it would be very odd for her to shoot herself with her right hand.

The position of the cutlery to the left of the plate doesn't mean much. She's just placed it to one side, away from the sauce sachets.
She's definitely right-handed. Look:
The fork is on the left, and the knife is on the right. That is how a right-handed person would hold them. (Fork in left hand, knife in right.) It would be the other way around for a leftie.

The empty sauce sachets are on the right side, that to me also indicates right-handedness.

 

[annpats]

Here is what I'm confused by: the post-mortem photo, the gunshot wound appears to be between her eyes? How was that possible laying down on a bed?

Exactly!
If she was sitting up and shot herself, she would have probably slumped forward onto the floor. She certainly wouldn't have ended up laying down in that position she was found...

If she was laying down when she shot herself, then her arms and hands wouldn't be down in the position they were found in, all nice and neat around the gun. .....

 

[Mireille]

The position of the cutlery to the left of the plate doesn't mean much. She's just placed it to one side, away from the sauce sachets.
She's definitely right-handed. Look:
The fork is on the left, and the knife is on the right. That is how a right-handed person would hold them. (Fork in left hand, knife in right.) It would be the other way around for a leftie.

The empty sauce sachets are on the right side, that to me also indicates right-handedness.

Good point. Great observation.
The sauce sachets, the empty ones? are on the left. The chair was placed, according to other photos to the left of this photo. Not in front. The small things in the holder is salt and pepper (blue and red)

Wonder if her food held any.....drugs of some sort...? I am sort of wondering if she was drugged somehow, and that made her unconscious/fall asleep ....Made her an easy victim to someone. Oh well. Need to catch up on some sleep. Goodnight you lovely sleuths!

 

[Beekarina]

What is visible of her neck is also a mess....Which may not indicate anything, but if she shot herself laying down, in that awkward position, with a high powered gun like that one, wouldn't she have blown her chin off?

I have heard the post-mortem image widely available online is edited between her eyes, and can sort of see this. Her hair is relatively neat. Her face is neat. Just a faint hint of darkness under her eyes, but considering.....?

Any thoughts? Anyone look at that image in more detail?

 

[Beekarina]

Good night Mireille! Think of something pleasant first! Please!

 

[Beekarina]

Someone took a shower. We do not know that it was "Jennifer."

Perhaps someone needed to clean up? 15 minutes is enough time to do that and leave....

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Those paper stands....they typically have a couple of local menus, things of that nature? Would have been laminated?

Possibly removed because they had prints on them?

Yes good call. Or spatter of some sort.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Do you think it's a hair? I'm not sure. I think it looks too thick to be a hair. Looks almost like a plastic tag you might find on new clothing.

Those pink squares on the carpet are approx. 5-6cm across, so this would have to be a big hair. Plus it looks white and plastic-ish to me.

When you consider the bullet casing next to it is only 9mm wide, I definitely think it’s a hair. A thick hair maybe, but it’s just too thin to be a tie or something else I can think of. It’s under 1mm wide.