Norway Norway - Oslo, WhtFem 20-30, Fake Name, shot in hotel room, Jun'95

[branmuffin]

Then I am a little puzzled as to what the red dots could be, if they are not blood. Moles do not tend to be this red, and they are not on other images I saw, and on the images drawn of her, they have put moles other places (only one in place of the image, which is her chin) They are all roughly the same size as well.

I don't know if you seen the bed-picture that is widely available online, but there is no blood-spatter there on the bed's headboard. No brain matter either. There is however on the wall above the bed, and slightly to the side of the bed. Not sure how it made it there.... Only on the left side of the bed.

Another image; post mortem

Here you can tell they are not present. The quality is not great, but there is no red dots. Could it have been during or right after starting to wash? Her lip still looks bruised. Chin dot is gone. Nothing on the forehead.

I saw the images of the headboard with no blowback. There was an image of the wall to the right of the bed that illustrated several blood spots further up the wall closer to the ceiling or what may be the bottom of some crown molding.

What I haven't seen is what some posters are referring to as two distinct pools of blood on the bed. Where are those images located?

 

[Mireille]

I saw the images of the headboard with no blowback. There was an image of the wall to the right of the bed that illustrated several blood spots further up the wall closer to the ceiling or what may be the bottom of some crown molding.

What I haven't seen is what some posters are referring to as two distinct pools of blood on the bed. Where are those images located?

Under the bed, let me find it for you.

Not sure if they are pools, but they are....small pools? Bullet fragments are spread around.
Source

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Agreed re: the hotel employee saying that about blood on the wall behind her.

I can't remember where it was published, but the police said she was lying down when she shot herself. If she was sat up on the edge of the bed, she'd have slumped forward.

If she was lying down, that would create the kind of blood-soak in the bed, where it is in the crime scene photos. So that makes sense.

 

[Beekarina]

The sketch of "Jennifer" has moles, but they're not in the same location?



Jennifer Fairgate

 

[annpats]

This all feels so strange. If there is a cover up, just how far ranging is it?

Very.

 

[branmuffin]

Yup, and to perform isotope testings on her teeth, which placed her mostly in parts of Germany.
""I remember there was a long queue of guests," recalls Sascha René Anonsen, an Oslo Plaza receptionist that evening. "It was all about assigning rooms as quickly as possible. We mustn’t keep the guests waiting."

Jennifer’s room had been pre-booked by phone. The hotel’s booking department registered her last name as «Fairgate», though she signed twice as Fergate.

Anonsen has a vague memory of her standing in front of the reception desk alone, checking in and receiving her room key card. He can’t say for certain.

Evy Tudem Gjertsen has a different memory, one she has stuck to for 22 years.

In her witness statement a few days after the death, she said she thought she saw the Plaza woman together with a man.

"And I still stand by that," she says today. “I’m sure she was with a man. I was at my regular station at reception, and on the other side stood that woman. Next to her was a dark-haired man."

In her statement to the police she described the man as a bit taller than the woman, maybe 185 cm, and somewhat older, possibly 35 to 40.

But was it during check-in that she saw the man, or later?

In her police statement, Tudem Gjertsen said it might have been in connection with exchanging currency that she saw the couple, and that it might have been later in the evening. In 1995, it was common for hotel guests to obtain local currency at the front desk.

"I have a feeling that the man handed money over the counter and that it may have been dollars, but I’m not sure," Tudem Gjertsen says today. "Nor can I say if the man was with her when she came. But I stand by seeing her in front of the counter with a man.""

Quote from Mystery at the Oslo Plaza


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An odd thing, though: She brought several bras with her, but seemingly no panties, apart from those she was wearing.

When she was found she was wearing stockings that held up with elasticized lace so I can see her wearing underwear with those. But she may have worn no underwear if wearing pantyhose or tights.

 

[branmuffin]

Has anyone considered the plate of half eaten food? The placement of the fork and knife were at about 7 o'clock on the plate. Etiquette for eating doesnt have this placement that I know of. Even the colonial style etiquette. If she was eating colonial style that would explain the fork on the left side of the plate but the would be facing down to follow that theory. So I'm left wondering, was she left handed, given the fork and knife were on the left side of the plate? If so, then it wouldnt be impossible, but another mystery to add to the mysteries. Her right hand, was the hand supposedly used to pull the trigger. I also find the lack of anything, esp blood splatter on her hand. Theres clearly blood coming up the barrel, but stop short of spraying even a little splatter on her hand. Why would she bring so many bras with her if she planned to kill herself. They say theres a small rolling suitcase that may be missing and possible a cute pair of shoes. Which would explain the lack of ANY bottoms at all other than the pyjama shorts she had. Also the lack of any underwear there and toiletries also. She had eyeliner on when she dies. They dont know when she put it on, but I would figure her earlier shower would have washed that off.

In terms of the placement of the cutlery. It's possible the knife and fork were placed at the 6 o'clock position but she or someone else may have moved the plate and in doing so partially turned it to 7 o'clock. I don't see anything sinister about the placement of them.

Before restaurants starting stacking our plates with protein on top of carbs, the normal way to serve food was the protein at 6 o'clock, carbs (rice, potatoes, pasta) at 11 o'clock and vegetables at 2 o'clock. That's in North America, I don't remember if the same is true in Europe. That's a pretty basic meal she ordered so I don't know how important classic plating would have been.

 

[LClapper]

Then I am a little puzzled as to what the red dots could be, if they are not blood. Moles do not tend to be this red, and they are not on other images I saw, and on the images drawn of her, they have put moles other places (only one in place of the image, which is her chin) They are all roughly the same size as well.

I don't know if you seen the bed-picture that is widely available online, but there is no blood-spatter there on the bed's headboard. No brain matter either. There is however on the wall above the bed, and slightly to the side of the bed. Not sure how it made it there.... Only on the left side of the bed.

Another image; post mortem

Here you can tell they are not present. The quality is not great, but there is no red dots. Could it have been during or right after starting to wash? Her lip still looks bruised. Chin dot is gone. Nothing on the forehead.

The red spots on her face look like cherry angiomas to me.

 

[Susikatze]

When she was found she was wearing stockings that held up with elasticized lace so I can see her wearing underwear with those. But she may have worn no underwear if wearing pantyhose or tights.

In Europe it is really uncommon to go commando. And she had moderately risque understuff in her luggage (the lacy corset bras and the thigh highs). I believe that the man may have taken the panties with him. If it was not a suicide but staged, I still suspect murder of a highclass escort. Her patron may have taken her knickers as souvenir (not uncommon).

Plus, ummm, thigh highs and a miniskirt dont do well with going commando in the outside world... i believe someone took the panties.

 

[Beekarina]

It is also possible she just liked nicer undergarments. Many women do, even if you're a more casually dressed "jeans and t-shirt" kind of style.

Those corset type bras would also be appropriate under certain types of dresses/evening wear where you would not want bra straps to show.

 

[Mireille]

In Europe it is really uncommon to go commando. And she had moderately risque understuff in her luggage (the lacy corset bras and the thigh highs). I believe that the man may have taken the panties with him. If it was not a suicide but staged, I still suspect murder of a highclass escort. Her patron may have taken her knickers as souvenir (not uncommon).

Plus, ummm, thigh highs and a miniskirt dont do well with going commando in the outside world... i believe someone took the panties.

I believe someone say they saw her with a tiny trolley-like suitcase. Like the ones flight-attendants have. I suspect her underwear was in there, and it was taken from the hotelroom by someone. She most likely had several pair of stockings/socks or something. Since she appeared to have 4 pairs of everything else. Though, none of the clothes found, would really be the thing you'd wear risque things underneath...

 

[branmuffin]

Has anyone considered the reason why the ironing board was in the room? It hadn't been requested and it wasn't normally an item to have in the room.

 

[Mireille]

Has anyone considered the reason why the ironing board was in the room? It hadn't been requested and it wasn't normally an item to have in the room.

In her wardrobe there was a shirt or blouse. Let me try to find the image.

I sort of assumed it was to iron those. It could also be that a man had a shirt needing some attention as well.

I think this is an assembly of some clothing she was wearing at the time

What was in the green bag

Source

Edit: all of these items appear to have odd white ...eh, things on them. In random places, random shapes. Is this some sort of photo problem or is this some sort of fibre on the items of clothing?

 

[annpats]

Has anyone considered the reason why the ironing board was in the room? It hadn't been requested and it wasn't normally an item to have in the room.

I wonder if it came from room 2816 along with the newspaper......?

 

[Susikatze]

The wardrobe shown above has a male casual suit jacket and a male shirt!
Rene Lezard is a high end German brand for business attire.

 

[Beekarina]

Rene Lezard also has women's clothing? What do you see that is men's?

The shirt resembles the style of Eileen Fisher to me. I'm not saying it is the brand, but rather the sort of unstructured linen or cotton type of top it favors.

 

[Beekarina]

There is another brand, more expensive, very similar name is escaping me. I am going to go browse around a luxury resale site and try to find it.

Edited: eskandar is the brand I was thinking of. It was founded in 1994 though, so not likely unless she was from NY.

If you search vintage eskandar or vintage Eileen Fisher, you will see what I mean

 

[Beekarina]

I believe someone say they saw her with a tiny trolley-like suitcase. Like the ones flight-attendants have. I suspect her underwear was in there, and it was taken from the hotelroom by someone. She most likely had several pair of stockings/socks or something. Since she appeared to have 4 pairs of everything else. Though, none of the clothes found, would really be the thing you'd wear risque things underneath...

I heard this come up a few times in the documentaries, and I found it curious how focused they were on "wheelies" being rare/unusual for the time period. Were they really? I had one then, and so did my friends. We did like to travel, liked to do the "carry on only" thing as it made life easier.

Personally, I would expect a garment bag with all of the jackets.

 

[Beekarina]

Oh wait....the buttons!

Many women do buy men's clothing though. I know I do.

I really think the sweater is from H&M. It looks incredibly ordinary/familiar.

 

[Beekarina]

Sorry for serial posting. Another thought: the 90s had a unisex fashion vibe too. I wonder if instead of a mens shirt jacket, what we actual have is a designer who was known for androgynous fashion? I'm going to see if I can find anything.

Hmmm.....What do you guys think about Dries Van Noten?