NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[jjenny]

-I can’t say I’ve heard this spun this way before.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...as-gunman-had-undiagnosed-mental-illness.html

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“Some law enforcement officials believe that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness when he gunned down 58 people from a high-rise sniper's nest during a country music festival, ABC News reported Saturday..."

Translation: they don't have any idea of his motive.

 

[bluesneakers]

-I can’t say I’ve heard this spun this way before.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...as-gunman-had-undiagnosed-mental-illness.html

Snipped:
“Some law enforcement officials believe that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness when he gunned down 58 people from a high-rise sniper's nest during a country music festival, ABC News reported Saturday.

"We have looked at literally everything," McMahill added.

It is unusual to have so few hints of a motive five days after a mass shooting. In previous mass killings or terrorist attacks, killers left notes, social media postings and information on a computer — or even phoned police”

They're out of ideas and that's their best guess. But this is way beyond mental illness.

 

[enelram]

I believe there is an explanation of the WHY this event happened. LE just has not uncovered the scenario yet.
Until complete autopsy results are in no one can make any conclusions yet. I'm surprised LE is even discussing this
at this time, since tox screens aren't back yet. ME must have given a preliminary ok on brain inspection. Depending on how much the frontal area was damaged, this could be totally inconclusive or inaccurate.

Here's what I'd like more information on:
What was his history of taking anti-depressants? SSRI's ?
When was his last physical assessment? Any cardiovascular problems?
More info on who and why about the Valium prescription
Comments from his mother about his childhood behavior and her reactions to it (if she would be truthful, many parents
perpetuate DENIAL regarding this) don't want to accept their role in his emotional problems.
Comments from girlfriends and ex-wives on his behavior and drug habits.
His recreational drug history
His lifelong drinking history
Results of any MRI's or brain scans at time of his slip/fall accident in 2012- was blood test done at this time of treatment?
Did he have history of Domestic Violence/Abuse?
Temper Tantrums? Road Rage?
History of being tested for STD's- Syphilis is known to attack brain if not property treated and/or eradicated. hint: rash
on hands is one symptom, psychotic episodes is another, even if treated may return in it's most serious form many years later. can remain dormant for many years until problems arise again. can also cause cardiovascular events.
Brothers' memories of their childhood years and SP's behavior and treatment within the family.

Had he ever sought counseling or treatment for any psychological problems?
Did he or his family attend church on regular basis?
Any behavior problems in school?
the answer is somewhere in his brain and/or life history, IMO. It's up to LE to find it.

 

[monster12]

But we would still have to have some reason for him to just have that many guns with him .

Yes, I'm not saying this was his motive. He seemed impatient and easily irritated, my own words, according to situations we've heard about. Someone brought up the music and noise level awhile back.

Someone else also posted how he would get irritated when his food didn't arrive as quick as he wanted. The article below tells how he became angry with a hotel manager when booking his Chicago hotel because he was demanding a concert view room. ( can't find an article besides from tmz and dailymail)

http://amp.tmz.com/2017/10/06/stephen-paddock-chicago-hotel-lollapalooza-vegas-shooter


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[enelram]

I'm wondering if SP didn't have 'an Addictive' personality and if his gambling and gun collecting was a factor here. Perhaps he had no inner controls on 'how much or how many' things he had in his 'collection. One gun wasn't enough, he had to 'collect 45 of them. No inner controls on how much or how often he gambled. He spent hours on end satisfying his addiction. His claim to making money and winning assuaged the addiction.

Also would like to know if he was a long term cocaine user, which can screw up the neurotransmitters in his brain.
Gambling and excessive cocaine use often go hand in hand. Statistics show as much as 1/3 of all patients in drug rehab ALSO have a gambling problem. Again, ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY>

Long term cocaine use can cause depression and anxiety as well depression and anxiety can cause people to gravitate
to chronic cocaine use.

 

[rotary_dial]

Translation: they don't have any idea of his motive.

Agreed. I think they are scrambling to get one out to the public. It seems like the average American thinks that LE is all knowing and all seeing. The powers that be have a vested interest in maintaining that illusion. Whether right or wrong, the longer this goes without an established motive, it makes the authorities seem inept.

At this point conspiracy theories have already taken root in the mainstream. Even my elderly mother who gets all her news from traditional media sources is questioning the official narrative.

They have to come up with some kind of motive and they have to do it soon. Whether they don't know or can't publish the real motive, the easy way out is to blame mental illness.

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[pamelado2]

Yeah I'm going to leave it open as possibly true until I officially hear it was a rumor. Like police investogation type of official. I would more likely believe it was a random crazy screaming we are all going to die, like all the people in the French Quarter who tell you that you are going to hell if you dont get off Bourbon Street. But that girl didn't seem like she was lying and I'm not ready to call her a liar yet.

What makes a newspaper so powerful that because they all of a sudden declare things as a rumor a couple of days after it happens, it becomes gospel truth? The investigators don't even know what's fully real yet, but they do? That's pretty good.

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I agree - and who says security heard everything the woman said? If she was fighting with the woman beside her that's enough reason to remove her. I doubt they went through the audience taking statements.
That being said, the girl could have misunderstood exactly what was stated.

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[enelram]

Agreed. I think they are scrambling to get one out to the public. It seems like the average American thinks that LE is all knowing and all seeing. The powers that be have a vested interest in maintaining that illusion. Whether right or wrong, the longer this goes without an established motive, it makes the authorities seem inept.

At this point conspiracy theories have already taken root in the mainstream. Even my elderly mother who gets all her news from traditional media sources is questioning the official narrative.

They have to come up with some kind of motive and they have to do it soon. Whether they don't know or can't publish the real motive, the easy way out is to blame mental illness.

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Mental Illness is the umbrella, catch-all excuse. Off course it's mental illness. who in their 'right mind' would do such an offense?

Until the toxicology report comes back and results of the autopsy are in, this info on mental illness seems premature, IMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

Agreed. I think they are scrambling to get one out to the public. It seems like the average American thinks that LE is all knowing and all seeing. The powers that be have a vested interest in maintaining that illusion. Whether right or wrong, the longer this goes without an established motive, it makes the authorities seem inept.

At this point conspiracy theories have already taken root in the mainstream. Even my elderly mother who gets all her news from traditional media sources is questioning the official narrative.

They have to come up with some kind of motive and they have to do it soon. Whether they don't know or can't publish the real motive, the easy way out is to blame mental illness.

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BBM Yep. People who never met him are already diagnosing him so it's something the public will accept and run with.

It's Not About Mental Illness - The Big Lie That Follows Mass Shootings

We do have statistics showing that the vast majority of people who commit acts of violence do not have a diagnosis of mental illness and, conversely, people who have mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

We know that the stigma of people who suffer from mental illness as scary, dangerous potential murderers hurts people every single day -- it costs people relationships and jobs, it scares people away from seeking help who need it, it brings shame and fear down on the heads of people who already have it bad enough.

 

[bears10]

OH~~~I can speak to this issue~~right up my alley....LOL

Yes, any cash that is deposited for over $10k has to be documented. For example, if you went over to a local currency exchange and cashed a check for over $10k and wanted the cash, ie. not money order, western union etc. the cashier has a form they have to fill out with all of the pertinent information including identification. The IRS performs random audits at these establishments and banks to confirm they are compliant. I had to go for a Payday loan Operation out to California and confirm their stores were in compliance. If they suspect anything suspicious, they are to report it immediately. For example, Joe came in 5 days in a row requesting to cash a check for $15k each day. This would be reported. There is an IRS case where a woman in Iowa (I believe) was depositing her cash from her business and it caught the IRS's attention.

On a side note, I was wondering about the $369k cash that he purchased his house in Mesquite with. That type of transaction would aroused the IRS's attention as well and would have had to be reported too.

On a side note, if you went into a car dealership and paid $40k in cash for your new car, this also would have to be reported.

Hope that helps!

I think the house purchase wasn’t green cash, it was just paid outright with a check and not financed. JMO

 

[enelram]

I think the house purchase wasn’t green cash, it was just paid outright with a check and not financed. JMO

OR just wired into account of closing agent.

Bears, has it been confirmed he paid cash for this home? Not important but just curious as he certainly had amassed enough income to outright pay for it.

 

[Cryptic]

LE and the media use the word for a person who does a horrible deed to the scale we are talking about here. I haven't found many cases where mass killing as we see here is actually psychopathy.

I once read that psychopathy or being willfully evil can be scored. Those over 19 are said to have tendencies, while those over 30 are fully psychopathic / evil with 36 being the extreme.

That aside, I think you are right about Sp not being fully psychopathic. The totality of the accounts regarding his behavior seem to indicate that he was a self absorbed person with a shallow personality who interacted with others as a low to moderate level jerk rather than exhibiting high scoring psychopathic traits.

Even some of the accounts of his generosity with those relatively close to him seem over blown. Evidently SP, from time to time, shared execss high end casino comps with his relatives. This did not cost him anything personally.

SP seems to have been a complete "grey man". Up until the night of his rampage, we have all met people like SP (those with low scoring psychopathic personality traits). Some were probably wealthy and intelligent, others not. They stand out from the norm, but not in an extreme way.

Even his life style of a "small whale" high stakes gambler seems to have added to his grayness. My bet is that a lot of self important, but not truly grandiose low to mid level jerks with unpleasant, but not truly exploitive personalities frequent the high stakes gambling rooms of Las Vegas.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I make my os and zeroes counter-clockwise,[/bp which is supposedly the same as psychopaths. I am most definitely NOT a psychopath, though.

??? But counter-clockwise is the right way...

https://youtu.be/dUg1p-pk_CE


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[bears10]

OR just wired into account of closing agent.

Bears, has it been confirmed he paid cash for this home? Not important but just curious as he certainly had amassed enough income to outright pay for it.

According to this article the agent confirmed it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...dock-profile-house-cash-fence-invs/index.html

 

[jjenny]

According to this article the agent confirmed it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...dock-profile-house-cash-fence-invs/index.html

Just to make it clear, paying cash for the home means you don't ask for a loan. It doesn't mean you bring a suitcase full of dollar bills.

 

[Betty P]

BIGCITYACCOUNTANT I appreciate your input, always. Cash transactions of $10,000 or more require a FORM 8300 to be filed. (you can find the pdf form on the IRS website if so inclined.) There are many safeguards in place. The BSA=Bank Secrecy Act:
The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 (or BSA, or otherwise known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act) requires financial institutions in the United States to assist U.S. government agencies to detect and prevent money laundering.
The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 (or BSA, or otherwise known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act) requires financial institutions in the United States to assist U.S. government agencies to detect and prevent money laundering
https://pocketsense.com/deposits-reported-irs-7557.html
And for individuals who think they can side-step or avoid that reporting, they still have to contend with SAR=Suspicious Activity Reports that are done by banks internally when a person deposits more than $2000 cash 3 times in one month. If you have tenants who pay you in cash, or a Farmer's Market Vendor who receives cash payments, be sure to let your banker know the reason you are depositing a lot of cash. (Banking relationships are important!) If a bank can not discern why you are depositing so much cash....expect that you will be "engaged in a courteous conversation of inquiry" or expect to have your account closed.
Sadly, I live in a state where marijuana sales are legal for medical purposes, but not legal under Federal laws....so I just have to tell the person, "I can't do any work for you." I have no idea how others in my profession handle it....but I love my country and respects its laws, so I won't even deal with people/business that make me uncomfortable about their financial wheeling and dealings.
I can't help but wonder if SP did any gambling when he went to the Philippines and what hotel/casino would have a record of him in that country. The coincidences are profound, to say the least.

I was wondering as well. With all the wheeling and dealing - paying cash for his home and constant high stakes gambling - he had to have been somewhat familiar to the IRS. With his significant other stopping for a couple days in Hong Kong just before his death, I also wonder if he had stashed money in off-shore accounts. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would go to great lengths to avoid paying taxes.

 

[jjenny]

I was wondering as well. With all the wheeling and dealing - paying cash for his home and constant high stakes gambling - he had to have been somewhat familiar to the IRS. With his significant other stopping for a couple days in Hong Kong just before his death, I also wonder if he had stashed money in off-shore accounts. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would go to great lengths to avoid paying taxes.

Where was all the money coming from? Was he really winning playing at the casino? It's hard to beat the house. If it were easy, casinos would be out of business.

 

[human]

Yeah I'm going to leave it open as possibly true until I officially hear it was a rumor. Like police investogation type of official. I would more likely believe it was a random crazy screaming we are all going to die, like all the people in the French Quarter who tell you that you are going to hell if you dont get off Bourbon Street. But that girl didn't seem like she was lying and I'm not ready to call her a liar yet.

What makes a newspaper so powerful that because they all of a sudden declare things as a rumor a couple of days after it happens, it becomes gospel truth? The investigators don't even know what's fully real yet, but they do? That's pretty good.

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If you knew you were going to die, what is the reason for hanging around?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

OH~~~I can speak to this issue~~right up my alley....LOL

Yes, any cash that is deposited for over $10k has to be documented. For example, if you went over to a local currency exchange and cashed a check for over $10k and wanted the cash, ie. not money order, western union etc. the cashier has a form they have to fill out with all of the pertinent information including identification. The IRS performs random audits at these establishments and banks to confirm they are compliant. I had to go for a Payday loan Operation out to California and confirm their stores were in compliance. If they suspect anything suspicious, they are to report it immediately. For example, Joe came in 5 days in a row requesting to cash a check for $15k each day. This would be reported. There is an IRS case where a woman in Iowa (I believe) was depositing her cash from her business and it caught the IRS's attention.

On a side note, I was wondering about the $369k cash that he purchased his house in Mesquite with. That type of transaction would aroused the IRS's attention as well and would have had to be reported too.

On a side note, if you went into a car dealership and paid $40k in cash for your new car, this also would have to be reported.

Hope that helps!

I think it's important in the current context to understand what money laundering is, since it seems some previous posters (not you, BCA!) aren't clear about it.

Money laundering is the process by which cash gained by criminal activity is entered into the legitimate banking system and moved around in such a way as to disguise its origin so that it becomes "clean".

Almost all significant criminal activity at the front end generates large amounts of cash. Users pay cash for drugs. Punters pay cash for prostitutes. Shopkeepers pay cash for protection. Loan sharks make loans and receive repayments in cash.

All of that cash has to be made "legitimate" in order to be truly useful to criminals.

 

[human]

-I can’t say I’ve heard this spun this way before.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...as-gunman-had-undiagnosed-mental-illness.html

Snipped:
“Some law enforcement officials believe that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness when he gunned down 58 people from a high-rise sniper's nest during a country music festival, ABC News reported Saturday.

"We have looked at literally everything," McMahill added.

It is unusual to have so few hints of a motive five days after a mass shooting. In previous mass killings or terrorist attacks, killers left notes, social media postings and information on a computer — or even phoned police”

He planned this for months. He did not ramble with things he said. Someone who would have a tumor or have cognitive decline would not be able to control his thoughts and saying things.

He carried out a complex plan for months with no dropped information to anyone.

I go with my husband and agree it was for him to have the biggest kill.

Arrogance, entitlement. Gambling may have lost its thrill. He had a loving partner but used prostitutes. Entitled.

He loved being the big shot. He decided to wow the world with his superior being