GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #116

[katydid23]

IMO his chest and torso definitely look artificially bulked up by something under his clothes.

It looks like he maybe had a bulletproof vest on. Could he have worn one during the attacks?

 

[Teche]

Yeah, but you can get in without one. I've done it multiple times. i just couldn't buy anything I wanted. Prescriptions and wine. Period.

So BK could have gotten in if he really wanted to.

You’re correct. I believe one can purchase food from the food court.

 

[Gemmie]

You’re correct. I believe one can purchase food from the food court.

I think so too.

 

[MassGuy]

HJ’s interview with police. Posted with permission of the mods.

Hunter Johnson's interview after the murders of Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan.

My Substack is about true crime.

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[Helechawagirl]

Agree, one may have been preferred over another, but I am sure the murderer knew there were multiple girls in that house. I still think he could have wanted to target as many as possible. They were the very representation of who he blamed for his failures and short comings.

Xana being up and moving and then finding a big, strapping jock Ethan in her room, DM awake and calling out, and Murphy barking were factors he didn't consider which put him on the run.

I just don't think he would have gone in and killed Maddie if she was alone and then immediately left. Maybe he was planning some sick pseudo s e x u a l contact with her being passed out or dead.

How I wish he would have tripped on the stairs and fell onto the knife 5 times while chasing Xana.

JMO

I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

<modsnip>

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip: No linked source for information stated as fact.>

Time will tell.

 

[xjd11]

I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

<modsnip>

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.

bbm, I have not watched the video of these comments. could the judge have been a little sarcastic?

 

[Warwick7]

Hmm...seems we've traversed these grounds multiple times on how 80+ stabs to 4 people in such a short period time.

Let's do it again...

Let's start with dingbat's element of surprise. These young people were most likely asleep (except for Xana) and heavily intoxicated when the attacks began. A surviving roommate was in a "frozen shock phase" after seeing the masked killer, indicating in M00 the attack was sudden and disorienting. This gave dingbat a significant advantage, as he did not have to overpower four people simultaneously.

Lest we have dingbat's criminal education and backround. He knew to focus on vulnerable areas that would incapacitate victims very quickly. In the medical field it tells us a fatal stab to the chest can cause the brain to die within seconds. This means that while the overall number of wounds was high, the fatal injuries could have been inflicted extremely fast.

His alleged kick boxing and running would cause him to be physically fit. This would enable dingbat to exert the force needed to inflict the wounds, in M00.

Its not unheard of that in some attacks, the act of stabbing can occur in a matter of seconds. For example, the Sydney stabbings in 2024 showed that a person with a knife can inflict multiple fatal wounds and injure many people very quickly...

 

[Warwick7]

bbm, I have not watched the video of these comments. could the judge have been a little sarcastic?

Yeah, there were no tender comments from the Judge...

Judge Hippler delivered a forceful condemnation of Kohberger during his sentencing hearing. The judge notably called him a "faceless coward." Then turned around and stated he was "unable to come up with anything redeeming about Mr. Kohberger, because his grotesque acts of evil have buried and hidden anything that might have been good or intrinsically human about him."

 

[MissPie]

If you have not listened already, I highly recommend the 3-episode podcast by @othram on their work to help solve this case. Their podcast is America’s Crime Lab and the series is entitled “New Forensic Details from the Idaho Student Murders”.

 

[Warwick7]

"Based on that footage and other evidence, prosecutors believe the murders occurred in a 13-minute window between 4:07 and 4:20 a.m., when the white sedan is seen speeding away and exiting the neighborhood."

(Do I believe it happened in less time? Yes. However the above is what the Prosecution decided.)

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article312270834.html#storylink=cpy

 

[othram]

If you have not listened already, I highly recommend the 3-episode podcast by @othram on their work to help solve this case. Their podcast is America’s Crime Lab and the series is entitled “New Forensic Details from the Idaho Student Murders”.

Thanks for sharing!

We hope that the 3-episode story helps clarify what happened and didn't happen in the case.

If you use Apple Podcasts, here is a direct link to the first episode:

New Forensic Details From the Idaho Student Murders - Part 1

Podcast Episode · America's Crime Lab · S1 E10 · 42m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[lonetraveler]

I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

<modsnip>

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.

I may be getting cases mixed up but wasn't part of the deal is that BK can't appeal?

 

[lonetraveler]

I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

The plea deal fiasco—I don’t think the use of the database they used to Id him was 100% legal—even contracted out—so that may have been something Taylor could use to get the DNA thrown out—in which case BK might have walked free.

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.

I think that the Kickboxing came into play for the major injuries to her face. He wanted to destroy her beauty, IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Hmm...seems we've traversed these grounds multiple times on how 80+ stabs to 4 people in such a short period time.

Let's do it again...

Let's start with dingbat's element of surprise. These young people were most likely asleep (except for Xana) and heavily intoxicated when the attacks began. A surviving roommate was in a "frozen shock phase" after seeing the masked killer, indicating in M00 the attack was sudden and disorienting. This gave dingbat a significant advantage, as he did not have to overpower four people simultaneously.

Lest we have dingbat's criminal education and backround. He knew to focus on vulnerable areas that would incapacitate victims very quickly. In the medical field it tells us a fatal stab to the chest can cause the brain to die within seconds. This means that while the overall number of wounds was high, the fatal injuries could have been inflicted extremely fast.

His alleged kick boxing and running would cause him to be physically fit. This would enable dingbat to exert the force needed to inflict the wounds, in M00.

Its not unheard of that in some attacks, the act of stabbing can occur in a matter of seconds. For example, the Sydney stabbings in 2024 showed that a person with a knife can inflict multiple fatal wounds and injure many people very quickly...

This "Dingbat" is probably re-living the murders over and over in his mind and enjoying every single moment.

 

[Megnut]

I think that the Kickboxing came into play for the major injuries to her face. He wanted to destroy her beauty, IMO.

AT wanted us to believe he was feeble, incapable of precision. He may have elements of that, but the Kbar doesn't. Vicious weapon.

IMO he was in the process of killing his first victim when he suddenly had a second victim to contend with. He was going to win every battle here -- the Kbar had the advantage -- but he had to pivot. That's where his kickboxing comes in. He didn't even need to be overly agile -- the Kbar countered all his deficits. Conveniently the butt end of the knife is a pommel. He reverses his stab and now it's a blunt force weapon.

The biggest risk to him was a victim screaming. For me, that explains the brutal facial injuries. He didn't have time to coordinate his movements, not in the way he had delivered them to his first victim. Lord, he must have been absolutely crazed. If he had a gun, we'd be talking a firestorm of shots.

I'm convinced that, one part of what made the events if that night so confusing for the surviving roommates was how brief it was. Except for the barking, it might have been as few as four (but not probably more than seven) minutes of sounds that made no sense. "I wonder if someone is being stabbed to death" on no one's radar, who would even imagine that?

Competing forever in my head, forlorn Murphy looking back at the grief huddle and BK at the store with his water -- almost simultaneous events.

I'll say it again -- Murphy is more of a man than BK will ever be.

A beautiful curly mop embodying loyalty, protection, attachment, affection. Love bug.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

AT wanted us to believe he was feeble, incapable of precision. He may have elements of that, but the Kbar doesn't. Vicious weapon.

IMO he was in the process of killing his first victim when he suddenly had a second victim to contend with. He was going to win every battle here -- the Kbar had the advantage -- but he had to pivot. That's where his kickboxing comes in. He didn't even need to be overly agile -- the Kbar countered all his deficits. Conveniently the butt end of the knife is a pommel. He reverses his stab and now it's a blunt force weapon.

The biggest risk to him was a victim screaming. For me, that explains the brutal facial injuries. He didn't have time to coordinate his movements, not in the way he had delivered them to his first victim. Lord, he must have been absolutely crazed. If he had a gun, we'd be talking a firestorm of shots.

I'm convinced that, one part of what made the events if that night so confusing for the surviving roommates was how brief it was. Except for the barking, it might have been as few as four (but not probably more than seven) minutes of sounds that made no sense. "I wonder if someone is being stabbed to death" on no one's radar, who would even imagine that?

Competing forever in my head, forlorn Murphy looking back at the grief huddle and BK at the store with his water -- almost simultaneous events.

I'll say it again -- Murphy is more of a man than BK will ever be.

A beautiful curly mop embodying loyalty, protection, attachment, affection. Love bug.

JMO

Murphy breaks my heart. He witnessed the entire brutal attack on his people.
Humans can get therapy for emotional trauma, sadly animals can't.

 

[Megnut]

Murphy breaks my heart. He witnessed the entire brutal attack on his people.
Humans can get therapy for emotional trauma, sadly animals can't.

I share your soft spot.

And, while Murphy can't maybe get therapy in the traditional sense, we can be sure he's providing it.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

<modsnip>

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.

He wouldn't have inflicted those injuries on Kaylee manually. I've always believed he used the pommel of the knife, which is designed specifically for that purpose. You can hammer nails with that thing.

He arrived at 4:07, and sped away at 4:20. I believe these murders took no more than 7-8 minutes, which is an eternity. You can stab someone multiple times a second, and with the exception of Xana, this was akin to shooting fish in a barrel.

Not only was an accomplice unnecessary, but every piece of evidence refutes it. This guy didn't have a friend in the world, yet he somehow finds someone willing to kill with him? This person leaves no evidence, and they bizarrely share a knife. It also doesn't fit with the crime scene itself, as the state narrative makes perfect sense based on the timeline and the location of the bodies.

I don't believe that him lying was the reason they didn't ask him questions. I believe Thompson wanted this deal done, and didn't want to take any chances when it came to Kohberger agreeing.

Anne Taylor did a tremendous job, doing everything she could to get the death penalty off the table. <modsnip>There is zero chance he has an ineffective counsel argument.

 

[gremlin444]

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

All he meant was that he didn't want BK popping up to stand every time he was asked a question (some judges in some kinds of hearings do want that..or they have the defendant keep standing instead of sitting down between each question). If Hippler expects you to stand, he'll instruct you to. Hippler was also saying it was unnecessary as well as coming across as obsequious--all he needed to do to show proper courtroom respect to the judge was use polite language when addressing him and follow all directions.

Not to mention it was a plea hearing where it was already known to all that he was confessing to a quadruple murder--the guards and LE really don't want him constantly standing up....too much of a risk and puts everyone on edge. It doesn't help that the layout of that courtroom was rather odd.....usually they are set up so that the defense table and the prosecution table are set up side by side parallel to each other--not in this unusual perpendicular layout they had in that courtroom. That means every time he stands up, he's essentially facing out to the prosecution and the families/friends/audience as opposed to standing with his back to them.

 

[Barbb]

Thought this little video of Kohberger going out few hours after killing everyone interesting. He sure seems casual.

New video shows Bryan Kohberger shopping at Costco after Idaho murders

Recently released surveillance footage captures the 30-year-old casually entering a Costco Wholesale store on the very morning after carrying out the grisly attack.

www.dailymail.co.uk