GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[Dotta]

DBM as
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[LadyL]

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"In a June court filing
Kohberger wrote that he was diagnosed with:
- Autism (level 1);
- OCD
(obsessive compulsive disorder);
- ADHD;
- ARFID
(which is an acronym for avoidant/restrictive food intake disorder.
Most common in children,
this disorder manifests in highly selective eating habits that greatly limit an individual's diet
and can result in malnutrition and limit a person's physical growth.

All four diagnoses were made in February 2025,
Kohberger wrote.

He also noted in the same document
that he was taking just one prescription medication at the time:
Levothyroxine, which is used to treat hypothyroidism
and is one of America's most-prescribed medications.

Individuals with autism level 1
are high-functioning,
display only a few symptoms of the disorder
and often require no assistance to perform everyday tasks."

Ok so he might not have been necessarily vegan but rather was restrictive, which would explain his purchase of parmeson cheese that someone pointed out on a receipt IMO.

 

[AuDHD]

ARFID?? I think that stands for 'Ain't Really Feelin' It, Dude. JMO

That sounds exactly RIGHT to me!
In fact,
it seems the gist of all this.

JMO

i have ARFID as well. It definitely has nothing to do with murdering someone, but it’s a co-occurring ED for many autistic ppl. Since it’s lesser known, and bc I personally also have struggled with anorexia, I generally just call it “disordered eating” or history of eating disorders

Whether or not bk actually has it, i have no idea, but it’s hardly a punchline. JMO

 

[Megnut]

A must watch.

This DESTROYS conspiracies that created stories about the house at the end of the block with lights on and off --

GH shows how the lights correspond to the movement of the Elantra (as reflected in the windows) as it drives UP the hill.

He breaks it down second by second, including the light from the DDD flashlight.

Those windows tell a story indeed. The truth.

He even has the moment he passes the DDD -- and while she may have been preoccupied (maybe with her phone/map/directions) and didn't see him, she likely became aware later that he was indeed right there next to her. That would be freaky, creepy and traumatic, in retrospect.

20m

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[Greenestdays]

I’d like to respectfully ask that people refrain from mocking mental health diagnoses. I get joking about BK, and he might or might not have the diagnoses he listed, but they are all still real and can be debilitating and greatly affect someone’s quality of life.

 

[LadyL]

Google seems to think it's permanently closed, but the MG FB page says they are open. Likely they just never posted they were closing, which seems odd.

What Goog says:
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Last post on the MG FB page was 7/5, so not that long ago.

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See link below for the story about this pic.

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Mad Greek | Moscow ID

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www.facebook.com

It also looks like they were doing a catering event on 4/8 by reading one of the MG's posts.

Link doesn't work for me. Can I get a short explanation?

 

[Dotta]

I’d like to respectfully ask that people refrain from mocking mental health diagnoses. I get joking about BK, and he might or might not have the diagnoses he listed, but they are all still real and can be debilitating and greatly affect someone’s quality of life.

Of course.

But it was BK himself + Defence
who brought these diagnoses into Court.

What was the aim of it?
To fight Death Penalty.

In other words,
to hide behind these disorders.

But everybody knows
these diagnoses have NOTHING to do with murders.

This tactic seemed to exploit those who suffer from the disorders,
but who never harm anybody.

It is as clear as a day for me
and I suppose for everybody else.

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

Link doesn't work for me. Can I get a short explanation?

The MG posted happy birthday to Xana on 7/5 and went on to say that the 2 pictures (another one posted below) remind them so much of her personality. They went on to say that after 2.5 yrs, they decided to read/listen to all of Xana's text/voice messages. It must have been too raw before. They liked hearing her voice and to remember all of her shenanigans.


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[gremlin444]

It's also really stretching it to for the media and others to represent it as "he was only diagnosed with these things in 2025" and imply that they were made up for the trial by the defense team's representatives. However, even the Idaho Statesman in 2023 reported he was hospitalized for an eating disorder after his extreme weight loss. And while in this article it that info was quoted by friends, this is the Idaho Statesman....and they are very careful in researching what they print:

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272531864.html

He wrote this year as diagnosis, likely because that's the most recent date. I highly doubt that he could tell you specifically what month/day of what year he received the official diagnosis during that hospitalization.

I would hold off any judgement as to the veracity/validity of the diagnoses until more documents are released from the defense mitigation witnesses and any info not redacted in other records with historical data about him that will come out from their side.

Sure, they were going to bring it all up for their mitigation phase in terms of trying to avoid the death penalty---but that is literally part of their job, and not verifying and bringing diagnoses to the attention of the court would set up an appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel so fast.

No one expects you to like BK or sympathize/empathize with him. And no matter what issues exist or don't exist, NO diagnosis justified or was the direct cause of what he chose to do. At the same time, acknowledging that these diagnosis may exist doesn't mean a person is excusing his actions or thinking he's not guilty.

 

[SteveP]

i have ARFID as well. It definitely has nothing to do with murdering someone, but it’s a co-occurring ED for many autistic ppl. Since it’s lesser known, and bc I personally also have struggled with anorexia, I generally just call it “disordered eating” or history of eating disorders

Whether or not bk actually has it, i have no idea, but it’s hardly a punchline. JMO

I removed that portion of my post, as it is never my intent to offend another poster. My comment was basically just to point out the timely convenience of that diagnosis, among the others, by someone hand-picked by the defense, and diagnoses that Judge Hippler was seemingly less than impressed with, as they related to alibis to keep him from being sentenced to death if convicted. Seems as if he had not been speeding toward a trial for quadruple homicide, it would probably have never been mentioned at all. JMO

 

[Megnut]

The MG posted happy birthday to Xana on 7/5 and went on to say that the 2 pictures (another one posted below) remind them so much of her personality. They went on to say that after 2.5 yrs, they decided to read/listen to all of Xana's text/voice messages. It must have been too raw before. They liked hearing her voice and to remember all of her shenanigans.

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In the age of social media, it's easy to forgot or even never to consider how risky it can be. Predators predate. So while social media can be a great thing for sharing one's life, there's an undeniable dark side. If the Mad Greek posted photos online -- to recognize beloved employees, to showcase their establishment, to ride the times -- a predator could stalk from quite a distance, no one would be any the wiser.

Just like a back to school photo of a child can accidentally give a pedophile all the information he needs, or a college tour photo tells a burglar you're out of town, who imagines that innocent Facebook or Instagram posts will be perverted by a criminal with serious evil intent?

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Right. How convenient he was diagnosed by the Defense Psychologists for these disorders soon before trial was to begin. Was the murderer ever diagnosed by an independent Psychologist at any time before the murders and arrest or before he even left PA?

The prescription Levothyroxine, while mainly prescribed for thyroid issues, also notoriously gets used/abused for weight loss. I wonder how long the murderer has been taking this and who prescribed it? It can also have some serious side effects.

JMO

Link doesn't work for me. Can I get a short explanation?

They have been gone for a while, literally just drove by that area.

 

[Chloegirl]

In the age of social media, it's easy to forgot or even never to consider how risky it can be. Predators predate. So while social media can be a great thing for sharing one's life, there's an undeniable dark side. If the Mad Greek posted photos online -- to recognize beloved employees, to showcase their establishment, to ride the times -- a predator could stalk from quite a distance, no one would be any the wiser.

Just like a back to school photo of a child can accidentally give a pedophile all the information he needs, or a college tour photo tells a burglar you're out of town, who imagines that innocent Facebook or Instagram posts will be perverted by a criminal with serious evil intent?

JMO

Could not agree more, and these young women were already somewhat overexposed before working there. Sigh. JMOO

 

[LinasK]

Wasn't it posted earlier on this thread that BK had a Korean doctoral student classmate? IIRC, that was the case. I don't remember if she shared an office with him or they just knew each other from being in the same program or maybe she lived in the same on-campus housing complex as he did. Perhaps someone here remembers those details?

It was in the Dateline episode. She shared an office with him and her keys disappeared.

 

[LinasK]

I kind of disagree with NG about LE or the prosecutor lying about charging BK with stalking. IIRC, the incidents of stalking that Kaylee reported and documented unfortunately don't line up with BK's trips to the Moscow area on security cam video and other phone data, etc. I think it was GH who pointed this out on his "timelines" videos. The incident of someone breaking the front door and of Kaylee seeing someone in the back yard were on different dates than BK's trips to Moscow.

Yes, according to his driving records, he stalked them, but he couldn't be charged with those specific incidents because the prosecution didn't have evidence to back it up. To me, it was even more disturbing that it appears someone besides BK was also stalking the girls. We can assume that person is still out there. I hope LE is investigating that, especially when someone broke down the front door.

Evidence to back it up may have been what he managed to delete from his phone. I assume he did the stalking, not someone else.

 

[Ghostwheel]

The MG posted happy birthday to Xana on 7/5 and went on to say that the 2 pictures (another one posted below) remind them so much of her personality. They went on to say that after 2.5 yrs, they decided to read/listen to all of Xana's text/voice messages. It must have been too raw before. They liked hearing her voice and to remember all of her shenanigans.

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I want to point out that the Mad Greek Facebook and the Mad Greek physical restaurant are not the same thing. The restaurant can be long gone and the owner still posting to Facebook. As I see it in Google maps, I see an empty space in the Mad Greek space next to Wooster's Pizzaria. From Google Maps. This is just for a reference.

 

[Megnut]

What's interesting (and by 'interesting' I mean 'chilling') is that, in his papers, he acknowledges that voyeurism (among others) is both a crime and a motive.

23 times he was in the immediate area of 1122 King Road.

The night he got pulled over, iirc he had been stopped in the area for a length of time. Four loops, the morning of the crimes, five if you count the return.

Courtesy of residential security cameras, the movements of the Elantra are alarming. He's watching the house; even from a fair distance, he can zero in on it; then there's this dance with the DDD, as he investigates and acts/reacts. What is voyeurism? You're right, AT, maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. The word is voyeurism. Harmless? Even he recognizes it's criminal. Knowing someone watched you, even if you weren't doing anything particularly intimate, is unnerving. A violation.

And he pairs it -- voyeurism has a sexual component. He calls it non contact sexual motivation.

His officemate, the one whose key was missing then returned, who had items rearranged in her home? How creepy, unsettling.

How many homes has he entered? Had he previously entered 1122 King? Did he break the lock during a reconnaissance visit or failed one? Did he enjoy watching people sleep? Did he watch any of the victims sleep? That early morning? Prior to then? That well could have been a part of his motive. Given his adult searches, IMO we can assume it was an element. Even if his prurient interest was non-contact (outside of what a kbar could contact, which is A LOT), it may have been sexually gratifying to watch a sleeping, incapacitated victim, and then murder her has the ultimate sex act.

I think that's what he meant when allegedly he said he could have any girl he wanted. Not hard when she's asleep/inebriated/unarmed/unaware and he has a knife. Not about sex, it's about power and control. What's THAT sound like?

IMO he'd say as much.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

I thought Nancy Grace's interview with Kaylee's parents was an eye opener. The prosecutor (suspect due to the gag order) kept a lot of information from the family. Somehow that just doesnt sit right and it's very disappointing that victims' families are treated as such. I am glad that the Goncalves speak up and hope their voices are heard for years to come. Their story is important. jmo

Timstamp 31:31
So, we actually learned all the truth from her autopsy report. and we were given her autopsy report on a thumb drive during the sentencing. The investigator walked into the courtroom that day and said and we had arranged that and he said, "Here's the autopsy report." So, in reading that autopsy report, we found out that uh Kaylee had
been stabbed 24 times to her face and head. Um, she had 11 to her chest, neck, and like torso area and three to her upper extremities. So, uh, I thought about her eyes, too. I was like, was her eyes stabbed? But, um, somehow or another, Kaylee's eyes had not been stabbed. Um, Kaylee did have really bad, um, facial damage. She or some of
her teeth were were missing. Several were broken. Um and she had two subdural hematomas to her head. So um
her nose was broken badly. Yeah. So that for me it was outrage because my daughter was fighting up to her very last breath over and over. She kept trying to get out of that bed and he was just drilling her and and she's fighting for her last breath


Timstamp 37:29
NG: The judge told you you're not going to bring her back?
SG: Yeah. Yeah. Yelling at me, telling me he didn't want me to talk to the media anymore. And I said, "Well, that's that's not going to happen. I'm going to talk to the media every single time I want." He basically said, "Well, then we'll never have a trial." Yeah. He he uh in a closed hearing.

Timstamp 38:05
KG: Yeah. Yeah. He he actually said um he was talking. when we all were in in the courtroom or on Zoom, all the families, and uh he actually said, "And the Goncalves family, especially the dad, needs to shut his mouth." And I said, "That ain't going to happen." And he said, "I don't I don't agree with that." And he said, "I don't care if you don't agree with that." And Steve said, "Um, well, I mean, you know me, I'm I'm I'm fighting for justice for my daughter." And he says, "Do you think that um that you're going to bring her back doing this all is talking to the
media is going to bring her back?" And Steve goes, "No, I I I mean, I know that that's not going to bring her back, but
you know, I still have that's got to hold people accountable." You know, you have to hold people accountable.

40:10
And ironically, that day that we went to court, there was a bunch of Probergers on the other side sitting behind BK
doing this (hand heart gesture with thumbs and index fingers joining together as a heart) and on the camera and uh the car was vandalized.

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[Chloegirl]

I thought Nancy Grace's interview with Kaylee's parents was an eye opener. The prosecutor (suspect due to the gag order) kept a lot of information from the family. Somehow that just doesnt sit right and it's very disappointing that victims' families are treated as such. I am glad that the Goncalves speak up and hope their voices are heard for years to come. Their story is important. jmo

Timstamp 31:31
So, we actually learned all the truth from her autopsy report. and we were given her autopsy report on a thumb drive during the sentencing. The investigator walked into the courtroom that day and said and we had arranged that and he said, "Here's the autopsy report." So, in reading that autopsy report, we found out that uh Kaylee had
been stabbed 24 times to her face and head. Um, she had 11 to her chest, neck, and like torso area and three to her upper extremities. So, uh, I thought about her eyes, too. I was like, was her eyes stabbed? But, um, somehow or another, Kaylee's eyes had not been stabbed. Um, Kaylee did have really bad, um, facial damage. She or some of
her teeth were were missing. Several were broken. Um and she had two subdural hematomas to her head. So um
her nose was broken badly. Yeah. So that for me it was outrage because my daughter was fighting up to her very last breath over and over. She kept trying to get out of that bed and he was just drilling her and and she's fighting for her last breath


Timstamp 37:29
NG: The judge told you you're not going to bring her back?
SG: Yeah. Yeah. Yelling at me, telling me he didn't want me to talk to the media anymore. And I said, "Well, that's that's not going to happen. I'm going to talk to the media every single time I want." He basically said, "Well, then we'll never have a trial." Yeah. He he uh in a closed hearing.

Timstamp 38:05
KG: Yeah. Yeah. He he actually said um he was talking. when we all were in in the courtroom or on Zoom, all the families, and uh he actually said, "And the Goncalves family, especially the dad, needs to shut his mouth." And I said, "That ain't going to happen." And he said, "I don't I don't agree with that." And he said, "I don't care if you don't agree with that." And Steve said, "Um, well, I mean, you know me, I'm I'm I'm fighting for justice for my daughter." And he says, "Do you think that um that you're going to bring her back doing this all is talking to the
media is going to bring her back?" And Steve goes, "No, I I I mean, I know that that's not going to bring her back, but
you know, I still have that's got to hold people accountable." You know, you have to hold people accountable.

40:10
And ironically, that day that we went to court, there was a bunch of Probergers on the other side sitting behind BK
doing this (hand heart gesture with thumbs and index fingers joining together as a heart) and on the camera and uh the car was vandalized.

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This was very eye-opening despite NGs inflammatory tone. I do wish that I heard that they were better taken care of by our system, to say the least. JMOO

 

[Chloegirl]

This was very eye-opening despite NGs inflammatory tone. I do wish that I heard that they were better taken care of by our system, to say the least. JMOO

This is a follow-up to my own post. I think that the oil and water issues between the family and prosecution team (perhaps it's inherent, perhaps not) are circumstantial. I would like to believe that families are listened to, not that their wishes will be enacted but that they feel heard, validated, and are kept in the loop.

The DP is the issue I try not to discuss. I personally had to warm up to the idea of the plea deal over time, favoring a trial. And, I think it might have needed a little nuancing. That said, there are merits of all perspectives not just lumping everyone in the camp of vigilante justice or letting a quadruple murderer off too easy.

It would also be nice if the community felt let in on this outcome. I am very accepting of it now, but really feel for how the families must have perceived events. JMOO

There are no simple answers.