NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[jjenny]

When i purchaed a vehicle a few years back i went to bank and had a check drawn for the amount, when a friend bought a home in another state he just transferred amount from his account to an account on receiving end.

Some states have laws that you can only do electronic transfers when you purchase a house, so not even a cashiers check would work, let alone cash.

 

[CARIIS]

A lot of people have depression and anxiety. About 18 % of adults in US have anxiety. Furthermore, this guy was able to function in public, without people noticing anything unusual. Even his girlfriend, who was with him most of the time, apparently claimed she didn't notice anything that unusual. I don't think it makes any sense to blame this mass murder on his supposed depression and anxiety.

There are far more high functioning , but severely impacted folks with mental illness issues

functionality is a lot of stuff

If we look back his social interactions were problematic

his marriages obviously problematic

he could not hold a job - imo indicative of some issues earlier in his life

. It must include the ability to do the things necessary to function in society. Measurements for physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, social, and career/financial productivity need to be part of the analysis.

In my opinion, functionality as it relates to mental illness encompasses many domains

Authentic functionality, in mental illness is items like :

• Bathing and showering
• Personal hygiene and grooming (including brushing/combing/styling hair)
• Dressing

Actually he did not according to most we have heard from handle these well!

In a quiet reality he actually did not demonstrate the ability to , quite honestly, do a lot of basic things we call functionality.

• Cleaning and maintaining the house
• Managing money
• Moving within the community
• Preparing meals
• Shopping for groceries and necessities
• Taking prescribed medications

Having nothing in your houses , never being there, eating out , housekeeping is at some level avoidance of the abovementioned.

Mental illness does not translate to stupid . Especially with the mood disorders

this goes back to what I was trying to say. Bipolar is a mood disorder.. Disruptive moods can impact many aspects of a persons life.

Being intelligent, is not a rule out for any disorder . Mood has nothing to do with intellect but can profoundly impact other parts of ones life .

IMO if we take a step back and try to look at him in his entirety

he was good with numbers

socially maladaptive

had difficulty with frustration tolerances wanting everything now

very socially isolative

was not attending to (mentioned earlier) activities that most must attend to

Again imo because he had money in like the later part of his life (allegedly) in his early years , he apparently, had great difficulty with vocation, steady employment, appeared unable to locate his life plan. Hallmarks of mental illness

Sounds like he was unkempt throughout his life -- that can be viewed as neurotic or in all likelihood an indifference - often related to depressed periods

From most reports he lacked social skills, was rude, angry often, aloof and basically disengaged from social part of his life

mood stuff

at the end of the day he did (alledgy) insert a gun into his mouth and pull the trigger. It is safe to assume , at the end of the day, he was not a content person, an enduring component of mood problems

We also, imo might relate some pretty intense negative thought and feelings about other homosapiens - he harmed close to 500 - there is some info embedded there.

There is a proven link to genetics. Dad was diagnosed .

For most of the world the brothers behaviors were perceived by many as different, while being off mainly as it relates to normative affect . Genetic??

In terms of americs view imo as it relates to being well a large compnent of that is defined by a career that results in income . DOes not rule out suffering with bipolar

a short list of diagnosed , medication compliant "successful" people suffering with bipolar include

Demi Lovato,
3 Catherine Zeta-Jones.
5 / 13 Vivien Leigh. 6 /
13 Carrie Fisher. 7 /
13 Jean-Claude Van Damme. 8 /
Mariette Hartley, actress:
Brian Wilson, musician:
Dick Cavett, journalist:
Margaret Trudeau, former First Lady of Canada:
Richard Dreyfuss, actor
Patrick Kennedy, former U.S. Representative:

having career money does not equate with NOT suffering wiht bipolar moo


http://mastersinhealthcare.com/blog/2011/20-successful-people-whove-struggled-with-bipolar-disorder/



https://www.google.com/search?q=suc...me..69i57j0.5894j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Real functionality includes the ability to get along with others and for them to be comfortable with your behavior.




https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ctionality-in-depression-and-bipolar-disorder

 

[Elley Mae]

Stephen Paddock: Las Vegas shooter was 'the king of microaggression', brother says

https://www.google.com/amp/www.inde...her-shooter-background-life-a7987826.html?amp

Stephen Paddock usually kept a cigar at hand, even though he did not smoke. But he was quick to notice when somebody sat down beside him and lit up.

Then Paddock, a denizen of hazy casinos, would take out his cigar, light it and carefully aim its smoke back into the faces of those whose puffing annoyed him.

“He was the king of microaggression,” his brother, Eric, said.

 

[Elley Mae]

“He went to work for the I.R.S. because he thought that’s where the money was, but it turned out the money wasn’t there,” the younger Mr. Paddock said. “He went to the aerospace industry but the money wasn’t there either. He went to real estate and that’s where the money was.”

Stephen Paddock began buying and refurbishing properties in economically depressed areas around Los Angeles, teaching himself how to put in plumbing and install air-conditioning. By the late 1980s, “we had cash flow,” said Eric Paddock, who added that he had given his life savings to his older brother to invest and eventually became a partner in his company, because “that’s the kind of guy he was. I knew he would succeed.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.amp.html

 

[bluesneakers]

Do you have to be mentally ill to be an amoral jerk?

No. And do we know if he ever saw a psychiatrist, or got a diagnosis? I honestly don't get why people want to hurry up and diagnose him with something.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

There is no woman.

If a man told you he had a bunch of guns and was going to shoot up everyone at a concert, what would you do?

Thanks~~I had read he hired an Asian prostitute. Thought they might be related.

What would I do? First of all, I wouldn't be in that situation because I'd never be a prostitute. LOL Secondly, I'd be over at LE in a matter of seconds.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Some caught my attention.

“He acted like everybody worked for him and that he was above others,” said John Weinreich, 48, a former executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa in Reno, where he saw Mr. Paddock frequently from 2012 to 2014. When Mr. Paddock wanted food while he was gambling, he wanted it immediately and would order with more than one server if the meal did not arrive quickly enough.

Mr. Weinreich said he would get irritated and “uppity about it.”

I can see Stephen Paddock as someone with an entitlement mentality.

Mr. Paddock was the oldest, and least angry, of four boys growing up in the 1950s, said another brother, Patrick Benjamin Paddock II, 60, an engineer in Tucson. Stephen Paddock was born in Iowa, the home state of their mother, Irene Hudson.

“My brother was the most boring one in the family,” Patrick Paddock said. “He was the least violent one in the family, over a 30-year history, so it’s like, who?”

Their father, Patrick Benjamin Paddock, also known as Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, was mostly absent, living a life of crime even before the boys were born. A 1969 newspaper story described him as a “glib, smooth talking ‘confidence man,’ who is egotistic and arrogant.”

Stephen Paddock was good concealing and repressing his anger. He never showed anger because he was perpetually angry. He had resentment issues.

Stephen Paddock graduated from John H. Francis Polytechnic Senior High School in the Sun Valley neighborhood of Los Angeles in 1971, according to a Los Angeles Unified School District official. Richard Alarcon, a former Los Angeles city councilman, who lived near the Paddocks, said their neighborhood was working class, with a Japanese community center and tidy ranch houses bought with money from the G.I. Bill.

Mr. Alarcon took a science class with Mr. Paddock and remembered him as smart but with “a kind of irreverence. He didn’t always stay between the lines.”

He recalled a competition to build a bridge of balsa wood, without staples or glue. Mr. Paddock cheated, he said, using glue and extra wood.

“Everybody could see that he had cheated, but he just sort of laughed it off,” Mr. Alarcon said. “He had that funny quirky smile on his face like he didn’t care. He wanted to have the strongest bridge and he didn’t care what it took.”

Stephen Paddock was willing to break rules. He shrugged and laughed about it despite cheating. He could very well be antisocial.

By the 2000s, with both of his marriages long over, casinos became Mr. Paddock’s habitat. He liked being waited on, seeing shows and eating good food.

“He likes it when people go, ‘Oh, Mr. Paddock, can I get you a big bowl of the best shrimp anybody had ever eaten on the planet and a big glass of our best port?” Eric Paddock said.

Gambling made him feel important, if not social.

“You could tell that being in that high-limit gambling environment would lift him up,’’ said Mr. Weinreich, the Atlantis casino host in Reno. “He liked everyone doting on him.”

Looks like Stephen Paddock can be sociable when he wants to be. Paddock is grandiose approaching megalomania.

Looking at Stephen Paddock, I think he is a narcissist with psychopathic tendencies. He was most likely under the radar type psychopath. No one really knows the real and true Stephen Paddock.

He shows characteristics similar to Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Joran van der Sloot, Jodi Arias, and Lori Drew.

This is subject to change.

I'm inclined to agree with you, although I am no psychologist. There could be many more crimes he has committed that are not known about by the authorities.
My only other theory is that he was suffering from some sort of psychosis or possible schizophrenia that has only recently manifested.
I'm just speculating though, I could be totally wrong !

 

[dotr]

Some interesting points and quandaries concerning violence and illness.
Although obvious, never thought examining a killer's brain would be limited if he was shot in the head.

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/brian-dickerson/2017/10/05/las-vegas-shooter/732590001/
Oct 5 2017
Brian Dickerson,

I think about that tumor whenever I read that survivors and law enforcement authorities are grasping for a motive to explain the latest mass shooting. My suspicion that some similar neurological anomaly might await whatever pathologist has been designated to scrutinize Paddock's brain tissues grows each day the army of investigators reconstructing the Las Vegas shooter's final weeks fail to tease out a more obvious rationale.

I think it's likelier than not that researchers will one day be able to trace many of the horrific crimes we commonly attribute to resentment, physical abuse or "pure evil" to specific structural anomalies that can be identified, controlled or even eliminated via surgery or medical treatment.This does not necessarily absolve perpetrators of moral and legal culpability for terrible crimes, nor relieve first-responders and counter-terrorism officials of their responsibility to stop them. A man spraying bullets into a concert crowd because a malignancy has sprouted inside his head is every bit as dangerous as a shooter enraged by his girlfriend's infidelity or the suppression of Palestinian autonomy.

But it does suggest that we should address what goes on between the mass killer's ears as urgently and energetically as we address his access to firearms, his ability to cross borders, or his association with websites fometing political or religious violence.

I noted how frequently autopsists seeking neurological clues to a deceased gunman's lethal behavior are thwarted by damage sustained in gunfights with police or by self-inflicted gunshots. Although police have yet to reveal the particulars of Paddock's suicide, I suspect that he, too, may have obliterated the trove of evidence in his head

If we know that certain abnormalities are associated with a propensity for violence, should law-abiding citizens be screened for them?

 

[x_files]

There is no woman.

If a man told you he had a bunch of guns and was going to shoot up everyone at a concert, what would you do?

Assuming she is of sound mind, trusts authorities to contact them. The average law abiding citizen would not hesitate to call 911. What if she was an illegal immigrant/sex worker that did not trust authority?

 

[Elley Mae]

One of the ways that video poker players get an advantage is to play casino promotions, which essentially pay out bonuses to winners, said Richard Munchkin, author of “Gambling Wizards: Conversations With the World’s Greatest Gamblers.” A gambler like Mr. Paddock will often “lock” a machine, meaning he or she monopolizes it and makes sure no one else uses it during a gambling session.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.amp.html

Playing a slot machine can be mindless and is usually a guaranteed win for the casino. That is not what Mr. Paddock played. His game, video poker, requires some skill. Players have to know the history of a particular machine. They can do that by reading a pay table, which tells them what each possible winning hand pays out.
.....
Seems he was a numbers guy.
.....
For one casino promotion, Mr. Paddock showed up two hours early, locked two machines and played them for 14 hours straight, Mr. Munchkin said, based on information he had compiled from other gamblers who were there at the time. The promotion lasted 12 hours, he said, “but he wanted to play for two hours before anybody got those machines. He knew they were the best machines based on pay tables.”

Mr. Paddock “knew the house advantage down to a tenth of a percent,” he said.

.....

He had the money and he had the time.

 

[bluesneakers]

Assuming she is of sound mind, trusts authorities to contact them. The average law abiding citizen would not hesitate to call 911. What if she was an illegal immigrant/sex worker that did not trust authority?

We have no proof this happened. It's still just a hoax.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Sorry, autocorrect typo. Last line should be *we.

Edmond post office shooter. No political ax to grind. No manifesto. No criminal history. No spying. In fact, didn't Paddock work for the post office at some point? Paddock was disgruntled. She don't know about what just yet.

[emoji202]MOO

 

[bears10]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-las-vegas-shooter-had-vanilla-profile-243574

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/l...lem-gambler-casino-owner-says/article/2636867


http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...shooters-behavior-would-have-triggered-alarms

Well then I guess my husband and I would trigger major alarms because when we go to AC and Vegas with a lot of cash and valuables, we sometimes prefer to not have strangers in our room when we are not there.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Three police officers who responded to Paddock's hotel room at the Mandalay Bay have told CBS' "60 Minutes" that the note included handwritten calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize the carnage.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Officer Dave Newton told the newsmagazine. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...as-gunman-had-undiagnosed-mental-illness.html

Maybe I'm stupid, but I really don't get this. Wouldn't this type of calculation only be useful if you're aiming at a stationary target?

Why would he need calculations like this when he was shooting hundreds (thousands?) of rounds into a crowd of more than 20,000 people with an automatic weapon?

 

[bears10]

Stephen Paddock: Las Vegas shooter was 'the king of microaggression', brother says

https://www.google.com/amp/www.inde...her-shooter-background-life-a7987826.html?amp

Stephen Paddock usually kept a cigar at hand, even though he did not smoke. But he was quick to notice when somebody sat down beside him and lit up.

Then Paddock, a denizen of hazy casinos, would take out his cigar, light it and carefully aim its smoke back into the faces of those whose puffing annoyed him.

“He was the king of microaggression,” his brother, Eric, said.

When Paddock came into a Reno car dealership late this summer, he told salesman Scott Armstrong he was depressed and had relationship troubles.

SP and MD sure have very personal convos with car salesman. Jeez

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Nope. No way. The disease isn't conducive to violence of any kind. Have you ever had to interact with a diabetic person with low blood sugar?

Does anyone blame diabetic for anything? What in the world does that even mean? If diabetic commits crimes, do we just say, he/she is diabetic so we shouldn't charge them with anything? If a diabetic commits mass murder, is anybody going to use diabetes to justify it?

[emoji202]MOO

 

[bears10]

We have no proof this happened. It's still just a hoax.

No, he was def seen with a prostitute. The hoax part is the woman screaming you’re all going to die.

https://www.google.com/amp/abc7.com...n-with-prostitute-days-before-attack/2500795/

 

[cady]

If you knew you were going to die, what is the reason for hanging around?

In a crowd of 22,000, there could have been a lot of kooks saying a lot of kooky things. JMO

 

[x_files]

We have no proof this happened. It's still just a hoax.

No proof via media or LE right now, which is different than a hoax. We must wait to see if it's mentioned again in the investigation. Several witnesses seemed adamant it did indeed occur.

 

[Elley Mae]

Maybe I'm stupid, but I really don't get this. Wouldn't this type of calculation only be useful if you're aiming at a stationary target?

Why would he need calculations like this when he was shooting hundreds (thousands?) of rounds into a crowd of more than 20,000 people with an automatic weapon?

Not about being stupid.

Temperature, humidity, altitude, barometric pressure and what way the wind is blowing at 100 yards and at what speed and what the wind is doing at 300 yards all play into where to hold when you pull the trigger.

So with all that there are calculations.


All just my uneducated opine. ��