NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[Deleted member 39678]

JMO, he had fantasized about these scenarios through much of his adult life. It's what violent sociopaths do. The LA riots in the 90's gave him a legitimate excuse to sort of act out his fantasy. He didn't go through with it, but it was stimulating for him in a way that was different from others who were protecting their property. It was a memory he could recall again later when fantasizing about killing large numbers of innocent people. Like Dahmer and others, he was able to satisfy his cravings with these fantasies for many years, until the fantasies were no longer as effective. In a downward spiral of mental health problems and increasing substance abuse, he became unraveled and decided to finally live his fantasy in real life. Most psychopaths can only fantasize about heinous acts for so long before the urge grows stronger and the fantasies no longer work. They spend greater amounts of their waking hours dreaming of their murderous schemes. It takes over their life, interferes with work, personal relationships, daily life. Alcohol and drug abuse help dull the urge for a while, but eventually only make the situation much worse.

JMO, its not much different from a serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer, who began fantasizing about killing and dismembering people when he was still in high school. His friends from school said by junior and senior year, he was coming to school drunk nearly every day. He told authors and reporters he drank to deal with his rapidly escalating, violent fantasy life. The summer after high school, he could control himself no longer and finally acted on his fantasy.

BBM

So you feel that SP fantasized about killing people for 25 or more years before he acted? Seems like a really long time to suppress those urges. JMO

 

[Betty P]

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/0...ta-mesa-a-week-after-las-vegas-mass-shooting/

Thousands attend popular gun show in Costa Mesa a week after Las Vegas mass shooting

Horrifying. I could never attend one of those. I'd spend the whole time thinking half the people in there were murderous psychopaths. To be fair, though, it's probably only 1/3.

 

[bluesneakers]

JMO, he had fantasized about these scenarios through much of his adult life. It's what violent sociopaths do. The LA riots in the 90's gave him a legitimate excuse to sort of act out his fantasy. He didn't go through with it, but it was stimulating for him in a way that was different from others who were protecting their property. It was a memory he could recall again later when fantasizing about killing large numbers of innocent people. Like Dahmer and others, he was able to satisfy his cravings with these fantasies for many years, until the fantasies were no longer as effective. In a downward spiral of mental health problems and increasing substance abuse, he became unraveled and decided to finally live his fantasy in real life. Most psychopaths can only fantasize about heinous acts for so long before the urge grows stronger and the fantasies no longer work. They spend greater amounts of their waking hours dreaming of their murderous schemes. It takes over their life, interferes with work, personal relationships, daily life. Alcohol and drug abuse help dull the urge for a while, but eventually only make the situation much worse.

JMO, its not much different from a serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer, who began fantasizing about killing and dismembering people when he was still in high school. His friends from school said by junior and senior year, he was coming to school drunk nearly every day. He told authors and reporters he drank to deal with his rapidly escalating, violent fantasy life. The summer after high school, he could control himself no longer and finally acted on his fantasy.

So Paddock had either been fantasizing of rooftop murder of masses before the LA riots and used the event to play with his fantasy or he began his murderous obsession at that time. Either way, he spent many, many years dreaming of doing what he did last week in Vegas.

It's possible a seed was planted during the riots. And then it became a fantasy he revisited, and finally acted on.

 

[bluesneakers]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-ve...-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/

Las Vegas officers describe storming shooter Stephen Paddock’s hotel room

OMG that's horrifying.

 

[Tricia]

Getting ready to broadcast live in a few minutes with Dr. Glenn Lipson and Author Dawna Kaufman.

We will try and get into the brain of this sick twisted person.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...-radio-sunday-oct-8th-2017mass-shooting-vegas

 

[Betty P]

BBM

So you feel that SP fantasized about killing people for 25 or more years before he acted? Seems like a really long time to suppress those urges. JMO

Yes, I think he probably did. Being an intelligent person with a lot of self-control, he was able to suppress it for a long time or at least find some harmless outlet for those feelings. But they can only do that for so long before they begin to experience psychological breakdown and decline. When he began to self-medicate with alcohol and possibly other drugs, the decline accelerated. The guy was full of murderous rage he couldn't contain or control. At least he knew it was wrong and chose to kill himself when he finally took the big step.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I'm updating our neglected media thread on this case if anyone wants to join in. There's plenty to add. Headed over to listen to the WS podcast while I do it.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Bay-mass-shooting-in-Las-Vegas-1-October-2017

 

[Gooddeeds]

-please post any SP/Vegas MSM news from today. I am not able to tune in until later tomorrow. Thanks to all.

 

[HMSHood]

Some stuff about this still just doesn't sit right with me (and I'm not saying that in an endorsing conspiracy theories kind of way either, fwiw.)


He's in his sixties with really no criminal history to speak of. Yes, he's a hard-core gambler, but disciplined enough about it to stay solvent. If he was an accountant he went to school for that and even though he didn't hold a job, his history suggests he could.

No note or manifesto feels weird - no attempt at impression management. And we've seen he can be snide, we're not hearing about angry outbursts or anything.

He seems meticulous about detail, like he would have enjoyed the planning much more than the crime itself. I almost feel like he wanted to prove to himself that he could master a complex scenario like this. And yes, he seems utterly without hesitation or remorse.

I've been trying to find a mass shooter he reminds me of, and I just can't. Any kind of well-known killer, and nothing fits. Maybe it's a weird way to look at it, but the closest personality profile that makes sense to me is someone like Robert Hansen, the FBI agent caught spying for the Russians. (And NO, I'm NOT trying to insinuate Paddock was involved in anything like that!) But Hansen, who also grew up with an (emotionally) absent father and also trained as an accountant and later worked for the Feds, lived a life almost entirely of contradictions, totally compartmentalized parallel lives, with his job, with his wife, etc. Hansen had no political axes to grind, he claimed his sole motive was profit, but I wonder if he didn't just like proving he could execute these highly complex operations too.

Interesting about Robert Hansen. Hansen is a strange person all around. It could very well be that Stephen Paddock likes to execute complex operations like Hansen. Somehow I also see Elliot Rodger and Andrew Cunanan. I posted this earlier.

Some caught my attention.

“He acted like everybody worked for him and that he was above others,” said John Weinreich, 48, a former executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa in Reno, where he saw Mr. Paddock frequently from 2012 to 2014. When Mr. Paddock wanted food while he was gambling, he wanted it immediately and would order with more than one server if the meal did not arrive quickly enough.

Mr. Weinreich said he would get irritated and “uppity about it.”

I can see Stephen Paddock as someone with an entitlement mentality.

Mr. Paddock was the oldest, and least angry, of four boys growing up in the 1950s, said another brother, Patrick Benjamin Paddock II, 60, an engineer in Tucson. Stephen Paddock was born in Iowa, the home state of their mother, Irene Hudson.

“My brother was the most boring one in the family,” Patrick Paddock said. “He was the least violent one in the family, over a 30-year history, so it’s like, who?”

Their father, Patrick Benjamin Paddock, also known as Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, was mostly absent, living a life of crime even before the boys were born. A 1969 newspaper story described him as a “glib, smooth talking ‘confidence man,’ who is egotistic and arrogant.”

Stephen Paddock was good concealing and repressing his anger. He never showed anger because he was perpetually angry. He had resentment issues.

Stephen Paddock graduated from John H. Francis Polytechnic Senior High School in the Sun Valley neighborhood of Los Angeles in 1971, according to a Los Angeles Unified School District official. Richard Alarcon, a former Los Angeles city councilman, who lived near the Paddocks, said their neighborhood was working class, with a Japanese community center and tidy ranch houses bought with money from the G.I. Bill.

Mr. Alarcon took a science class with Mr. Paddock and remembered him as smart but with “a kind of irreverence. He didn’t always stay between the lines.”

He recalled a competition to build a bridge of balsa wood, without staples or glue. Mr. Paddock cheated, he said, using glue and extra wood.

“Everybody could see that he had cheated, but he just sort of laughed it off,” Mr. Alarcon said. “He had that funny quirky smile on his face like he didn’t care. He wanted to have the strongest bridge and he didn’t care what it took.”

Stephen Paddock was willing to break rules. He shrugged and laughed about it despite cheating. He could very well be antisocial.

By the 2000s, with both of his marriages long over, casinos became Mr. Paddock’s habitat. He liked being waited on, seeing shows and eating good food.

“He likes it when people go, ‘Oh, Mr. Paddock, can I get you a big bowl of the best shrimp anybody had ever eaten on the planet and a big glass of our best port?” Eric Paddock said.

Gambling made him feel important, if not social.

“You could tell that being in that high-limit gambling environment would lift him up,’’ said Mr. Weinreich, the Atlantis casino host in Reno. “He liked everyone doting on him.”

Looks like Stephen Paddock can be sociable when he wants to be. Paddock is grandiose approaching megalomania.

Looking at Stephen Paddock, I think he is a narcissist with psychopathic tendencies. He was most likely under the radar type psychopath. No one really knows the real and true Stephen Paddock.

He shows characteristics similar to Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Joran van der Sloot, Jodi Arias, and Lori Drew.

This is subject to change.

Stephen Paddock showed an entitlement mentality. He demanded his order would get in fast and if not would order more. He wanted to adulation and respect at casinos. Paddock shows characteristics similar to Elliot Rodger, Andrew Cunanan, Charles Whitman, Adam Lanza, Jodi Arias, and Lori Drew. All of them are injustice collectors. However, with Drew, she needs approval and acceptance. Paddock and the rest prefer respect.

Whitman and Paddock shot from high above and shot their victims from above.

 

[m00c0w]

Yes, I think he probably did. Being an intelligent person with a lot of self-control, he was able to suppress it for a long time or at least find some harmless outlet for those feelings. But they can only do that for so long before they begin to experience psychological breakdown and decline. When he began to self-medicate with alcohol and possibly other drugs, the decline accelerated. The guy was full of murderous rage he couldn't contain or control. At least he knew it was wrong and chose to kill himself when he finally took the big step.

Do you know for a fact he was self-medicating with alcohol? Do you know if there was actually a "mental decline"? What are these items being based on? Why do you feel that there wasn't a trigger sometime in October that caused him to start planning something he was capable of, but had no other interest in prior? Why do you feel there is a mental health aspect such as sociopathy, when we know next to nothing about him (and are therefore taking shots in the dark at nearly anything mental health related), versus something like radicalization occurring over the last several months?

Him committing suicide also doesn't mean he thought what he did was actually wrong, at all. At its very basic, it just meant he did not want to go through our legal system.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, I think he probably did. Being an intelligent person with a lot of self-control, he was able to suppress it for a long time or at least find some harmless outlet for those feelings. But they can only do that for so long before they begin to experience psychological breakdown and decline. When he began to self-medicate with alcohol and possibly other drugs, the decline accelerated. The guy was full of murderous rage he couldn't contain or control. At least he knew it was wrong and chose to kill himself when he finally took the big step.

It's a shame he didn't die of old age before he lost control. JMO

 

[TXNurse77]

Just adding again, there are videos on YouTube for anyone interested in watching the video themselves (witness's direct account to reporter of the woman/couple, seems credible, moo)

The girl says the lady was escorted out by security. I believe MSM stated that venue security could find no proof of that happening. This is how it was discounted... some people want to insert themselves into tragedy and/or get on camera... MOO


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[fred&edna]

Listening to Dawna Kaufmann on WS Radio mentioning "Janet" airline... hmmm... interesting... so, I googled

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_(airline)

ETA: Not going down this conspiracy rabbit hole. I simply found this interesting.

 

[Ambitioned]

I guess because anyone who would shoot into a crowd of strangers, hoping to kill 500 or more, would have mental health issues.

I have said the same thing about Jihadists. I think any of them who can drive a truck into a crowd on the street is mentally ill. It does nt mean they are not Jihadi Warriors as well. But I think it takes some kind of mental illness to allow a person to slit a strangers throat or drive over a family with a truck. JMO

Yes. To add to your post, I feel the same with bombers or for example, a man who killed 33 people with a knife. There has to be a disconnect somewhere in the brain. It's no longer firing on all cylinders.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...in-deadly-attacks-on-china-train-station.html

 

[Tricia]

Listening to Dawna Kaufmann on WS Radio mentioning "Janet" airline... hmmm... interesting... so, I googled

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_(airline)

ETA: Not going down this conspiracy rabbit hole. I simply found this interesting.

I had no idea either. Very interesting. The link is good if you want to listen to the show later.

 

[Tricia]

Here is the link to the show.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...-radio-sunday-oct-8th-2017mass-shooting-vegas

 

[CARIIS]

I found it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-brother-Las-Vegas-gunman-wanted-police.html[

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Do you know for a fact he was self-medicating with alcohol?

One of the references about the alcohol use was posted by me in this thread. There was an interview with a hairdresser who had cut his hair three times in the past year and a half, in Mesquite. This was on CNN. The reporter said that others who worked in this salon confirmed her story.

The hairdresser said that he came in between 8am and 9am for each hair cut and smelled like alcohol. On at least one visit, he told her he had been up all night gambling.

 

[m00c0w]

One of the references about the alcohol use was posted by me in this thread. There was an interview with a hairdresser who had cut his hair three times in the past year and a half, in Mesquite. This was on CNN. The reporter said that others who worked in this salon confirmed her story.

The hairdresser said that he came in between 8am and 9am for each hair cut and smelled like alcohol. On at least one visit, he told her he had been up all night gambling.

Drinking and gambling can go hand-in-hand for some people. He may have consumed larges amounts of alcohol, of course. Does that mean he was necessarily drinking to "help" with a problem?

 

[human]

“Someone” wasn’t you. It was human, where this discussion originated, claiming he went up there to mow people down.

No, this discussion did not originate with me. Sorry. Not going back for a replay, though