NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[Gardenista]

My gut is it was in either the LV Review Journal or the LV Sun

Found it

A hairstylist named Kallie Beig told CNN she cut Paddock’s hair at least three times over the past three years.
An employee at Great Clips in Mesquite looked up Paddock and Danley in the store’s system and found no information on them.
“There’s no record of him here,” she said, looking at the computer screen. “We have no memory of him.”

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...-not-paddock-left-little-imprint-on-mesquite/

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5602017175001/?#sp=show-clips

Urging other ladies of the night that might have been with killer to come forward, even if they live a straight laced life now. The killer has been active in Las Vegas since 2006 and it could be something he said to a woman that answers the question as to why he did this. <in my words> I didn't quote the video verbatim.



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[MzOpinion8d]

Oh God I love this and am stealing it to describe to my stepdaughter her stage 5 clinger, shady ex who she still talks to daily [emoji17]

OT: have her listen to the 6 episode podcast "Dirty John."

 

[HMSHood]

I do not understand the mental illness part. We all do stuff we are not supposed to do. I kmow this to be a fact and I do not need a link cuz no one is perfect.

Some of us do more bad stuff than others. Are we all mentally ill because I think almost all people have things that have happened in their lives.

I cannot believe that SP did not know what he was doing was wrong, otherwise,,he would have bragged about his fabulous plan to others.Rather, he kept it secret and taped his fabulous math calculations so,LE and the world would see how brilliant he was.

He was totally self absorbed and he grew more and more in love with himself.

Some people kill their children because they believe they are saving from the big,bad world.

I,think,SP was showing the world how superior he was. Is that mentally ill?

I think,he had the choice of kmowing right from wrong and did not care. It is all about him

I suspect that Stephen Paddock is more a psychopath than psychotic.

I tend to think he has more in common with Andrew Cunanan, Elliot Rodger, or Eric Harris.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

My friend’s daughter and three others girls were there but not at the concert, They were unable to get tickets.

The girls split up . Two tried to get tickets and the other two were one block away when people started screaming and running.They started running but did not know what was going on or where they should run to,.

I will skip the rest of the story and start at being home in MN.

My friend’s daughter could not get out of bed to go to work. My daughter went to see the other girl on Weds and when she opened the door, she started crying.

These girls are 40 and 44.I have known them before they were born. I guess they aren’t that young.

Anyway, I don’t they saw any carnage. They nevertheless are suffering from PTSD.

I can’t imagine what Breane is going through because she had to have seen a lot

I'm wondering about this info a little, because I thought the song Jason Aldean was performing was the last one for the night and the concert was nearly over. Maybe I misinterpreted something I read.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes. To add to your post, I feel the same with bombers or for example, a man who killed 33 people with a knife. There has to be a disconnect somewhere in the brain. It's no longer firing on all cylinders.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...in-deadly-attacks-on-china-train-station.html

We dont know though..
We are speculating.
The brain is a physical organ, after all. We are not a homogeneous race.
A jihadi sees heaven in the barrel of a gun/sv or whatever modus operandi he believes in as vehicle.
How does one argue with that?
They believe they have a Divine mission to fulfil, slaughter the outsiders. For God.
Many of us have the experience of a cult.. very many of the anti govt 'citizens' off shoot groups embrace mystical/magical practices.
Thats where I was searching for him, and others in the past.. that due to gf sister's Aussie partner description of his knowledge of 2nd amendment as reported by Guardian newspaper.. but then somebody pointed out that the Aussie guy may not have been that knowledgeable himself.
The 'gun-room' could have been a gun closet at that point.. I dont know.

Its possible, if the trail goes down the anti-gov route that the dates were either significant to him personally or to whatever 'cult' he belonged to- but this is really speculative.. I found no evidence at all of his involvement or the significance of the date but theres hundreds of groups.. needle on a haystack..

 

[cady]

Re: Haircuts.....possibly no appointment required? She supposedly said that he was always there early am. If he paid in cash there wouldn't necessarily be evidence of his name, unless he used a credit card. JMO Weirder things have happened, but if the hairdresser is lying about it that's pretty gutsy of her. I tend to believe her....tend....

 

[Gooddeeds]

-Thanks for the links, I see the narrative for the barricaded stairwell door. I’m looking for “police storm through the door to SP room” footage and actual photos. I also don’t see any new photos or footage from inside the room. Is there anything new, other than the same photo over and over again? Did 60minutes consist of LE dialogue only...no photos of the room or SP?
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“The police officers who responded to Stephen Paddock’s room tell the CBS program “60 Minutes” that they used a pry bar to open the door after he screwed a piece of metal on it.

In the “60 Minutes” segment, the officers also *DESCRIBED* in harrowing detail how they rushed to his room.

Inside Paddock’s room, the officers *DESCRIBED* seeing rifles, electronics, drills and stacks of ammunition magazines.

They went into the room after Paddock shot and killed himself. At that point, they were unsure if there were other shooters or whether the floor was booby-trapped”
TIA

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Re: Haircuts.....possibly no appointment required? She supposedly said that he was always there early am. If he paid in cash there wouldn't necessarily be evidence of his name, unless he used a credit card. JMO Weirder things have happened, but if the hairdresser is lying about it that's pretty gutsy of her. I tend to believe her....tend....

Sometimes I make an appointment for a haircut and sometimes I don't. My barber is flexible.

 

[human]

I'm wondering about this info a little, because I thought the song Jason Aldean was performing was the last one for the night and the concert was nearly over. Maybe I misinterpreted something I read.

I'm wondering about this info a little, because I thought the song Jason Aldean was performing was the last one for the night and the concert was nearly over. Maybe I misinterpreted something I read.

What does Jason have to do with anything? The girls were not at the concert. Two went over to the gate and were going to try to get cheap tickets. The other two decided to go do somethng else.

They started running when they saw people running and screaming. They had no idea what was going on. Then someone said it was an active shooter.

They went up some ramp and hid. The one girl was so terrified she could not even talk or think,

The other girl said they would be safer in their room so she pushed the other girl to go to the Paris where they were staying. They went in a side door and it was all dark and no one was there except SWAT . They had to go to a room, walking with their hands above their heads. It was a room with no furniture and about two,hundered other people.

At some point they were led out of that room to another, all walking with hands above their heads. Around four in the morning, they were released to go to thier room in the hotel

They do not know what happened to the people who wwre not staying in the hotel.

The other two girls stayed somewhere but did not have to walk with hands above their heads. I do not have their story at this point.

 

[neesaki]

Just a little OT reminder for our loyal Websleuths members: Websleuths needs help. Anything you can do is greatly appreciated.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/announcement.php?f=609

 

[IQuestion]

Someone posted a story here that said the salon checked their records and he'd never been there

Hmmm, I remember the stylist saying that he REFUSED to fill out any client cards. And, she added that it was his right, as some people don't want to give out any info. Since every time he came in, he was accompanied by MLD or MD (but MLD is what I prefer), perhaps the appt was under her name??? I also got the feeling it was a "quick cuts" sort of place and it was NOT necessary to have an appt if you got there early in the A.M. I don't think the hairdresser was making up any stories, because he did have to go somewhere to get his hair cut, once in a while in his life. The fact she mentioned he came so infrequently, would also be in line with his less than stellar grooming habits! Besides, she even mentioned MLD was going to Philippines and "he was not"... also turned out to be accurate. And, as far as Mr. Wynn knowing whether or not he drank?? Does somebody keep an accounting of how many drinks are served to "one person" at a slot machine?? But, not aware of who SP entertains in his "comp'd suites."?? So much of this is making me less and less desirous of going into a casino/hotel complex ever again. (In defense of casinos, I'm probably not the kind of customer they are desirous of either. Lol.... I'm not much of a drinker and work too hard to hand over my sweat equity to a mindless machine.)

 

[mpnola]

There is no woman.

If a man told you he had a bunch of guns and was going to shoot up everyone at a concert, what would you do?

I think there are 2 different issues here.

#1- was there a woman running around shouting that everyone was going to die.
Well, maybe. It was reported by a girl that was interviewed she heard it.

#2- if there was a lady, did she actually know there was going to be a shooting?
Well, probably not. People say things all the time and they aren't true. Like I said, every time I go to the French quarter, there are people with signs telling you that you are going to die and go to hell if you dont leave bourbon st. Have I died and gone to hell? Not yet. And i have been going since i was 14. I don't think I will ever visit downstairs. Do they stand on the same street they are proclaiming death upon? Yep! Every day! And if someone dies and goes to hell tonight, was it prophetic? Nah. Just a wackadoodle who screamed it out on the right night.

So, when people say it's possible there was a lady screaming, they are only validating the fact that it might have happened. Not that it was true.

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[al66pine]

Haircuts: Gardenista post & cady post.

For reasons below IMO, both Great Clips employees could have told TRUTH, that is:

1. SP&#8217;s name was not in computer system AND
2. SP got haircuts there multiple times in past couple years.

^ Not mutually exclusive.^

On customer&#8217;s arrival at Great Clips, before putting customer in computer queue for service, G/Cs employee asks for phone number. May or may not ask for name, address, etc.

JME in getting haircuts at G/Cs in several diff states (the most recent just last month). I&#8217;ve seen several customers refuse to give phone number, and surely they could give bogusphone number and/or name.

IOW, even seeming to contradict each other, both employees may have told truth. Of course, also poss that one or both were not truthful, IDK.
JMO.


ETA:
Thx IQuestion for intervening post & insight.
IME, G/C did NOT ask me to fill in hard-copy card or form, but did ask me to tell them(orally) my phone number.
Also customers can &#8220;check in" online to be put in computer queuefor service SAME day, but GC does not take appointments like old school/traditionalsalons. Poss (but unlikely IME) that GC &#8216;appointment&#8217; i.e., computer check-in,was made in MLD&#8217;s name.
If so, employee could do a search & find incomputer.
^- FWIW

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I think it's important in the current context to understand what money laundering is, since it seems some previous posters (not you, BCA!) aren't clear about it.

Money laundering is the process by which cash gained by criminal activity is entered into the legitimate banking system and moved around in such a way as to disguise its origin so that it becomes "clean".

Almost all significant criminal activity at the front end generates large amounts of cash. Users pay cash for drugs. Punters pay cash for prostitutes. Shopkeepers pay cash for protection. Loan sharks make loans and receive repayments in cash.

All of that cash has to be made "legitimate" in order to be truly useful to criminals.

I'll take "Why Mobsters Started Casinos In The First Place" for $500, Alex.

You're so right about this.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

However, since he was a retired accountant , could he have possibly known ways to pay lump sums of cash (house), without raising suspicion ?


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Yes, exactly, so why didn't he? That's what has me puzzled.

 

[HastingsChi]

Something I haven't heard discussed:
* The shooting lasted circa 10-15 mins.
* The shooter's door wasn't breached (immediately followed by his own suicide) for 40-60 minutes after the last shot was fired.

What did the shooter do for 40-60 mins after he stopped shooting and before his door was breached?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Whatever MSM media links/pix/videos you find related to this case, you can post them on the media thread, too. The list now obviously isn't all-inclusive. Same with this thread. I'm not sure any video of the actual police entry into SP's room exists?? If you've seen it and find it on a MSM site, please add it. Ditto for anything else ya find. tia

-Thanks for the links, I see the narrative for the barricaded stairwell door. I&#8217;m looking for &#8220;police storm through the door to SP room&#8221; footage and actual photos. I also don&#8217;t see any new photos or footage from inside the room. Is there anything new, other than the same photo over and over again? Did 60minutes consist of LE dialogue only...no photos of the room or SP?
*******************************************

&#8220;The police officers who responded to Stephen Paddock&#8217;s room tell the CBS program &#8220;60 Minutes&#8221; that they used a pry bar to open the door after he screwed a piece of metal on it.

In the &#8220;60 Minutes&#8221; segment, the officers also *DESCRIBED* in harrowing detail how they rushed to his room.

Inside Paddock&#8217;s room, the officers *DESCRIBED* seeing rifles, electronics, drills and stacks of ammunition magazines.

They went into the room after Paddock shot and killed himself. At that point, they were unsure if there were other shooters or whether the floor was booby-trapped&#8221;
TIA

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

It seems he was dead some time before the breach.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-ve...-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/

Something I haven't heard discussed:
* The shooting lasted circa 10-15 mins.
* The shooter's door wasn't breached (immediately followed by his own suicide) for 40-60 minutes after the last shot was fired.

What did the shooter do for 40-60 mins after he stopped shooting and before his door was breached?

 

[MsFacetious]

Would a leftie do that clockwise?

I am a leftie. I do my 8, 0 and o counter clockwise.
However I'm also very ambidextrous and only really write with my left hand. If that matters.

Not to be overly grim, but I imagine there wouldn't be much to study after he killed himself. The trauma would probably be massive.

[emoji202]MOO

Obviously I didn't see inside his head. However the damage was much less than I anticipated.
He definitely didn't "blow his brains out" as the saying goes. There will likely be plenty to study.
Though some measurements may not be able to be taken. If there is a tumor or something, it should still be identifiable.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-las-vegas-shooter-had-vanilla-profile-243574

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/l...lem-gambler-casino-owner-says/article/2636867


http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...shooters-behavior-would-have-triggered-alarms

Wow.
So they are saying if I didn't want anyone in my room... they'd come in and investigate anyway? :scared:
I don't like to allow people in my hotel room because I don't trust anybody.
I wouldn't do well at one of his businesses.
Pretty sure statistically odds of that client being robbed are higher than them being a mass shooter.

Not only that, but idk why they’d check on him. There was activity of him coming in and out of the room, and he also ordered room service.

I’ve never been checked on by the front desk in AC or Vegas when we’ve left the do not disturb sign up. We bring our own toiletries, and ask for towels when we see housekeeping in the hall. We order room service, use our players cards, and go in and out of the room so we are alive. We just don’t want strangers in our room when we have a lot of cash in there. I don’t trust the safes 100%. Maybe I’m just paranoid but we bring a lot of money and it’s not worth the risk to me.

I think Steve Wynn is full of crap and frankly I think he’s just trying to make it like his property is safer than the MGM resorts.

I agree, I think he just lost more business than he gained with that too.