NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[jjenny]

My understanding of the shooting only lasting for 11min and the SWAT team not breaching the door for around an hour was that SP stopped shooting when the lone security guard randomly walked by his room and he shot him in the leg through the door. I believe they think he spent the next little bit figuring out if he could still try to escape, but when he saw SWAT approach, he then shot himself.

Security guard alerted LE to shooters location via some sort of communication device but I think SWAT still had to clear the hotel room by room.

I may be wrong on this but I know I read this somewhere or heard in an interview. I'll try to find link.


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As far as I can tell, they haven't heard when exactly he shot himself.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Or perhaps some of these people aren't providing accurate information.

That's as likely to be true, too. My mind latched onto this because I have a relative who presents himself so differently to different people that I think many people who think they know him do not.

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[JLD333]

As far as I can tell, they haven't heard when exactly he shot himself.

Just read the transcript and you're right. It seems like early on they said he shot at the SWAT team through the door once they got up there but I see now that wasn't the case. It was just the security guard.


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[m00c0w]

As far as I can tell, they haven't heard when exactly he shot himself.

Or they at least haven't released it to the public. They're holding a lot of information close, for some reason. Some people on another message board have found videos where you can heart two distinct lower-power gunshots spaced out about 10 seconds from each other before the shooting completely stops, and it's been surmised that's when he actually did it. If that is the case, it was not long after his last volley of like-auto gunfire.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

FBI rechecks Vegas gunman’s house
Associated Press Published 6:30 a.m. ET Oct. 9, 2017

Las Vegas — Federal investigators returned to search the home of the Las Vegas gunman for “re-documenting and rechecking.”

The search of Stephen Paddock’s three-bedroom house on a cul-de-sac in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nevada, came exactly a week after Paddock opened fire on a country music crowd, killing 58 and injuring nearly 500.

In addition, the officers who raided his hotel room door the night of the shooting gave a harrowing account of a barricaded door they had to bust through and the booby-traps they feared they’d find.

Officials said Paddock had screwed shut the door with a piece of metal and some screws, but an officer had a pry bar and was able to easily pop it open.

More about the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/09/las-vegas-shooting/106458838/

 

[jjenny]

Or they at least haven't released it to the public. They're holding a lot of information close, for some reason. Some people on another message board have found videos where you can heart two distinct lower-power gunshots spaced out about 10 seconds from each other before the shooting completely stops, and it's been surmised that's when he actually did it. If that is the case, it was not long after his last volley of like-auto gunfire.

He wouldn't have shot himself twice, since it was a head wound.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'm wondering why they were trying to get tickets when the last song of the show and festival was playing.

I honestly thought he had just begun his second song when this happened. The initial accounts I read said that the opening act had just finished.

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[m00c0w]

He wouldn't have shot himself twice, since it was a head wound.

I don't believe I've seen any source that states he only had one gunshot wound.

 

[jjenny]

I don't believe I've seen any source that states he only had one gunshot wound.

He shot himself in the mouth. Presumably one wound would be immediately fatal, not allowing him to shoot himself twice.

 

[jjenny]

That's as likely to be true, too. My mind latched onto this because I have a relative who presents himself so differently to different people that I think many people who think they know him do not.

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Some of this information is coming from people who don't seem to have any evidence to back up that they actually met him (ever).

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think we have seen any evidence showing SP as being mentally ill. For some reason many want to apply that 'one blanket covers all' even if there isn't evidence of it.

Personally, I dont think SP did this because he was mentally ill. He seemed to be able to do daily activities very well. It was noted that he always paid his casino bill and didn't shortchange any of the casinos. There isn't any violent criminal history in his past that I can tell. No one is claiming he assaulted them and he seemed to have a good relationship with his ex wives. He was able to become a millionaire and that takes hard work when someone hasnt been born into wealth. Evidently he reported all of his wins to IRS showing he won millions in 2015 and it very likely could be he reported high wins in 2016. So it seems he wasn't a man who tried to get around his responsibilities.

The motive could be very simple. He did it because he wanted to and knew he could. Maybe after the Pulse mass shooting he began to think to himself. 'I can do a mass shooting much larger than Mateen was able to accomplish.' 'One where it will be hard to ever break my infamous record.' 'I will also target those who are out having a good time.' etc.

Imo, he saw this as another achievement just like he saw himself do when he became a millionaire even though from a family with little means growing up.

I think he most likely was of high intelligence and this allowed him to obsess over the finite details. The planning and putting this all together, detail by tiny detail was a thrilling to him as accomplishing his mission to become the worst mass shooter in our recent history.

I don't think he was angry at anyone. Imo, he was calm throughout starting with amassing more weapons in 2016-2017, making sure MD was out of the country, and that she had ample funds. All of it was calculating. It was like he had a long list of 'things to do' and methodically crossed them off as they were done.

It shows he really didn't have a lot of knowledge on calibrating his weapons to be able to site the weapons in to get the most impact. So like the obsessive detailed man that he was he wrote it all down, and followed the instructions he had written down in his room, step by step. He wanted to make sure he had everything setup just right.

He had already done what most would never get to do in their lives. So this is the only way he could be remembered forever even if it was doing the most heinous mass shooting to date. He knew he had set the bar high for the next mass shooter to break his infamous record. This was like a competition to him.

IMO

 

[Ambitioned]

FBI rechecks Vegas gunman’s house
Associated Press Published 6:30 a.m. ET Oct. 9, 2017

Las Vegas — Federal investigators returned to search the home of the Las Vegas gunman for “re-documenting and rechecking.”

The search of Stephen Paddock’s three-bedroom house on a cul-de-sac in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nevada, came exactly a week after Paddock opened fire on a country music crowd, killing 58 and injuring nearly 500.

In addition, the officers who raided his hotel room door the night of the shooting gave a harrowing account of a barricaded door they had to bust through and the booby-traps they feared they’d find.

Officials said Paddock had screwed shut the door with a piece of metal and some screws, but an officer had a pry bar and was able to easily pop it open.

More about the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/09/las-vegas-shooting/106458838/

Good! Sometimes a second pass/fresh pair or eyes helps.

 

[bears10]

He said he was prescribed Valium "for anxiousness" by Nevada internist Steven P. Winkler. It was unclear how often he took the drug, but he estimated that he had 10 or 15 pills remaining in a bottle of 60 that were prescribed a year and a half earlier.

"He's like on retainer, I call it, I guess," Paddock said of Winkler. "It means I pay a fee yearly ... I have good access to him."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html

Taking 50 valium over the course of a year and half is not that big of a deal IMO. Also I think it is interesting that he had his doctor on retainer. I have never heard of having a doctor on retainer.



The article has a bunch of info from his deposition from the Cosmopolitan lawsuit.

 

[HastingsChi]

Was dying?

Nope. LE has stated multiple times that he did not take his own life until they made entry.

 

[Cryptic]

Re: Haircuts.....possibly no appointment required? She supposedly said that he was always there early am. If he paid in cash there wouldn't necessarily be evidence of his name, unless he used a credit card. I tend to believe her....tend....

Good points. Then factor in that SP, though not paranoid, apparently liked to leave minimal traces of himself. I can see him habitually paying cash for a lot of purchases.

Also, men's barbershops are not nearly so appointment oriented as women's beauty salons. Most men tend to be relatively "in and out" about haircuts. Thus the name "shop" verse "salon". Even when busy, the wait at traditional barbershops is usually not that long. If that place was a "shop", then I bet most customers never had appointments.

 

[jjenny]

Nope. LE has stated multiple times that he did not take his own life until they made entry.

What I heard them say is that they don't know when exactly he killed himself.

 

[bears10]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html

Taking 50 valium over the course of a year and half is not that big of a deal IMO. Also I think it is interesting that he had his doctor on retainer. I have never heard of having a doctor on retainer.



The article has a bunch of info from his deposition from the Cosmopolitan lawsuit.

More from the link..

Paddock did not detail the initial source of his wealth. He at times came off as arrogant and sarcastic during the deposition, the transcript suggests.

At one point he was asked whether he was sober on the night of the accident.

"I was my normal happy-go-lucky self," he said. "Perfectly sober."

BBM

 

[jjenny]

Good points. Then factor in that SP, though not paranoid, apparently liked to leave minimal traces of himself. I can see him habitually paying cash for a lot of purchases.

Also, men's barbershops are not nearly so appointment oriented as women's beauty salons. Most men tend to be relatively "in and out" about haircuts. Thus the name "shop" verse "salon". Even when busy, the wait at traditional barbershops is usually not that long. If that place was a "shop", then I bet most customers never had appointments.

Yet he supposedly managed to convey information about himself and his girlfriend during those haircuts. By the way this is not a men's barber shop, it's a chain. They do haircuts for men, women and children.

 

[m00c0w]

He shot himself in the mouth. Presumably one wound would be immediately fatal, not allowing him to shoot himself twice.

He eventually shot himself in the mouth, yes. And that would be fatal, yes. However, we have not been told if he only had one GSW. Nothing precludes him at this point from having attempted another method, and having to fall back on the mouth route when the first attempt did not succeed as planned.

 

[jjenny]

He eventually shot himself in the mouth, yes. And that would be fatal, yes. However, we have not been told if he only had one GSW. Nothing precludes him at this point from having attempted another method, and having to fall back on the mouth route when the first attempt did not succeed as planned.

I find that highly unlikely. Presumably if he contemplated suicide he would have figured out how to accomplished that without having to shoot himself twice.