NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[Gooddeeds]

I would think a big entity like this is not gonna mess with a violation in this domain.

How hard is it to hire licensed sec guard for hotel

There would have to be some reason for them to hire him even if not licensed?

Its interesting-- he is the one that LE allowed to go away, out of town, for a bit for refresher,?

I don't ever remember anything like that happening before

He was the closest most needed witness to outline what transpired.

Can you imagine , an eye witness up close witness , to say one of those stabbings being allowed a short vacation , and leave the area of the stabbing before talking with LE!!

And now that I think about -- that might the reason they did not get the timeline right -- someone in control let him leave town instantly -- so maybe they did not even get the chance to talk to him until the timeline change .


just speculating

-I’m with you all the way. It is unacceptable for a company to rush to get their license in order when they under the spotlight gun. How can they provide protection when they are not protected with an expired license???

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I would think a big entity like this is not gonna mess with a violation in this domain.

How hard is it to hire licensed sec guard for hotel

There would have to be some reason for them to hire him even if not licensed?

Its interesting-- he is the one that LE allowed to go away, out of town, for a bit for refresher,?

I don't ever remember anything like that happening before

He was the closest most needed witness to outline what transpired.

Can you imagine , an eye witness up close witness , to say one of those stabbings being allowed a short vacation , and leave the area of the stabbing before talking with LE!!

And now that I think about -- that might the reason they did not get the timeline right -- someone in control let him leave town instantly -- so maybe they did not even get the chance to talk to him until the timeline change .

just speculating

I would not call it a refresher or a vacation after someone has been shot on the job. We don't say cops are taking a refresher if they go stay with a friend or with family after being shot. It sounds to me like he was allowed to recuperate outside the city, and nothing more.

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[m00c0w]

BBM

What is being said and in what places?

I am well aware that the article is 15 years old, however, since a local and credible source reported definitively that private casino's did not have to hire nor require that their security guards be licensed or certified under State Regulations, unless we see otherwise, there is nothing strange, nefarious, or weird about JC not being on some list of certified SG's and no apparent laws have been broken.

Unless of course, there has been a very significant change in law requiring private casinos to do so, than the entire conversation casting suspicion on JC and his lack of certification should die. I thank you for not repeating it now that we are aware that there is a very significant difference in regulation between State / City/ Security Guard and Private Investigators and likely Private Casino security guard employees.

BBM

I am not aware of that. The verbiage was changed in 2009, from simply needing a Sheriff's work card in the county to needing to register through the state. I'm simply giving the benefit of the doubt in case something is being wildly misunderstood (which I find unlikely, but will respect).

 

[Betty P]

are these the same people that they hired to guard Jesus home

I got confused but the company that is supposedly guarding his they are not on i don't remember the name of the certification thing it was something like that security company id not listed as registered to be a security system or something

any news on presser time or have they cancelled that too!

That link is the national labor union that represents the security employees at the Mandalay Bay. They have a long history, have been around since 1948.

The SPFPA represents Thousands of Security Police Professionals working for such companies as Wackenhut, Securitas, Akal, Loomis Fargo & Co. Wells Fargo, Boeing, NASA Space Center, Disney, The White House and MGM Casino just to name a few.

http://www.spfpa.org/history-spfpa.html

I checked them out a few days ago when checking union membership of both Campos and Schuck. Schuck is in a different union. I'm glad they have unions representing their interests. Neither can rely on their employer to do that right now.

 

[Betty P]

BBM

I am not aware of that. The verbiage was changed in 2009, from simply needing a Sheriff's work card in the county to needing to register through the state. I'm simply giving the benefit of the doubt in case something is being wildly misunderstood (which I find unlikely, but will respect).

Why don't you ask one of our verified attorneys here at WS. AZlawyer might be able to help you out.

 

[Gooddeeds]

-I’m with you all the way. It is unacceptable for a company to rush to get their license in order when they under the spotlight gun. How can they provide protection when they are not protected with an expired license???

-What would happen if there was an incident at the house and ‘uh oh, we can’t help you because our license was lapsed’

 

[Footwarrior]

Expiring business license is no big deal. It happens. Some years it happens a lot if reminder notifications are changed by the state.

My state sends reminders via email. My email program puts them in the junk folder.

 

[Spice]

BBM

I am not aware of that. The verbiage was changed in 2009, from simply needing a Sheriff's work card in the county to needing to register through the state. I'm simply giving the benefit of the doubt in case something is being wildly misunderstood (which I find unlikely, but will respect).

BBM.

It is stated very clearly in the article. Did you read the entire thing? What "Verbiage" has changed? Again, the verbiage may have, and likely does pertain to State Regulations, which we know as of 2002 did not effect private casinos. Until we see that there has been a major change in law the required private casinos to be regulated under State Regulations for security guards than the verbiage and laws that are being referred to do not, and apparently never have, applied to private casinos.

 

[CARIIS]

Then they should have done it in advance of his travelling there and then getting stalked by trolls all night and his life further endangered by stalking psychos who are searching for a fall guy.
what did they do, leave it until the last minute?

I thought that too - a union would certainly not have let him do a press junket
in the middle of all this .

That basic legal

Probably someone else authorized it and then when another entity - maybe cooperate office or something yanked it

not sure tho but it is odd

there is a whole process with bookers and stuff to get guests and whatever happened made it far more glaring that someome somewhere does not want him talking .

He is a victim - anyone ever heard of a victim not being able to tell there experience ?

Its similar tho to the maintenance man , who flat out told the world he was directly involved and speaking to police that night , there had to be some reason why the sheriff chose to not say in the first presser that a maintenance man was at the scene also .

It was like what a week before they decided to let us know that there was a second eyewitness to the biggest mass shooting in the nations history?

On air he was an excellent witness -- maybe he was hidden for so long so the crisis team could help him prepare??

I was shocked , once they finally revealed that there was a second eyewitness on the floor that night , at him.

I had an image that he would be attired in a bit less !!

He looked awesome in his tie , super manicured and groomed , in physical shape , articulate , educated poised and stuff

Like an executive !!! Cute too !

As he was talking I was thinking he sure seems far more educated than someone who attends to maintenance.

ha if i knew maintenance men in 5 star hotels looked and dressed so well -- like Wall Street Executives -- I would have broken a light in a room in my younger days ha!

 

[Gooddeeds]

-Ironic that there was no Security staked out at SP home and there was a robbery. Just peculiar stuff...

-What time is the presser?

 

[Iona]

Questions about the other guard, according to this article, he is deceased...http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59e0f6da46c01/From cnn.com

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[kittythehare]

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/10/556845272/why-finding-a-motive-after-the-las-vegas-shooting-matters

Even in cases like this one, where the shooter killed himself after police arrived, Psychology Professor Mario Scalora says finding a motive is still important. He specializes in threat assessment at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln,
"The motive may often lead to who may have helped inspire the activity, who may have helped even plan it or things of that nature," Scalora said. "So there still may be a legitimate law enforcement investigative purpose, regardless of whether the shooter is going to face justice in a courtroom."
There's also often a psychological need to know, both for survivors — and the larger community.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

My state sends reminders via email. My email program puts them in the junk folder.

My state changed their notification process one year and a ton of animal rescues did not catch it and went into default. It's one of those things that is not a huge deal and can easily slip through the cracks. Here's what the Nevada SOS site says about it.

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[SeesSeas]

-The State of Nevada requires ALL SECURITY GUARDS be registered with and licensed by the state, under the jurisdiction of the Nevada Private Investigator’s Licensing Board. A number of websites are reporting that Jesus Campos is not registered as a security guard. You can search at: nevadapilb.glsuite.us.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/mystery-surrounds-mandalay-security-guard-jesus-campos/

That's not a legitimate news link.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/mystery-surrounds-mandalay-security-guard-jesus-campos/
^^ appears to be "a legitimate news link", per MediaBiasFactCheck:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-sentinel/

Factual Reporting: HIGH

[FONT=&amp]Notes: [...] we were unable to find an instance where the Independent Sentinel failed a fact check. We rate the Independent Sentinel right biased with mostly factual reporting. ([...] 3/14/2017)
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[Gooddeeds]

-What would happen if there was an incident at the house and ‘uh oh, we can’t help you because our license was lapsed’

-I wonder who is guiding Campos. If I were hiring a private firm to PROTECT MY LIFE, I would most certainly check their licensed status before signing on.

Don’t recall the report but does ‘Troy Goff’ sound familiar?

 

[Gooddeeds]

https://www.independentsentinel.com/mystery-surrounds-mandalay-security-guard-jesus-campos/
^^ appears to be "a legitimate news link", per MediaBiasFactCheck:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-sentinel/

Factual Reporting: HIGH

[FONT=&]Notes: [...] we were unable to find an instance where the Independent Sentinel failed a fact check. We rate the Independent Sentinel right biased with mostly factual reporting. ([...] 3/14/2017)
[/FONT]

-I had already noticed it in an ABC or Fox report before I discovered the Independentsentinel. This thread is so rapid...

 

[Spice]

https://www.independentsentinel.com/mystery-surrounds-mandalay-security-guard-jesus-campos/
^^ appears to be "a legitimate news link", per MediaBiasFactCheck:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-sentinel/

Factual Reporting: HIGH

[FONT=&]Notes: [...] we were unable to find an instance where the Independent Sentinel failed a fact check. We rate the Independent Sentinel right biased with mostly factual reporting. ([...] 3/14/2017)
[/FONT]

I read their profile there as well. Media Fact Check also included that independent sentinel had a far right bias and is known to cite Breitbart as a source. That would speak volumes , Breitbart is absolutely not a credible source as they are the prominent mouthpiece for the Alt Right.

Just wanted to provide all of the forum members with the complete information included regarding this source.

 

[Gooddeeds]

-I wonder who is guiding Campos. If I were hiring a private firm to PROTECT MY LIFE, I would most certainly check their licensed status before signing on.

Don’t recall the report but does ‘Troy Goff’ sound familiar?

-I understand a lapsed license is not an indication of foul play. It does happen to many. I just think in this case it has more of a WTH significance, as does much of much...so far...

 

[m00c0w]

I'd like some word about this alleged press conference that's supposed to be happening today. I haven't seen a peep anywhere.

 

[MistyWaters]

I would think a big entity like this is not gonna mess with a violation in this domain.

How hard is it to hire licensed sec guard for hotel

There would have to be some reason for them to hire him even if not licensed?

Its interesting-- he is the one that LE allowed to go away, out of town, for a bit for refresher,?

I don't ever remember anything like that happening before

He was the closest most needed witness to outline what transpired.

Can you imagine , an eye witness up close witness , to say one of those stabbings being allowed a short vacation , and leave the area of the stabbing before talking with LE!!

And now that I think about -- that might the reason they did not get the timeline right -- someone in control let him leave town instantly -- so maybe they did not even get the chance to talk to him until the timeline change .

just speculating

What's the source of your information stating JC wasn't interviewed by LE and then he left on a vacation?

My recollection through reading dozens of news reports was he was interviewed. When he was to be interviewed a second time it was mentioned he was "out of town". A sequence of interviews with key witnesses by various law enforcement departments or divisions is certainly not unusual. He was not under arrest and therefore free to go "out of town", obviously leaving his contact information with investigators so they knew where he is, as they knew he was "out of town". I'm not seeing any nefarious about that whatsoever therefore I'm interested in your alternate source of facts.