NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #9

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  • #601
It is numbing /

Lombardo has been an overt liar manipulative sneaky from the first presser.

these are personality traits -- they tend not to come and go!!

That kind of behavior has reasons/ There are "needs" to lie

IMO one has to never step away from understanding a LE officials need to lie about basic things from the get go.

IMO one must also never forget the inescapable presence of creepy FBI guy.

FBI guys that speak at pressers add something/ FBI guys who leer and appear to have no other reason for being involved is to make sure Lomabardo does not continue to mess up the narrative that powerful monied people insist must be told.

The interviewer is shocked about how computer key cards work??

Just rambling with what they are talking about!

So flight radar 24 ha been rigged? The risk of having done that ( for a leak) is huge. THe radar 24 are a separate entity.

Both the radar and ATC recordings result in many questions. The whole world cant be one giant conspiracy!

These two entities do have laws to follow. They cant be altering this stuff. You go to prison. Kinda serious stuff!!

Thats it -- its ending -- he said nothing. We all have come up with a far more engaging discussion of the political 81 page report!

The reality is the 400 and some pages of charging documents were nothing other than searching email accounts.

The one thing that came out of that was a detailed email outlining all the arms they have for sale!

For some reason that has not been the big story

How a dude with machine guns all over his life airplanes a pilots license traveling around like a Kirby vacuum salesman pitching machine gun merchandise and the conclusion is he is not doing something with arms is really kinda mind spinning.

All we really need to do is take the act alone premise - ask oneself how could a person with a left and right arm utilize 24 machine guns to accomplish alleged mission .

The notion becomes IMO more ludicrous in light of the fact that the bump stock increases firing capability.

This further reduces the notion that this one person really NEED 24 machine guns.

Makes zero sense IMO!!

it is not like this is a family system that shines in "healthy" department. Dad is a career criminal. THe kids lived out of cars on the side of the road.

None of these people have any normative histories. The one brother is non existent. The Bruce dude has a long a rich criminal history for decades Eric actually disturbed the entire planet in two short interviews - he clealy has some issues.

If collectively this was a boy scout family some things might seem out of place.

There is a criminal mindset that is developed. Dad was a star in this domain. It is common knowledge that dad flipped and became an informant for a govt entity for a decade,

That is not a CT -- it is a fact. It most certainly is not a stretch to ponder the very real possibility that Steven - like his father his brother went down a path of criminality, got nailed and had two choices in life.

Follow dads footsteps and flip or go to prison. Kinda simple!! Eric has zero employ history. The notion that this dude was a successful landlord defies credibility.

He freaked the world out with his peculiarities. The notion that tenants would not experience the creeps and chose to reside elsewhere is pretty likely.

What is the deal with the mystery brother? Anyone?

Think godfather and we have a ripe family system totally susceptible to a life of criminality.

Stephan is classic con man. He lost his desperate lawsuit. There are patterns of behavior here.

Suicidal killers do not spend hours trying to make sure they know when LE is upon them. They kill themselves. They have no fear of getting apprehended - they have there endplan.

Someone whose plan is to run around two rooms with trip hazards all over the floor while trying to murder people dont do it in flaps. Sneakers at least!

Someone hanging around in flaps sounds like someone chilling far more than dodging a smoke filled hot smelly space with machine guns to fall over all over the place. There is glass shards all over the place and his is in slippers? That is sit com stuff!

The falling mass shooter.

The notion that someone who took all those efforts not to get caught is for some useless reason to deadbolt a door within the unit and have to go out in the hallway for no reason also defies logic.

The bracket to hypothetically keep a swarming SWAT unit from coming in looks like something a 5 year old would install to keep someone from getting in a tree house!

Its tensile strength could be violated by a an 84 year old with a bumm hip!!


IMO there is nothing off the wall when looking at the entire situation .

Rant concluded!!!
 
  • #602
yet in the report they carry on in detail about all his trips with bags to his room!! what is it 26000 hours of video after 4 months of their are no cameras anywhere.

This is about so much more than lawsuits its a huge entity -- cost of doing business.

This is big political evil terror mobster corrupt sleazy --racketeering at its finest.

Maybe this is the very reason this horrific event occurred, Paddock was sick of the game and them taking his money, I always felt he chose this hotel for a reason, all but two are owned by MGM so he must have had a bone or two to pick with them. So tragic innocent people had to pay the price for his rage, he could have just sent a registered letter with cc's to all the newspapers

watch the movie Owning Mahoney Phillip Seymore Hoffman was excellent and it is a true story out of Jersey, Mahoney was a Canadian citizen the casino involved still has to close 1 day a year as punishment
 
  • #603
It is. Look at the hideous carpet. Its like they took all the worst furniture and art from the hotel and just stuck it in this room.


Would you mess up a nice room!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They had like 40 minutes to arrange stuff -- that is why it took so long --things had to be taken care of once everything went south!!!
 
  • #604
Maybe this is the very reason this horrific event occurred, Paddock was sick of the game and them taking his money, I always felt he chose this hotel for a reason, all but two are owned by MGM so he must have had a bone or two to pick with them. So tragic innocent people had to pay the price for his rage, he could have just sent a registered letter with cc's to all the newspapers

watch the movie Owning Mahoney Phillip Seymore Hoffman was excellent and it is a true story out of Jersey, Mahoney was a Canadian citizen the casino involved still has to close 1 day a year as punishment


I think there is a money laundering angle to all this mess -- that is the hotels involvement

human trafficking arms 🤬🤬🤬🤬 create lots of money
 
  • #605
I honestly cannot see a situation where the entire fBI would put their reputations on the line to protect any other interest, government or otherwise.
The entire report would have to be a lie.
That would be the highest scale of collusion possible among state and semi-state bodies.
And the payoff is way too miniscule for a collaboration on this scale.

It is possible. anything is possible in these days of convoluted reality and nothing should surprise us..

It's easy to talk about this when I don't consider the 58 dead bodies of people intending to return home after a great gig..
when I do I am overcome with an awesome feeling of outrageous raw grief..
I think we are all in a state of chaos again, as a result of this mass execution by somebody who decided he had the right and the wherewithal to JUST DO IT!

I don't know where to go with this discussion any more.. it's a vast field and will go on for years.

If we take our starting point as The Report.. and analyse it thoroughly with copy paste of the bits we are discussing, maybe we can reach a coherence?
A judge needs to decide, it's possibly in the next week, whether it will be permitted to withhold the affidavits on the strength of the alleged ongoing federal investigation
In 2 months, allegedly, fBI may be ready to indict or charge person 2 ..
That takes us into April
Mr Coroner may or may not decide to release Paddock's full autopsy report with photographs/or diagrams..
I cannot, for the life of me imagine what is causing the delay in this.. and I already read all the conspiracy sights claiming Paddock is alive nad they autopsied the wrong man and pointing to a disparity in his height from his driving license. I think I read this one originated from 4chan.. who prey on human misery like vicious vultures

re see a situation where the entire fBI would put their reputations on the line to protect any other interest, government or otherwise.

I think it is very big stuff. Soros is involved as usual it is all about money lots of govt entities participate in this :

Our country has a rich history in corruption.



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  • #606
I think there is a money laundering angle to all this mess -- that is the hotels involvement

human trafficking arms 🤬🤬🤬🤬 create lots of money

mobsters are the ones who started this entire Sin City you know none of this surprises me
 
  • #607
re see a situation where the entire fBI would put their reputations on the line to protect any other interest, government or otherwise.

I think it is very big stuff. Soros is involved as usual it is all about money lots of govt entities participate in this :

Our country has a rich history in corruption.



Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[SUP][3][/SUP] They hoped, thereby, to fund the Contras in Nicaraguawhile at the same time negotiating the release of several U.S. hostages. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

s a United States Department of Defense history of the United States' political-military involvement in Vietnam from 1945 to 1967. The papers were released by Daniel Ellsberg, who had worked on the study; they were first brought to the attention of the public on the front page of The New York Times in 1971.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] A 1996 article in The New York Times said that the Pentagon Papers had demonstrated, among other things, that the Johnson Administration"systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress".[SUP][3][/SUP]
Dude had only about a hundred rifles in all.. no need to take down several hundred people.
I hear you and you make good points but your country has a great tradition of truth justice love and wisdom too.. it might seem like a wee shadow right now but I see it shining brighter than ever before, as individuals gain wokeness... one by one. That's what I'm hopin' for but I know the odds are stacked almost to the extent that despair rather than hope will win out..
 
  • #608
I think there is a money laundering angle to all this mess -- that is the hotels involvement

human trafficking arms 🤬🤬🤬🤬 create lots of money
I do as well, but interview sl stated clearly that only a single person is being investigated in relation to the crime..that kinda eliminates the MB, does it not?
 
  • #609
I think he was dead from the chest shot and and whoever did the mouth stuff to make it look like that.

That would explain the old much drier blood that was under the fresh blood.

I also think this was fastest name reveal of an event like this also IIRC!!

If ya think about suicidal stuff folks that ready to die wont load up there car with stuff for future.

Maybe the guns and bombs were for delivery after check out

here is the flight 24radar that night

if in pt go to 1550

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwT3X7HRSrM
Thanks for this video CARIIS. Love your unique take on things even though you make my head spin. Not a bad thing...

Very interesting. What is the WS 'concensus' on the black ops? I'm curious in BOTH conspiracy and non-conspiracy perspectives. I haven't read all the posts in this thread let alone all previous threads, but I'm sure you guys have sleuthed this. TIA.
 
  • #610
Was John Fudenberg a close friend of Paddock? How could he identify the body?

FIT report IIRC page 52 ID`d by DNA, see footnote at bottom of the page.
 
  • #611
I think he was dead from the chest shot and and whoever did the mouth stuff to make it look like that.

There was no gunshot wound to the chest. The blood on his shirt most likely came from his mouth when, upon shooting himself, his head thrust forward...see Zapruder film.
 
  • #612
Maybe this is the very reason this horrific event occurred, Paddock was sick of the game and them taking his money, I always felt he chose this hotel for a reason, all but two are owned by MGM so he must have had a bone or two to pick with them. So tragic innocent people had to pay the price for his rage, he could have just sent a registered letter with cc's to all the newspapers

watch the movie Owning Mahoney Phillip Seymore Hoffman was excellent and it is a true story out of Jersey, Mahoney was a Canadian citizen the casino involved still has to close 1 day a year as punishment

He had been looking at several large music venues, according to searches on his computer...IIRC, not all were casinos. Save for this fact, good theory! It would have been the perfect way for him to bring down a casino, knowing the overwhelming lawsuits to follow.
 
  • #613
Haha this is my thoughts too. Remember questioning the cameras? No cameras in the hallways. Too expensive

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There are no cameras in the hallways for guest privacy. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas! Some casinos on the strip still have hallway cameras, but not all, obviously.
 
  • #614
There are no cameras in the hallways for guest privacy. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas! Some casinos on the strip still have hallway cameras, but not all, obviously.

Guest Privacy. Funny enough, hotel hallways in Vegas are the only place in the country where you can be absolutely sure there will be no surveillance.

Sounds like a pretty good place to run criminal operations out of.
 
  • #615
One thing of interest I found in the report is that there were not over 200 rounds fired through the door and down the hall way. There were only approximately 35. There were 200 strikes found. I assume the bullets were hitting objects and either shattering or sending debris that in turn hit walls and appeared initially to be individual bullet strikes. That was pretty sloppy for LE to initially say 200 rounds fired down the hall. It should have been readily apparent from examining the door that 200 shots weren't fired through it.

I think one thing we can say is that the investigation and communication by the LVSO has been pretty sloppy at times.
 
  • #616
I honestly cannot see a situation where the entire fBI would put their reputations on the line to protect any other interest, government or otherwise.
The entire report would have to be a lie.
That would be the highest scale of collusion possible among state and semi-state bodies.
And the payoff is way too miniscule for a collaboration on this scale.

It is possible. anything is possible in these days of convoluted reality and nothing should surprise us..

It's easy to talk about this when I don't consider the 58 dead bodies of people intending to return home after a great gig..
when I do I am overcome with an awesome feeling of outrageous raw grief..
I think we are all in a state of chaos again, as a result of this mass execution by somebody who decided he had the right and the wherewithal to JUST DO IT!

I don't know where to go with this discussion any more.. it's a vast field and will go on for years.

If we take our starting point as The Report.. and analyse it thoroughly with copy paste of the bits we are discussing, maybe we can reach a coherence?
A judge needs to decide, it's possibly in the next week, whether it will be permitted to withhold the affidavits on the strength of the alleged ongoing federal investigation
In 2 months, allegedly, fBI may be ready to indict or charge person 2 ..
That takes us into April
Mr Coroner may or may not decide to release Paddock's full autopsy report with photographs/or diagrams..
I cannot, for the life of me imagine what is causing the delay in this.. and I already read all the conspiracy sights claiming Paddock is alive nad they autopsied the wrong man and pointing to a disparity in his height from his driving license. I think I read this one originated from 4chan.. who prey on human misery like vicious vultures

To step back further from that FIT report go back to the 400+ page warrants and affidavits released on 12 January.

Where are the probable cause and warrants for SP`s financial institutions?

Where are the probable cause and warrants for each of the 3 cell phone carrier records?

Where are probable cause and warrants to analyze the 3 laptops?

Did the FBI (Las Vegas Safe Streets Task Force) legally secure access to these devices?

Why did they release portions of SP`s `purported` searches?

Who benefits from this knowledge?

The Target Amazon account probable cause and warrant references an EOTech 512.A65 ..there were 6 EOTech optic`s listed in the FIT report under evidence recovery. These are not illegal to own or purchase so what is the relevance?

I understand there are still 35 pages being withheld however after reading the backgrounds of each FBI agent requesting a warrant, where are the experienced, seasoned agents in such a high profile case?

I don`t anticipate gaining that `a-ha` moment, if these documents are released.

JMOO
 
  • #617
People on the ground reportedly smelled a strong odor of gunpowder so it must have been strong wherever the shooter was.

Does it even make sense that there was a strong smell of gunpowder, what was it , 1000ft away?


I don't know if it makes sense. I went and found hourly wind data from NOAA NCDC. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/ Being a scientist, I have to start with available data and build from there.

The wind was 7mph direction 230deg at 2056. (It's interesting how the wind shifts completely over the next couple of hours).

I drew an arrow on the map to show the direction. Hope that helps.

ETA: Forgot this link - helps with wind data grok.

https://www.windfinder.com/wind/windspeed.htm
WBAN23169_10012017hourly.jpgSWwind230d.PNG
 
  • #618
Random: I found this while reading up on McCarran airport and helicopters, etc.

It just came out this week, wait for it... airport traveler stats!

“McCarran is a nearly $30 billion economic engine and our passenger numbers serve as an indicator
of the economic health and well-being of Southern Nevada,” said Rosemary A. Vassiliadis, director of
the Clark County Department of Aviation. “Ifs always exciting to see record numbers, but I feel this
one is rather special for our entire community. We have been cautiously optimistic for many years as
our local and national economies have rebounded, and we have worked closely with our federal
partners to seamlessly accommodate that growth. This new record is a clear sign of recovery, and it
shows that the appeal of Las Vegas remains strong.”


I feel like 1) I should set off fireworks and then 2) go book my flight. :bang:

https://www.mccarran.com/fsweb/file...as McCarran International Airport in 2017.pdf
 
  • #619
I don't know if it makes sense. I went and found hourly wind data from NOAA NCDC. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/ Being a scientist, I have to start with available data and build from there.

The wind was 7mph direction 230deg at 2056. (It's interesting how the wind shifts completely over the next couple of hours).

I drew an arrow on the map to show the direction. Hope that helps.

ETA: Forgot this link - helps with wind data grok.

https://www.windfinder.com/wind/windspeed.htm
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So, being a scientist, what do you think? Is that wind strong enough to carry an odor thousands of feet? How do the building factor in?

Ever gone to a fireworks show and smelled the fireworks from 1000’s of feet away?
 
  • #620
So, being a scientist, what do you think? Is that wind strong enough to carry an odor thousands of feet? How do the building factor in?

Ever gone to a fireworks show and smelled the fireworks from 1000’s of feet away?


Do I have a deadline? Being a scientist, I have a day job. :)

I don't know where the people were located who reported smelling gunpowder? Perhaps you could tell me. Also, you said 1,000 feet before, now you are saying 1,000s of feet. Please clarify. Thanks, CoolJ.
 
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