NV NV - Antelope, WhtFem 20-35, UP9027, nude in cave, clothing/items nearby, dental restorations Sep'86

[nola]

I shared Carl's reconstruction with Rick Jones last night. This is Rick's reply:

THANK YOU!!!!! I just submitted to UNT (CODIS) for checks on the following missing persons now that we have DNA and they all have DNA. Hopefully we will get a hit. Some of them did come from your Websleuth's.

Cynthia Schmidt NamUs #12427
Veronica Brewer NamUs #8364
Julianne Jaillet (Jaillett) NamUs #11898
Amanda Fravel (from LV) NamUs #8239
Michelle Duncan NamUs #5540
Mary Andersen/Shondel NamUs #1479.
Joyce Walcott NamUs #3063
Kathryn Collins NamUs #8815
Ann Riffin NamUs #658
Lisa Addington NamUs #8282

The cave where she was found was a very remote and hard to get to location near Red Rock Canyon. It was quite a hike to get there. It appeared to be a hideout where she was kept or voluntarily stayed. Strange case. In talking with our forensic pathologists, the ulcerations to her stomach were not just recently, this is prolonged stress over at least a year. There were no signs she was there for more than a few weeks (alive). I don't know if I showed you a photo of the eyeglasses that were found in the area. Attached is a photo, doesn't show much and don't know if they are prescription or not. Her upper wisdom teeth had been removed and her sockets were healed, her lower wisdom teeth were impacted, she had some dental restorations (filing) and teeth were in a good condition with none missing or damaged. In looking at her photo, she may have a mole on her chin. When we exhumed her body for DNA, our Forensic Pathologist found no injuries to the skull or bones. She indicated the ulcers that were previously described in the stomach can be consistent with those termed Wischnewski ulcers. Which is normally due to hypothermia and/or physiologic stress. She was found on September 27, 1986 and the weather is normally about 80 degrees and a cave normally keeps the temperature about 60-70 degrees. Strange. Human Trafficking, a possible theory, just so far to stash someone, still could be. Good luck and as always let us know.

Be safe.

Rick


Wischnewski ulcers and Hypothermia:
Hypothermia is defined as a subnormal body temperature. In this article, hypothermia refers to the loss of core temperature from exposure. When death results from hypothermia, a series of gastric mucosal erosions known as "Wischnewski ulcers" (1) frequently occur. In examining case material of the Onondaga County Medical Examiner's Office, a characteristic pattern of these ulcerations was seen that was indicative of severe physiologic stress and/or hypothermia.
http://journals.lww.com/amjforensic...ski_Revisited__The_Diagnostic_Value_of.8.aspx

Looks like some of the earlier rule outs will also have DNA compared (just in case). The previous rule outs were done with dental comparisons.


Photo of eyeglasses found in cave:
Cave Girl Glasses 86-1804 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

 

[Ambercat]

Carl's reconstruction reminded me of Patricia Louise Kelley, who went missing from Cleveland, TN, except her weight is higher than the estimate (yet would probably be consistent with wearing size 9 jeans) and she has a Cesarian scar that would have probably showed up on the woman in the cave.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12568/34
NamUs describes the circumstances of her disappearance as --

Patricia Kelley was last seen on August 19, 1983, at a residence on Wildwood Avenue, Cleveland, Tennessee. She may have traveled to High Springs or Cross City, Florida but nothing surfaced to indicate foul play in her disappearance. She has two daughters that were left behind.

 

[nola]

Here's another photo of Patricia Kelly that shows her from a different angle.

ETA-
Is this karma or what? Just googled Patricia's name and this came up...
Missing from Bradley County, TN A cold case file of Patricia Louise Kelley's disappearance 22 years ago is being reopened by the Bradley County Sheriff' Office. Kelley was 25 years old when last seen on Wildwood Avenue in Cleveland. When she disappeared she was 5-6 and weighed app. 135 pounds. Anyone with information is asked to call Bradley County Sheriff's Dept. at 423-728-7300

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/features/missing-persons/stories/4-patricia-louise-kelley.shtml

Anyone (Ambercat, this is your suggestion, hint, hint) want to reach out to the Bradley County Sheriff's department to see if Patricia had a history of stomach ulcers or had any connection to the Vegas area?

 

[Tjcm93]

She was not. Julianne's daughter posted here at WS a few months ago in a thread dedicated to her. I don't remember what specifically it was, but some of the details she provided made me certain this could not be Julianne.

Here is her thread...WA WA - Julianne Jaillet, 36, Bellevue, 1 June 1985 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

That's right....the timeline. It sounds from the thread as if Julianne met with foul play at the time of her disappearance, not 1 year later when the UID was estimated to have died.

I am seeking closure and answers! I want to bring my mother home to rest!! We have reason to believe her body is in WA in the Falls City area. But yes her purse was found in Reno...We believe that her purse was planted in the hotel lobby in Reno at MGM Grand. I'm in seeking legal help. I need her case file and it may have information to help solve her case!!!! Please keep me posted on these remains. My mother was a beautiful talented woman and i know who killed her. I just need her body to prosecute him. PLEASE HELP ME!!!

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I am seeking closure and answers! I want to bring my mother home to rest!! We have reason to believe her body is in WA in the Falls City area. But yes her purse was found in Reno...We believe that her purse was planted in the hotel lobby in Reno at MGM Grand. I'm in seeking legal help. I need her case file and it may have information to help solve her case!!!! Please keep me posted on these remains. My mother was a beautiful talented woman and i know who killed her. I just need her body to prosecute him. PLEASE HELP ME!!!

See the above post where Rick Jones is quoted. He has submitted your mom for comparison via DNA to this unidentified individual. Unfortunately, I have no idea what kind of turnaround you should expect, but at least you will be able to know one way or the other if this is your mother. I'll be praying for some speedy answers.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Carl, your recon reminds me of Mona Lincoln, even though at 20, she's on the young side. But the timeframe fits, height/weight, etc. She had tatoos, but I'm not clear on the condition of the remains if they would have been for sure able to determine.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/2677dfca.html

 

[CarlK90245]

Her body was mummified. The skin was dried out, but mostly intact. They would have been able to see tattoos if she had any.

Another thing that you can't see in my recon is she has a very prominent nose. In the straight-forward view, you can't see how pointy it is, but it is very pointy and has a a very well-defined dorsal lump. It's almost like a John Lennon nose.

She also has a very angular chin and jawline, though it's not as bulky as is portrayed in the official side-view pencil sketch.

I've been trying to do a side-view, but this one is very difficult. In the side-view photo, her hair is draped over her face, so it's hard to see much of the facial contour

 

[21merc7]

You already have Veronica Brewer, here is a black and white of the color photo to compare with sketches:

http://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php?topic=182.0

Also,

Noticed this girl is correct height, but hair color is not correct for natural hair color. See what you think:

http://www.missingpeople.net/elaine.htm

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/278dfbc.html

 

[CherBearSTL]

Paget Renee Barr went missing from California on July 26, 1986. All of her stats line up, and she appears to have a bump on her nose. I don't see a mole on her chin though.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/barr_paget.html

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[21merc7]

Paget Renee Barr went missing from California on July 26, 1986. All of her stats line up, and she appears to have a bump on her nose. I don't see a mole on her chin though.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/barr_paget.html

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More photos here:

http://missingincalifornia.com/pagetbarr1986.html

and here:

http://www.myspace.com/76292447

from the myspace:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/roseshorty/sheissobeautiful.jpg

 

[Ambercat]

Here's another photo of Patricia Kelly that shows her from a different angle.

ETA-
Is this karma or what? Just googled Patricia's name and this came up...
Missing from Bradley County, TN A cold case file of Patricia Louise Kelley's disappearance 22 years ago is being reopened by the Bradley County Sheriff' Office. Kelley was 25 years old when last seen on Wildwood Avenue in Cleveland. When she disappeared she was 5-6 and weighed app. 135 pounds. Anyone with information is asked to call Bradley County Sheriff's Dept. at 423-728-7300

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/features/missing-persons/stories/4-patricia-louise-kelley.shtml

Anyone (Ambercat, this is your suggestion, hint, hint) want to reach out to the Bradley County Sheriff's department to see if Patricia had a history of stomach ulcers or had any connection to the Vegas area?

I received an e-mail this morning regarding Patricia Kelley and Cave Woman stating --

Follow-up found that DNA profiles for the two cases are in CODIS and this has not resulted in a match.

Unfortunately, this is the second e-mail I have received like this recently (the other one was for http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110667)

 

[nola]

I brought Elaine to Rick Jones' attention a few years ago. I will see what he found out about her. She (IMO) lived the type of lifestyle that could have put her in a situation of being held against her will or even perhaps having a reason to hide out.
Elaine Allenbach- height 5'6"; 125 lbs; last seen 3/1/86; 21 years old; known sex worker; disappeared enrouted to Seattle from British Columbia; AKA Lisa Morrison, Nancy Boyd; traveled extensively in the Northwest.

You already have Veronica Brewer, here is a black and white of the color photo to compare with sketches:

http://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php?topic=182.0

Also,

Noticed this girl is correct height, but hair color is not correct for natural hair color. See what you think:

http://www.missingpeople.net/elaine.htm

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/278dfbc.html

 

[tamar]

here's my profile reconstruction of Cave Lady...I am having a much harder time doing the frontal reconstruction, but I'll keep working on it.

 

[CarlK90245]

Her body was mummified. The skin was dried out, but mostly intact. They would have been able to see tattoos if she had any.

Another thing that you can't see in my recon is she has a very prominent nose. In the straight-forward view, you can't see how pointy it is, but it is very pointy and has a a very well-defined dorsal lump. It's almost like a John Lennon nose.

She also has a very angular chin and jawline, though it's not as bulky as is portrayed in the official side-view pencil sketch.

I've been trying to do a side-view, but this one is very difficult. In the side-view photo, her hair is draped over her face, so it's hard to see much of the facial contour

Here is my quarter-view, (and a repeat post of the forward view to show alongside).

 

[tamar]

excellent job Carl!

 

[rcoope23]

Althea Rogers seems to have a similar pointy nose and similar to the reconstruction. She hitchhiked so she led a high risk lifestyle. Not sure how she would have ended up in a cave in Nevada.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9085/344?current_page=physical_characteristics

 

[masnitram]

Updated list of rule-outs on Namus:

1. Lisa Addington 1962 Oklahoma
2. Veronica Brewer 1962 Texas
3. Kathryn Collins 1957 Texas
4. Michelle Duncan 1964 California
5. Amanda Fravel 1966 Nevada
6. Julianne Jaillet 1949 Washington
7. Katharina Kiszonak 1957 Nevada
8. Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
9. Joyce Walcott 1967 California

 

[Kimster]

While searching for this case, please pay attention to missing women with a history of illegal drug use. The Nevada and California deserts are known for illegal drugs, especially meth. When I looked at this case, I couldn't help but remember April Pitzer and would have added her to the mix had she not gone missing 18 years later.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pitzer_april.html

I was raised in the California desert and there are a lot of old desert rat stories about skeletons in caves.

 

[nola]

A little update from Clark County Coroner's investigator about the status of comparisons for this Cave Girl Jane Doe:

"In July 2012, we contacted UNT CODIS and they manually compared the decedent's profile against missing persons Veronica Brewer, Julianne Jaillet, Amanda Fravel, Kathryn Collins, and Lisa Addington. All were not a match. They were not able to compare missing persons Cynthia Schmidt, Michelle Duncan, Mary Anderson, Joyce Walcott, or Ann Riffin as those cases are being processed at other CODIS labs and are still in the works. We are waiting when they get processed to check them too."

 

[CarlK90245]

A little update from Clark County Coroner's investigator about the status of comparisons for this Cave Girl Jane Doe:

"In July 2012, we contacted UNT CODIS and they manually compared the decedent's profile against missing persons Veronica Brewer, Julianne Jaillet, Amanda Fravel, Kathryn Collins, and Lisa Addington. All were not a match. They were not able to compare missing persons Cynthia Schmidt, Michelle Duncan, Mary Anderson, Joyce Walcott, or Ann Riffin as those cases are being processed at other CODIS labs and are still in the works. We are waiting when they get processed to check them too."

If they are unable to compare Schmidt, Duncan, Anderson, Walcott, and Riffin, then why are Schmidt, Duncan, and Walcott on the rule-out list?