Identified! NV - Henderson, 'Arroyo Grande', WhtFem UP46, "S" tattoo, Oct'80*GRAPHIC* - Tammy Corrine Terrell

[Bit of hope]

I was also thinking of a carving fork. What does LE say about the attack? Using a hammer and something else....I keep wondering if there where two attackers. Domestic attack? That's why not reported missing? Then why posed, as she was? Hmmm nothing seems to add up. And than I read somewhere that she was hit very hard in her face also. Does anybody know if the gap between her teeth could be the result of that? I guess not, but maybe a pro knows.

could it be a drafting compass or scissors? I think scissors would be recognisable....and I wonder if a drafting compass has enough "power".

Need to tell something else. When my son was in highschool, some bully's engraved something in his arm with a drafting compass..... Lucky enough this was not permanent...
It reminded me when I read about the 'S' on JD's arm

 

[malaika]

Hi all,

So I have waffled for a while on whether to post this or not, but I just decided I am going to float this for everyone's input and thoughts...

Ok so I located a MP redhead girl, right age range, right body dimensions, with an S tattoo on her arm . The only thing is, according to her various MP pages, she reportedly went missing in 1981, from a children's home in Oklahoma.

ONLY because these cases are both so old, and recordkeeping was not always dependable back then, i thought there could be a chance that the home got the year wrong, and possibly she went missing in 1980.[ I KNOW it's a long shot... but TBH the 'S' tattoo is what keeps pushing me to put this out there...]

MP: Patricia Taylor [OK] https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/31371/0/

UID: AGJD [NV] https://identifyus.org/en/cases/46



YOUR THOUGHTS APPRECIATED!

 

[mrseeker]

Hi all,

So I have waffled for a while on whether to post this or not, but I just decided I am going to float this for everyone's input and thoughts...

Ok so I located a MP redhead girl, right age range, right body dimensions, with an S tattoo on her arm . The only thing is, according to her various MP pages, she reportedly went missing in 1981, from a children's home in Oklahoma.

ONLY because these cases are both so old, and recordkeeping was not always dependable back then, i thought there could be a chance that the home got the year wrong, and possibly she went missing in 1980.[ I KNOW it's a long shot... but TBH the 'S' tattoo is what keeps pushing me to put this out there...]

MP: Patricia Taylor [OK] https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/31371/0/

UID: AGJD [NV] https://identifyus.org/en/cases/46

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YOUR THOUGHTS APPRECIATED!

That is quite a find. The tattoo is interesting. I really don't knot if the face matches, but the tattoo and hair alone, not to mention Nevada connection seems worth a look. Have you suggested it? I think you should. It's possible they lied about when she was last seen. Wonder if they have a pic of her S tattoo.

 

[Tssiemer]

To me, the nose is wrong.


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[mrseeker]

I was also thinking of a carving fork. What does LE say about the attack? Using a hammer and something else....I keep wondering if there where two attackers. Domestic attack? That's why not reported missing? Then why posed, as she was? Hmmm nothing seems to add up. And than I read somewhere that she was hit very hard in her face also. Does anybody know if the gap between her teeth could be the result of that? I guess not, but maybe a pro knows.

could it be a drafting compass or scissors? I think scissors would be recognisable....and I wonder if a drafting compass has enough "power".

Need to tell something else. When my son was in highschool, some bully's engraved something in his arm with a drafting compass..... Lucky enough this was not permanent...
It reminded me when I read about the 'S' on JD's arm

I thought of two attackers too. I wonder if there is any info how far the prongs were apart? I saw there were 7 stab wounds. Does that mean 7 pairs or 7 punctures? Wonder why they think it is two pronged. Wikipedia says ice pick which is not two pronged.

I think a two pronged weapon would mean a weapon of opportunity, so a domestic seems more likely to me as well. The fact she was nude is strange. It suggest she was either killed while nude or a the killer thought it important to remove her clothes. Wonder if they documented blood splatter on the body. might indicate if she was nude when she was beaten or if she was killed and then the clothes were removed. I am not sure if the body was posed as the report said, or if it was just dumped. The face was down, and that to me means not posed. It was not covered either, which makes me think there is not a deep personal connection to the killer or to the person who dumped the body if they are not the same. I wonder if they can tell in which order the wounds were inflicted. Was the stabbing first or the blunt force, to the face first. Seems like a very personal attack on such a small girl, yet the body was not covered. That also could mean two people. The killing was lead by someone very angry, but the body was discarded by someone with little connection. Just my thoughts.

 

[Alleykins]

Here is Patricia Lynn Taylor's FB and WS pages:
Patricia Lynn Taylor was submitted a while ago. Not sure if she's been officially ruled out already yet as AGJD, but I think I read somewhere that her sister doesn't believe it's her.
The records her family received appear accurate and there are other residents from the group home she was living in after AGJD was found who remember her being there.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...5-Years-Old-Tulsa-County-1-January-1980/page3
https://www.facebook.com/patricialynntaylornov231965/

 

[mrseeker]

Here is Patricia Lynn Taylor's FB and WS pages:
Patricia Lynn Taylor was submitted a while ago. Not sure if she's been officially ruled out already yet as AGJD, but I think I read somewhere that her sister doesn't believe it's her.
The records her family received appear accurate and there are other residents the group home she was living in after AGJD was found who remember her being there.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...5-Years-Old-Tulsa-County-1-January-1980/page3
https://www.facebook.com/patricialynntaylornov231965/

The tattoo is strange though. perhaps AGJD was in the same group home at some point. might be a stretch.

 

[Alleykins]

The tattoo is strange though. perhaps AGJD was in the same group home at some point. might be a stretch.

I asked her sister if she knew what the "s" might mean, but she didn't know. That's in her thread somewhere I think.

 

[Bit of hope]

Interesting, the 's' tattoo. Just like you I question sometimes the data, especially in missing cases like this. But I guess her sister is sure about the time-line.

I'm not sure about MP's hair (it seems to me that UID had natural wavy hair, but I'm not sure) and MP has curly hair in most of the picture but in one picture straight, wich makes me think it is perm, the first picture of MP looks also like straight hair with perm at the bottom. Also UID has some kind of widdow peak, the hairline of MP seems different. MP has an overbite...I did not read this about UID. MP had some other scar, I don't think they would miss this examining UID, but it could have faded away (like some of mine did) I don't know how this works with a birthmark. UID's height is 62 inches, I suppose measured. MP's height is 64 - 68 inches, I suppose estimated.

 

[Bit of hope]

This could be a possibility. In the Netherlands there is a UID case of a male with a certain tattoo, wich was tracked to a childrens home for boys in Germany, and they did find another man, who was there also and had exact the same tattoo.

Could 's' mean shelter?

 

[Bit of hope]

long shot...maybe she was from an Amish or Mennonite community and her clothes would give that away...

 

[malaika]

Here is Patricia Lynn Taylor's FB and WS pages:
Patricia Lynn Taylor was submitted a while ago. Not sure if she's been officially ruled out already yet as AGJD, but I think I read somewhere that her sister doesn't believe it's her.
The records her family received appear accurate and there are other residents from the group home she was living in after AGJD was found who remember her being there.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...5-Years-Old-Tulsa-County-1-January-1980/page3
https://www.facebook.com/patricialynntaylornov231965/

Thank you for this info! Exactly why I posted the inquiry. I confess I just don't have the time, to go through all the pages of threads to check this stuff.

But after reading the sister April's comments on Patricia's thread that you so nicely provided, I agree this is likely a ruleout-- but you would have thought they would've updated AGJD's NAMUS profile to reflect that Patricia's DNA had been compared, though... :-/

 

[Alleykins]

Thank you for this info! Exactly why I posted the inquiry. I confess I just don't have the time, to go through all the pages of threads to check this stuff.
But after reading the sister April's comments on Patricia's thread that you so nicely provided, I agree this is likely a ruleout-- but you would have thought they would've updated AGJD's NAMUS profile to reflect that Patricia's DNA had been compared, though... :-/

I think I read on her FB page that her sister was trying to get all the rule outs for Patricia updated.

 

[Roselvr]

I'll hit Rainwater up in a few hours to see if she's heard anything.
Patricia's DNA is done processing

NamUs MP # 31371 Patricia Taylor

 

[rainwater]

No, I haven't heard anything. If her DNA just finished processing, it will take a few weeks at least to run it and compare it , right? My understanding is that although the computer compares automatically, someone (usually LE officer in charge of the case or the coroner's/medical examiner office) has to load both sets of DNA by using Boolean operators to call the DNA of the UID and the MP up out of the databases in order to compare. Or am I wrongly interpreting the way DNA is compared ? I think I remember reading a few years ago that LE has to schedule/make an appointment for when the DNA will be run, since the computer, at that time, was so backed up with requests for comparisons?

Then there is the whole issue of "apples to oranges" or "apples to apples" when comparing DNA. I am supposing that nowadays, both types of DNA are extracted, but that getting both types of DNA might not be feasible with older sets of DNA-does anyone know the answers to the above questions?

Patsy's sister is on social media, I follow her posts in her search for Patsy. Praying that she will find answers.

 

[Alleykins]

Patricia's DNA profile was completed in May. That's when it started running through CODIS, according to her FB page.
Would they really contact someone before her family if she were a match/rule out?

ETA: clarification

 

[rainwater]

I would not expect them to.

 

[rainwater]

A local TV station ran a news item on Arroyo on the 10 p.m. news last night. Earlier in the evening, the TV station was advertising on a local classic rock radio station and the radio ad specifically mentioned Arroyo Grande Jane Doe as one of their lead stories. It was followed up by a written story. The story mentions that detectives believe Jane's "S" tattoo was done very close to the time she died, a portion of a shower curtain was found near her body, and that

"He believes Jane was not homeless because of sophisticated dental work she had done called a suture.

“Some dentist or orthodontist out there in 1980 put that in her tooth,” Ebert points out. “
Jane Arroyo Grande description:

Auburn or brown shoulder-length hair;
5’2", 103 to 110 pounds;
Had wisdom teeth and dental fillings in some of her teeth;
Was found with earrings, and silver painted nails;
Had a tattoo on the inside of her upper right arm. Detectives believe this was done relatively close to the day she died.



http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/33708261/jane-arroyo-grande-does-identity-key-in-solving-her-killing

 

[Alleykins]

That's an awesome update, especially about the dentals and the tattoo. If the tattoo were done close to her death, then her family may not know/have known about it. Thanks for posting this info!

 

[Alleykins]

Found this article dated 10/17/2016 which contains what looks like all of her dental x-rays?
http://www.ada.org/en/publications/...seeking-dentists-assistance-identifying-woman

The white female, known to investigators as Jane Arroyo Grande Doe, is believed to have been between 15-19 years old, weighed 103 pounds, was 5 feet 2 inches and had brown hair and blue eyes. She had ligature wire in the area of tooth #27, believed to be the result of a jaw fracture.

BBM for emphasis