NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

[rd_jfc]

I am amazed at how much this web-oriented bunch of sleuths discounts non-electronic modes of communication. A map sent by conventional mail or a phone call from a pay phone is all it would take. Less than that if Steven had been to the area before.

Why would anyone use a payphone instead of their cellphone unless the battery was dead or they expected LE would be looking at their phone records and didn't want them to know about it?

We know the battery wasn't dead, a call was placed to voice mail later.

Also, I don't know how payphones work in this age of cell phones with all manner of area codes. Unless the call was to a local Vegas area land line number, not sure what kind of charges would be for the payphone call (do they still say please enter such and such amount?)

rd

 

[laytonian]

I need his date of birth. I found him on various sites (Facebook acct. closed)
but there are 3 others. I see there is a connection with a girl from Las Vegas
who is a member of "Hotties?"

Doesn't seem to be quite in line at all with a nice religious Mormon young man's values.

IF anyone has the date of birth, I'd appreciate knowing it.

I see the location being West Monroe La. age 25

I think the page you saw, is myspace, rather than Facebook. It's been there a long time; I originally saw it in January, when it showed a picture of the page owner (a pretty big guy). I didn't see a connection to this case.

 

[laytonian]

Why would anyone use a payphone instead of their cellphone unless the battery was dead or they expected LE would be looking at their phone records and didn't want them to know about it?

We know the battery wasn't dead, a call was placed to voice mail later.

Also, I don't know how payphones work in this age of cell phones with all manner of area codes. Unless the call was to a local Vegas area land line number, not sure what kind of charges would be for the payphone call (do they still say please enter such and such amount?)

rd

Why would someone use a pay phone?
Because it's untraceable.
You've never gone to a 7-11 or other C-store and seen a guys hanging around the phone? I think that's how many of them get their "directions".

I used a payphone about four years ago, when I locked my keys (and phone) in the car. There was a sign on the phone that told me how much to deposit. IIRC, it was 50-cents for three minutes.

 

[laytonian]

What about a free shuttle service to a casino? It is apparent in their monthly news mag they have that service. ( pg 11)

http://www.sca-hoa.org/picture/may_spirit_fnal.pdf

I read it as only being on "Senior 50 Plus Wednesdays".

 

[hollyblue]

JZ is the person who shared the rental house in St. George. We know very little about him. Yes, he's the person who supposedly finked out on his rent and left Steven holding the bag.

You can get quick answers to most questions like this from the timeline (pointer in Laytonian's signature line). It contains most of our researched and verified information, as well as background, related cases, scenarios, etc. Usually a lot quicker than waiting for somebody who knows the answer to read and reply.

There's also the search button features (2) Thread & Forum if they want the detail of discussion.

 

[Leomoon80]

I think the page you saw, is myspace, rather than Facebook. It's been there a long time; I originally saw it in January, when it showed a picture of the page owner (a pretty big guy). I didn't see a connection to this case.

YES, it was "my space" that I saw just about one hour ago, but can't seem (for some reason) to retrieve that page.

Perhaps a "glitch?" that I saw it to begin with. It was him, (his name) but using an avatar name as well. Then i was able to see the "friends" and it was a girl (half clothed) from Las Vegas, a Capricorn, .....she said, and part of some "Hotties" group.

If I can get it back, I'll try to post it.

I didn't at the time, know his middle name (as I do now), .....so wasn't even sure it was him., but it was now I realize, as the connection to Las Vegas and the address in La.

OK, I just checked again, by clicking his photos......Maybe it was a coincidence then, (the girl from Las Vegas).......

Sorry, don't want to divert or mislead.

But we need more info on this guy.

 

[carbuff]

Why would anyone use a payphone instead of their cellphone unless the battery was dead or they expected LE would be looking at their phone records and didn't want them to know about it?

We know the battery wasn't dead, a call was placed to voice mail later.

Also, I don't know how payphones work in this age of cell phones with all manner of area codes. Unless the call was to a local Vegas area land line number, not sure what kind of charges would be for the payphone call (do they still say please enter such and such amount?)

rd

His phone may have been close to dead. It could have been quite some time since he had been home long enough to recharge it.

He may have been trying to keep the calls away from his cell phone -- maybe not from LE but from his family.

Drug deals are often done via pay phone. As Laytonian says, guys hanging around the phones in convenience stores, playgrounds, etc.

The basic charges are usually posted. There's a voice that comes on to tell you what you owe after that. It's no problem as long as you have a pile of coins.

 

[laytonian]

laytonian....I'm not sure that this is the information Sin City is talking about...but I searched for the above information, and way back in January,
Naegle left the following in one of her posts. There is also discussion from
a variety of posters.

On 1-17-2010, Naegle's Post #419....-Does Jordan Zirkle (steven's roommate) have family in Vegas as he claims? He made lots of calls to Vegas to "family" .

Thanks!

Naegle asked if Z had family in Vegas, since he made a lot of calls to "family" there.

Then, in # 438 Naegle is asked if Z used SK's phone.
(that's a logical leap, since how would Naegle otherwise know about Z's calls to LV unless Z's phone records were checked).

It's funny what you "catch" when you go back and re-read.
1 - KCN told us that Steven told his parents about Z's drug use. (timeline Q&A pages)

2 - "Steven never said anything to my husband about Jordan and drugs either so I have no idea if or what Steven knew." HERE

3 - Yet Steven complained to his landlords about Z eating his food? (Sorry, I can't find the link about that...)

(I am jealous of those who can easily search WS; I get caught in the 30-second loop and have to count down, just to modify a search)

 

[laytonian]

YES, it was "my space" that I saw just about one hour ago, but can't seem (for some reason) to retrieve that page.

The link I posted isn't working? (It was the underlined word "myspace" in my post.)
Darn. I have trouble with that all the time.

 

[carbuff]

The link I posted isn't working? (It was the underlined word "myspace" in my post.)
Darn. I have trouble with that all the time.

It worked for me, though it didn't show much because I'm not a member.

 

[believe09]

Leomoon, it wasnt just JZ who "finked out" on the rent...Steven did as well. He was not paying his share of rent or utilities which prompted the landlord to call his parents.

 

[Leomoon80]

Leomoon, it wasnt just JZ who "finked out" on the rent...Steven did as well. He was not paying his share of rent or utilities which prompted the landlord to call his parents.

Thanks...for the reminder.

BTW: From someone such as myself, who does not own a Cell Phone.
Can "anyone" retrieve the Voice Mail messages or does one need to have a password to access them?

 

[laytonian]

BTW: From someone such as myself, who does not own a Cell Phone.
Can "anyone" retrieve the Voice Mail messages or does one need to have a password to access them?

It depends how your cell phone is set up.
Our family consists of two households, with six cellphones. None require a password to access voicemail unless you are accessing voicemail from a different phone.

Regarding Steven's phone, that's one of the questions we asked the family (and which we've logged on the Q&A pages). The answer was "don't know".

 

[Leomoon80]

It depends how your cell phone is set up.
Our family consists of two households, with six cellphones. None require a password to access voicemail unless you are accessing voicemail from a different phone.

Regarding Steven's phone, that's one of the questions we asked the family (and which we've logged on the Q&A pages). The answer was "don't know".

It sounds like one of two things could have occurred: :waitasec:

a) Steven did it himself, the day after he went missing from the neighborhood and car.

b) Someone else had his phone, checked the Voice Mails, and WHY?
the only reason I can think of is to take themselves off of it, OR if the message that particular person left was still on there, to then "delete" it.

 

[fasteddy4]

I saw the discussion about the cameras and it being noon time. We all have to remember something about the cameras and the time on them. We don't know it is EXACTLY the time it says it is on the cameras. Sure, Steven goes past those cameras when it is seconds past noon. But, we don't know those cameras are accurate. They could be set a couple of minutes fast. . .or slow. In addition, I don't know if Steven wore a watch or not (I'm sure it's in laytonian's timeline somewhere) but I am sure his watch, the clock in the car, and the clock on his cellphone were not all synched up. So, there is some leeway in what time it was according to him as well. I always go by my cell phone but I don't wear a watch and don't pay attention to my car clock. Who knows what clock Steven used most often in his life.

So, it very well could be that although the cameras say it is just seconds after noon, it could be 11:59:30 or 11:58:50 or any other time that is close to noon. I doubt the cameras are set exactly to the World Clock.

So, this idea that he waited for five minutes in his car and then got out, and according to the clocks on the cameras he was going to be a minute late no matter where he was walking is not necessarily true. All we can say is that he may have been a little late, or right on time, or a few seconds early to wherever he was going. But, as you all know, I believe he was headed to some pre-arranged visit no matter if the clocks are seconds off or a few minutes.

 

[laytonian]

It sounds like one of two things could have occurred: :waitasec:

a) Steven did it himself, the day after he went missing from the neighborhood and car.

b) Someone else had his phone, checked the Voice Mails, and WHY?
the only reason I can think of is to take themselves off of it, OR if the message that particular person left was still on there, to then "delete" it.

c) Someone could have found the phone, and wanted to see if the owner had called and left a message about how it could be returned. (I've done that.)

The voicemails were still in the system; the family, LE and investigators have heard them all, and investigated.

There's also a record of all incoming and outgoing calls, that were checked.

Just because you delete it from the phone, doesn't mean it goes away.

 

[RubyRed]

It sounds like one of two things could have occurred: :waitasec:

a) Steven did it himself, the day after he went missing from the neighborhood and car.

b) Someone else had his phone, checked the Voice Mails, and WHY?
the only reason I can think of is to take themselves off of it, OR if the message that particular person left was still on there, to then "delete" it.

I am very sure that could have been traced.

 

[laytonian]

I saw the discussion about the cameras and it being noon time. We all have to remember something about the cameras and the time on them. We don't know it is EXACTLY the time it says it is on the cameras. Sure, Steven goes past those cameras when it is seconds past noon. But, we don't know those cameras are accurate. They could be set a couple of minutes fast. . .or slow. In addition, I don't know if Steven wore a watch or not (I'm sure it's in laytonian's timeline somewhere) but I am sure his watch, the clock in the car, and the clock on his cellphone were not all synched up. So, there is some leeway in what time it was according to him as well. I always go by my cell phone but I don't wear a watch and don't pay attention to my car clock. Who knows what clock Steven used most often in his life.

So, it very well could be that although the cameras say it is just seconds after noon, it could be 11:59:30 or 11:58:50 or any other time that is close to noon. I doubt the cameras are set exactly to the World Clock.

So, this idea that he waited for five minutes in his car and then got out, and according to the clocks on the cameras he was going to be a minute late no matter where he was walking is not necessarily true. All we can say is that he may have been a little late, or right on time, or a few seconds early to wherever he was going. But, as you all know, I believe he was headed to some pre-arranged visit no matter if the clocks are seconds off or a few minutes.

I don't know if he wore a watch; no one's ever mentioned it. Clocks in vehicles are notoriously wrong.
Phones are auto-synched, as are computers. If the security system was linked to a computer, the time should be pretty accurate. (IMO, someone as careful as Mr Security to have at least 7 security cameras, has the time synched pretty accurately.)

What makes sense to me, is that Steven sat in his car and checked his voicemails or even made a call, before he got out and started walking.

We really don't know. Really.

 

[fasteddy4]

Seeing that Laura Garza's body was finally found and identified recently after her disappearance in 2008 reminds me how much more clear cut this case would be if Steven was a woman. Him being a man greatly opens up the possibilities. Whereas, with women, most of them are killed by someone they knew. In Laura's case, it looks like it is going to be a sex offender she met at a club. . .Talk about bad luck.

 

[laytonian]

Seeing that Laura Garza's body was finally found and identified recently after her disappearance in 2008 reminds me how much more clear cut this case would be if Steven was a woman. Him being a man greatly opens up the possibilities. Whereas, with women, most of them are killed by someone they knew.

You think so? If you take away the suicides, the cases I've been following recently show that men are also killed by people they knew -- although it's usually an (ahem) "business relationship" more than killed by a lover.

In Laura's case, it looks like it is going to be a sex offender she met at a club. . .Talk about bad luck.

Really. I didn't know about her case, but had seen the reports of the body found in Pennsylvania.

I just had a heart-stopper a minute ago: a man's body has just been found in the Zion Narrows area of Zion NP. But what I didn't know, is that two men have been missing since yesterday, in that very area.

So that leaves motel man. And if motel man is an illegal or a suicide, we'll likely never find out anything more.