NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #12

[Fairy1]

Good points.

Absolutely the family can decide to search for DNA with or without the police. I can't agree with you on that point.

I am with Fairy1...I should have remained silent on this. It's just after all this time...to suggest the family had one basic fact wrong just didn't seem logical to me. I retreat.

Don't retreat - and bring up anything and everything!

There is doubt that it's Steven on the video - though not by me. We actually are at square one. Every possibility is fair game - IMO.

 

[Fairy1]

I am about fed up.

It is hard to keep going. Family input is non-existent, friends are not weighing in and the PI isn't producing any leads - publicly anyway. Frustrating, to say the least.

But Steven is still missing.

 

[Sin City]

Does someone know something? Could SK's disappearance be something similar to Christopher McCandless (Into the Wild)? i.e. fleeing from his current life And, did SK tell someone of his plans to disappear, as Christopher did in telling his sister. His sister finally opened up, but it was about 2 yrs after Christopher disappeared.

My thoughts are on if SK told someone of his plan to disappear?

 

[Fairy1]

Does someone know something? Could SK's disappearance be something similar to Christopher McCandless (Into the Wild)? i.e. fleeing from his current life And, did SK tell someone of his plans to disappear, as Christopher did in telling his sister. His sister finally opened up, but it was about 2 yrs after Christopher disappeared.

My thoughts are on if SK told someone of his plan to disappear?

I'm not sure Steven told anyone anything. But I am beginning to think someone knows something - hence the silence.

 

[Sin City]

My next thoughts are quite "out there." CIA recruitment? Is it possible that SK spoke with someone at a CIA career fair at the Univ of Ut? Or during his internship with Utah Governor's office? I know, I know! Yet, does Steven have the qualities that the CIA searches for? He's college educated, bilingual, spent time in Brazil, and doesn't have a criminal history. If this is possible it may have taken the gov't years to perform a security clearance.

I don't really think this is the case, but everything seems in until it's actually out. And, what better way to stage his disappearance than to have him last seen on a security camera in a quiet neighborhood. I have no doubt that our gov't is capable of anything & everything. But, is the CIA something that Steven would have interests in? It can be very attractive to someone who is searching for a solid career, or a way out of a life that may appear to be going nowhere.

I don't know about this, but I just wanted to get these thoughts out there.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

My next thoughts are quite "out there." CIA recruitment? Is it possible that SK spoke with someone at a CIA career fair at the Univ of Ut? Or during his internship with Utah Governor's office? I know, I know! Yet, does Steven have the qualities that the CIA searches for? He's college educated, bilingual, spent time in Brazil, and doesn't have a criminal history. If this is possible it may have taken the gov't years to perform a security clearance.

I don't really think this is the case, but everything seems in until it's actually out. And, what better way to stage his disappearance than to have him last seen on a security camera in a quiet neighborhood. I have no doubt that our gov't is capable of anything & everything. But, is the CIA something that Steven would have interests in? It can be very attractive to someone who is searching for a solid career, or a way out of a life that may appear to be going nowhere.

I don't know about this, but I just wanted to get these thoughts out there.

Someone mentioned this, maybe it was you, back in January. It's almost believable. He would be a great candidate! Especially with being bi-lingual, having no wife or kids and being mostly debt free. Wish I knew better how that worked....

 

[Fairy1]

My next thoughts are quite "out there." CIA recruitment? Is it possible that SK spoke with someone at a CIA career fair at the Univ of Ut? Or during his internship with Utah Governor's office? I know, I know! Yet, does Steven have the qualities that the CIA searches for? He's college educated, bilingual, spent time in Brazil, and doesn't have a criminal history. If this is possible it may have taken the gov't years to perform a security clearance.

I don't really think this is the case, but everything seems in until it's actually out. And, what better way to stage his disappearance than to have him last seen on a security camera in a quiet neighborhood. I have no doubt that our gov't is capable of anything & everything. But, is the CIA something that Steven would have interests in? It can be very attractive to someone who is searching for a solid career, or a way out of a life that may appear to be going nowhere.

I don't know about this, but I just wanted to get these thoughts out there.

Who knows? I have no idea how the CIA recruits people, but it's as good a theory as any! Might explain all that crazy driving around before he went missing. And you're right, they may have chosen that SCA neighborhood specifically because of the cameras.

You know what they say - life is stranger than fiction! People don't just fall off the face of the earth.

 

[swjaxon]

If I may...

I know a guy in the CIA. He was recruited through normal methods. I don't think they would go to such great lengths.

I'm also quite sure it's Steve on the tape. Several phone calls pinged off towers in the Las Vegas/Henderson area. I'm certain it's him.

 

[Paulette]

I can just see him on a CIA mission in Brazil, when a couple come up to him "Hey, I saw your picture on a milk carton! Aren't you Steven, the man who disappeared without a trace."

 

[laytonian]

If it wasn't Steven there would have been other DNA in the car. I would think the family would have "processed" the car more thoroughly if they had any doubt that was SK. AND having the original footage and possibly other angles would have probably confirmed their final conclusion which appears to be that it's SK bc that is the last place he's still listed as being seen by them and most missing person websites.

If the family had any doubts wouldn't it serve them to announce them publicly??

"The family" doesn't have doubts; a very small minority of a very large family expressed some thoughts that maybe it wasn't him on the video.

That's all there is to this, and I'd mentioned it before. (I'm not sure why it's suddenly so controversial, unless we're all just at wits' end.)

"The family" (Steven's parents and the majority of his relatives/friends) believe it's him. The PI (who works for the family) believes it's him. There are outsiders who believe it's him.

I don't know *any* family where everyone would agree (in lockstep) that a certain thing was true. Does anyone?

 

[laytonian]

If I may...

I know a guy in the CIA. He was recruited through normal methods. I don't think they would go to such great lengths.

You're right. CIA agents may have covert jobs, but they don't disappear to their families.

I'm also quite sure it's Steve on the tape. Several phone calls pinged off towers in the Las Vegas/Henderson area. I'm certain it's him.

I know. I'm just trying to bang through the dead-end we keep running into.

 

[Fairy1]

If I may...

I know a guy in the CIA. He was recruited through normal methods. I don't think they would go to such great lengths.

I'm also quite sure it's Steve on the tape. Several phone calls pinged off towers in the Las Vegas/Henderson area. I'm certain it's him.

I'm not sure to what great lengths you're referring or what "normal" methods are employed in CIA recruitment, but I agree it's Steven on the video.

It has been argued by some that whoever harmed Steven had possession of his phone, even going so far as to check his voice mail. For the life of me, I can't get that to make sense at all.

 

[Fairy1]

"The family" doesn't have doubts; a very small minority of a very large family expressed some thoughts that maybe it wasn't him on the video.

That's all there is to this, and I'd mentioned it before. (I'm not sure why it's suddenly so controversial, unless we're all just at wits' end.)

Wits' end - yes Ma'am! Speaking for myself anyway.

"The family" (Steven's parents and the majority of his relatives/friends) believe it's him. The PI (who works for the family) believes it's him. There are outsiders who believe it's him.

I know there are some who don't believe it's Steven. Everyone is entitled to their own opionion.

I don't know *any* family where everyone would agree (in lockstep) that a certain thing was true. Does anyone?

Me neither. Just ask my brothers!

 

[Sin City]

Debt bondage, human trafficking, organ trafficking, opportunity killing.....I'm at wits' end also!

 

[rd_jfc]

Good points.

Absolutely the family can decide to search for DNA with or without the police. I can't agree with you on that point.

I am with Fairy1...I should have remained silent on this. It's just after all this time...to suggest the family had one basic fact wrong just didn't seem logical to me. I retreat.

oh please don't. I agree that someone parking car of a disappeared person and walking away on video is something we would hope to be able to determine more, such as clear enough it was Steven that some family wouldn't be unsure.

rd

P.S. just saw swjaxon and laytonian posts, so disregard about unsure.

 

[rd_jfc]

It will take the family to step up on this, but father thinks that SK was carrying a portfolio under his arm, possibly with a resume to talk to someone. They know SK had some black portfolio's of which this could have been one of those.

What the family has to do, because they're the only ones with access to his stuff including his computer, is to take a look at SK's latest resume. How would he print one out? Did he have another copy in his room? Did he have a recently accessed file on his computer with resume information?

What was his resume focused on? What type of jobs could he have been carrying a resume to that Sunday? Did he have arecenly altered resume and what were the alterations?

Really, you've got to dig into his papers and computer files at this point and figure out what his focus was. Or let someone else do it, but it's got to be done.

rd

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

It will take the family to step up on this, but father thinks that SK was carrying a portfolio under his arm, possibly with a resume to talk to someone. They know SK had some black portfolio's of which this could have been one of those.

What the family has to do, because they're the only ones with access to his stuff including his computer, is to take a look at SK's latest resume. How would he print one out? Did he have another copy in his room? Did he have a recently accessed file on his computer with resume information?

What was his resume focused on? What type of jobs could he have been carrying a resume to that Sunday? Did he have arecenly altered resume and what were the alterations?

Really, you've got to dig into his papers and computer files at this point and figure out what his focus was. Or let someone else do it, but it's got to be done.

rd

His dad said there were copies in his apartment.

 

[believe09]

This was expressed to me privately. I have no reason to make something like that up.

Not implying that you did-you said that you had expressed this before on the threads, and clearly I missed it so was looking for a link to the post that I missed.

 

[believe09]

If I may...

I know a guy in the CIA. He was recruited through normal methods. I don't think they would go to such great lengths.

I'm also quite sure it's Steve on the tape. Several phone calls pinged off towers in the Las Vegas/Henderson area. I'm certain it's him.

Thanks for checking in, SWJaxon!

Any more articles, vigils, searches, rewards, release of info in the works???? Throw us a bone here...

 

[carbuff]

Apologies for distracting everyone with my crazy scenario. It just seemed like that bit of info about spoofing phone information opened the possibility that some of the critical information was false.

Obviously not the case and I withdraw the suggestion.

*crawls back into the woodwork*