NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #12

[believe09]

Apologies for distracting everyone with my crazy scenario. It just seemed like that bit of info about spoofing phone information opened the possibility that some of the critical information was false.

Obviously not the case and I withdraw the suggestion.

*crawls back into the woodwork*

Stop it, lol...we are starting to "eat our young" because we are all frustrated...No worries....

 

[ThePhantom]

Seriously. Because we are never given the full info. There often seems to be missing that one salient piece that might give us the insight we're struggling to see. What, I wonder, have we not been told about Stephen?

 

[Lato]

10:30 pm Saturday 12/12/09 - 11:54 am Sunday 12/13/09

What did Steven do during that time?
Did he sleep in St. George? On the road? Vegas?
What time did his phone start pinging in the Las Vegas area?
Did his phone ping in Henderson before his arrival on the videos we are seeing?
Did he do a drive by of the SCA address to get oriented? Did he need to?

After all these months, why can we not look at better, clearer images of the videos - without editing?
And surely someone can speak to the phone pings?
When did that phone leave St. George - and arrive in Las Vegas?

If we believe that Steven was walking in SCA on Sunday noon, then his
phone pings are the best evidence to be had....to say where he was before
and after that sighting.

JMHO

 

[Paulette]

I'm not sure to what great lengths you're referring or what "normal" methods are employed in CIA recruitment, but I agree it's Steven on the video.

It has been argued by some that whoever harmed Steven had possession of his phone, even going so far as to check his voice mail. For the life of me, I can't get that to make sense at all.

I think it would be to erase the message or call that they sent to Steven. If the perp did call Steven to lure hin SCA, he's just erased any trail that may lead to him.

 

[hollyblue]

What I'm saying is that the "let's keep this amongst ourselves" approach that the PI and family is taking isn't working.

So we have a man who looks like Steven to his family and friends.....park a car and walk in front of security cameras....after talking to church members twice that morning and telling them that he was in Las Vegas...and the cell phone that is known to be Stevens is used to answer those calls.

We don't know why he was there....it's a big empty hole....nothing on paper or in his computer...that we know of, but I think by now that there is much more that is known. I think his family and PI/LE know why
he was there. That is why they have all gone silent. That is why there is nothing of substance on the
facebook page. That is why there are no more news articles. We are in a holding pattern until something
breaks.

I am still a "he is Steven" advocate. Anything else is so darn complex.

And, just to add, I think that the walk by the security camera was deliberately arranged, or it was just good luck for SK that he overshot his address and parked in the cul de sac at all....

Not that I think the person was someone impersonating SK, but they wouldn't have known they were walking in front of a security camera.

But just to add fat to the fire, if there was someone who went to the trouble of impersonating someone, and they did know of a place they could park in front of a security camera, then yes, that's the whole point of impersonating someone.

rd

If it wasn't Steven there would have been other DNA in the car. I would think the family would have "processed" the car more thoroughly if they had any doubt that was SK. AND having the original footage and possibly other angles would have probably confirmed their final conclusion which appears to be that it's SK bc that is the last place he's still listed as being seen by them and most missing person websites.

If the family had any doubts wouldn't it serve them to announce them publicly??

It is hard to keep going. Family input is non-existent, friends are not weighing in and the PI isn't producing any leads - publicly anyway. Frustrating, to say the least.

But Steven is still missing.

I'm not sure Steven told anyone anything. But I am beginning to think someone knows something - hence the silence.

Seriously. Because we are never given the full info. There often seems to be missing that one salient piece that might give us the insight we're struggling to see. What, I wonder, have we not been told about Stephen?

I think it would be to erase the message or call that they sent to Steven. If the perp did call Steven to lure hin SCA, he's just erased any trail that may lead to him.

Sorry for the long post, but wanted to maybe make a point. And I think the frustration level is justified.

Here's a new scenario--partly--but did anyone ever think it may have been planned....by family....or church? Playing the video from both angles. Didn't expect it to be there or did. ("He's walking with purpose.") But with such purpose he evades what is going on around him--not noticing the SUV, etc. And, of course, the big ?would be why?

I've got my armor on when all the $hi$ hits the fan here.

 

[Lato]

hollyblue....do you have any thoughts as to why the family or church would
help SK disappear?

 

[hollyblue]

hollyblue....do you have any thoughts as to why the family or church would
help SK disappear?

In trouble of some sort? Didn't gsmith say there was some "group" after him? There are others, but I'm curious to see how this suggestion goes. If we can truly have a mind set for this idea. I think some pondering on it may be necessary. Many will not want to even go there. My thinking is there is not a better job to have contacts in than media. Nada, dip, none.

 

[RubyRed]

Thanks for checking in, SWJaxon!

Any more articles, vigils, searches, rewards, release of info in the works???? Throw us a bone here...

I second that any new info?

 

[carbuff]

re: working for the CIA

I had a friend whose father worked for the CIA. He wore a suit to work 9 to 5, with occasional breaks to go out recruiting on campus. He was looking for people with language or accounting skills, mostly, and SK's background might have made him a good candidate, but there's not a lot of secret to it. You fill out an application and go through an interview process, and I think have to take the civil service exams. (eta: as swjaxon mentioned, also fitness tests.) It's very unglamorous.

There are other agencies that use undercover individuals, but those aren't private citizens pretending to be cops, they're highly trained LE professionals pretending to be citizens or criminals. And if he was involved in something like that, the family would be told. Maybe not where he went or what he's doing, but they'd have a way to contact him -- something like a private phone number or an address at headquarters.

 

[carbuff]

In trouble of some sort? Didn't gsmith say there was some "group" after him? There are others, but I'm curious to see how this suggestion goes. If we can truly have a mind set for this idea. I think some pondering on it may be necessary. Many will not want to even go there. My thinking is there is not a better job to have contacts in than media. Nada, dip, none.

I would be thinking more of a group like drug dealers or a local street gang or something.

 

[Lato]

In trouble of some sort? Didn't gsmith say there was some "group" after him? There are others, but I'm curious to see how this suggestion goes. If we can truly have a mind set for this idea. I think some pondering on it may be necessary. Many will not want to even go there. My thinking is there is not a better job to have contacts in than media. Nada, dip, none.

Our timeline says that Steven and JRZ occupied the rental property for more or less 7 months. I guess I did not know that for certain....so, even if not friends, they certainly had some degree of contact over that period.
Wonder if each of them had friends that came to visit. Could JRZ's friends be "the group".

And then how will any of our questions ever be answered. Do you feel like you are sending these
questions out to thin air?

Timeline.......
April, 2009 - St. George, Utah
Steven and JRZ (not friends) separately rent a bedroom in and share living space in THIS HOME.

http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html

 

[ThePhantom]

Whoa, these are good questions and thoughts. Does the Mormon church pursue it's "missing sheep?" Pleading ignorance here with regard to Mormonism, just asking a question and looking for angles...

 

[hollyblue]

Our timeline says that Steven and JRZ occupied the rental property for more or less 7 months. I guess I did not know that for certain....so, even if not friends, they certainly had some degree of contact over that period.
Wonder if each of them had friends that came to visit. Could JRZ's friends be "the group".

And then how will any of our questions ever be answered. Do you feel like you are sending these
questions out to thin air?

Timeline.......
April, 2009 - St. George, Utah
Steven and JRZ (not friends) separately rent a bedroom in and share living space in THIS HOME.

http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html

I think most of questions we have all had have hit thin air. If answered, it's been vague or skewed. Everything has been unfruitful in "logical" to what we HAVE been given. Maybe it was convenient for him to walk by a video camera owned by an X US Marshall agent. ????
Someone is twisting info for a reason...don't ya think?
If there was further info on fingerprints, pings, computer searches, bank records or any other findings, no one in LE or family is letting go of it to the media. No media investigative reporting....per se. Once the reward was offered..that was it. Any questions we had for Naegle with any "grit" or detail ---- went unanswered.

Someone just walking away, foul play, or suicide would have traces left behind. We have nothing---given nothing. Like I said before, when Steven shows up it may explain otherwise, but until then I'll hold fast he is alive and well somewhere. I think if we didn't have family aboard ...this case would have gone cold very quickly. Once she was told the details...she became quite too. JMO When nothing makes sense....there's reason for it....it's not suppose to.

 

[hollyblue]

Whoa, these are good questions and thoughts. Does the Mormon church pursue it's "missing sheep?" Pleading ignorance here with regard to Mormonism, just asking a question and looking for angles...

Has it?

 

[hollyblue]

I can just see him on a CIA mission in Brazil, when a couple come up to him "Hey, I saw your picture on a milk carton! Aren't you Steven, the man who disappeared without a trace."

Did you know a missionary from Portugal came back--(on his ward's website-Dec) a week before his disappearance? I'm pretty sure it was before, but that was many moons ago that I found it...so it may have been the week after. The guys first name was Vic.

I thought it worth thinking about anyway.

 

[swjaxon]

I'm not sure to what great lengths you're referring or what "normal" methods are employed in CIA recruitment, but I agree it's Steven on the video.

It has been argued by some that whoever harmed Steven had possession of his phone, even going so far as to check his voice mail. For the life of me, I can't get that to make sense at all.

The hiring methods were normal for federal law enforcement: an application process weeding people out. Those that made it past had to pass physical fitness. From there, they did normal interviews and then slammed those who passed with extensive background investigations/polygraphs. There's more to it, but that's the basics.

I also think it was Steve who checked his VM.

 

[RubyRed]

The hiring methods were normal for federal law enforcement: an application process weeding people out. Those that made it past had to pass physical fitness. From there, they did normal interviews and then slammed those who passed with extensive background investigations/polygraphs. There's more to it, but that's the basics.

I also think it was Steve who checked his VM.

You mentioned before about plans to do another story on Steven. Are you still planning too?

 

[swjaxon]

You mentioned before about plans to do another story on Steven. Are you still planning too?

I was, but am not anymore unless something comes up. This is the bane of my trade -- if there's not something new, we seem to forget about the story.

More than that though, I believe that I now have a conflict of interest in this case because I am now looking to find Steve, rather than being an independent observer. For example, I didn't write about the search, because I was busy participating in it.

So that's where I'm at...

 

[Paulette]

The hiring methods were normal for federal law enforcement: an application process weeding people out. Those that made it past had to pass physical fitness. From there, they did normal interviews and then slammed those who passed with extensive background investigations/polygraphs. There's more to it, but that's the basics.

I also think it was Steve who checked his VM.

Why do you think that?

 

[ThePhantom]

I was just doing some research on Stephen and he looks like such a nice young man. It makes me very sad we can't figure out what happened to him. In one picture in particular, he looked so lost -- sad -- kinda hopeless. Perhaps it was just that picture -- will have to go and look at others. They say a picture can speak a thousand words. I truly hope he had someone he could genuinely talk to.