NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 3

[hollyblue]

I'm not ella's mom, but...no. No, I wouldn't. He looks to me like he knows exactly where he's going. Like he's either been there before or can see his destination.

I totally agree.

 

[capoly]

I still think there are two main reasons he would have parked in the cul-de-sac away from his destination if he were visiting a specific house:

There was no parking available in the driveway or in front of the house he was visiting because there were already a lot of cars there. Some neighbors are very serious about not letting people park in front of their house, especially if it happens all the time. If whatever house Steven was visiting consistently had overflow parking so their guests had to park in front of neighbors yards then the neighbors could have gotten sick of it and said no more. Steven's car was parked at the closest area to Evening Lights which is not in front of a house. So he would have had to have been told to park there or he could have visited before and known the routine.

Whoever he was visiting didn't want somebody to see a strange car parked in the driveway or in front of the house. That could be a jealous spouse or significant other issue.

BBM

An issue that is not always respected/resolved without a call to the police/parking official. Perhaps a complaint is on file somewhere?

 

[hollyblue]

Not street level but gives a clearer overhead view if that helps any.....

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&cp=pzqq9d5d7bnv&scene=5116743&lvl=2&sty=b

Well, I don't know what happen to the satellite on the first try, (must have been in remission LOL) but it works fine now. TY

 

[hollyblue]

I think there has to be other videos with SK on them from the other views of the house. I would bet Mr. Security had one on his garage and that would have definitely given us a shot at SK advancing down the street or whatever he did after the other cameras (3 & 7?) caught him.

Surely KC has this knowledge. ????

 

[Chili Fries]

BBM

An issue that is not always respected/resolved without a call to the police/parking official. Perhaps a complaint is on file somewhere?

Clark County has a searchable court records site. The problem is that you'd have to look up all the people who live on Evening Lights Av, Portsmouth Creek Av or Marion Center Courts on White Pages, which I did in the past with the neighbor search. Then you'd have to search all those names at the Clark County Courts site which is a lot of work. I remember Neagle saying that a private investigator canvassed the neighborhood asking for info about Steven. I think asking about parking issues would have been a good idea but I doubt the PI did that.

 

[harleysnana]

Not street level but gives a clearer overhead view if that helps any.....

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&cp=pzqq9d5d7bnv&scene=5116743&lvl=2&sty=b

Going by this map I notice a few things.....
There are cars parked on the street in front of houses!
So why did he not park his car in front of the house he was going to?

I really think he was going to one of the houses on that street..
otherwise I think he would have parked in the other circle or on the
other street.

On the video it looks like he actually crosses over to the east side of
the street. So maybe we should start with the houses on the east side?

The layout of the streets and where the cul-de-sacs are located
and the fact that he did not park on the street in front of
a house make me think….. he either was told not to park in front
of the house, or he was going to meet someone and leave
in their car and be gone a while (days).

I would be more than happy to dig into the people who live in the
houses if someone can send me a link on how to look up people!
I have no clue where to start but I think this is something we should
look at.

JMO

 

[harleysnana]

I'm not ella's mom, but...no. No, I wouldn't. He looks to me like he knows exactly where he's going. Like he's either been there before or can see his destination.

I also want to add to this thought...
looking at the map I think we can rule out that he was not going to the first
house on the East side because it has a fence around it and
the main entrance is on the South side.
I also think the fact that he crosses over means he is defiantly going
to one of the houses on the East.

 

[capoly]

May or may not be relevant to this case but an interesting read with its potential to pose a neighborhood/parking problem.

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2008/aug/21/matching-homeowners-who-have-empty-houses-homeless/

 

[ella's mom]

......but I doubt the PI did that.

Snipped for content:

I'd like to know exactly what the PI actually did. I know he/she said they wouldn't take anymore $ because there weren't any more leads (that's what Naegle was told). Isn't that the point when you hire a PI? I could give a ton more ideas that the PI should be looking into (and I am sure all of you could too). I just don't get why that explanation is acceptable. Might be time to get another PI.

Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way and missed a key point. If so, I apologize.

 

[harleysnana]

Here is a map I did that shows the houses numbered.
IMO I think he went to house 2,3,4 or 5 given where his
car was parked and that he crossed to the East side
of the street.
I also didn't realize the house the camera was on
was also on Evening Lights.... wonder if they had
some problems in the past on that street and that
is the reason they put the camera up?

 

[webrocket]

Here is a map I did that shows the houses numbered.
IMO I think he went to house 2,3,4 or 5 given where his
car was parked and that he crossed to the East side
of the street.
I also didn't realize the house the camera was on
was also on Evening Lights.... wonder if they had
some problems in the past on that street and that
is the reason they put the camera up?
View attachment 7214

You are assuming he was visiting a house. I've always seen this as simply Steven parking his car in the cul-de-sac then walking to Evening Lights to get into a waiting car.

For all we know Steven was sitting in his car until the pick up vehicle came into his sight. So even if he had never been there before, he could see the precise vehicle that was picking him up so he did not have to look at houses or addresses.

 

[capoly]

Okay...so one possible scenario is:

Steven had previously been to this neighborhood and was walking to a specific home.

That home was not located on the west side (security camera side)of Evening Lights nor was it the first home on the east side (corner of Savannah & EL).

harleysnana brings up a couple of valid points:

There are cars parked on the street in front of houses.

The layout of the streets and where the cul-de-sacs are located
and the fact that he did not park on the street in front of
a house suggest he either was told not to park in front
of the house, or he was going to meet someone and leave
in their car and be gone a while.

As does Chili Fries:

"Some neighbors are very serious about not letting people park in front of their house, especially if it happens all the time. If whatever house Steven was visiting consistently had overflow parking so their guests had to park in front of neighbors yards then the neighbors could have gotten sick of it and said no more. Steven's car was parked at the closest area to Evening Lights which is not in front of a house."


First thing that strikes me is "be gone for a while"......If he was told by a resident of that community to park there for this reason then it be logical to think that resident would not want Steven's car parked there beyond a reportable time. Founding out the policy, ie number of days without being moved, for reporting an "abandoned" car in that community might give us an idea of the length of time Steven was expected to be gone.

Again, this is a scenario.....it is not fact

 

[capoly]

You are assuming he was visiting a house. I've always seen this as simply Steven parking his car in the cul-de-sac then walking to Evening Lights to get into a waiting car.

For all we know Steven was sitting in his car until the pick up vehicle came into his sight. So even if he had never been there before, he could see the precise vehicle that was picking him up so he did not have to look at houses or addresses.

We are working at one scenario....you are welcomed to work at another scenario based on your views. It is called sleuthing.....and just as one shoe does not fit all....neither does one line of sleuthing.

 

[harleysnana]

You are assuming he was visiting a house. I've always seen this as simply Steven parking his car in the cul-de-sac then walking to Evening Lights to get into a waiting car.

For all we know Steven was sitting in his car until the pick up vehicle came into his sight. So even if he had never been there before, he could see the precise vehicle that was picking him up so he did not have to look at houses or addresses.

Please re read my other posts! I have also brought up the possibility of
him leaving in another car … thanks!
So we can sit here and think…. yeah he may have gotten into another
car and not sleuth anything because we would have nothing to sleuth…
or we can go with the fact that he MAY have gone to a house…
that is something we can sleuth…so why not?

 

[capoly]

Here is a map I did that shows the houses numbered.
IMO I think he went to house 2,3,4 or 5 given where his
car was parked and that he crossed to the East side
of the street.
I also didn't realize the house the camera was on
was also on Evening Lights.... wonder if they had
some problems in the past on that street and that
is the reason they put the camera up?
View attachment 7214

Looking at the map as you have posted it.....the location of his car/direction of his walk adds to this scenario. Were he just parking to leave the car the fastest way to put distance between the two would be to exit at the end of Savannah.

 

[webrocket]

Please re read my other posts! I have also brought up the possibility of
him leaving in another car … thanks!
So we can sit here and think…. yeah he may have gotten into another
car and not sleuth anything because we would have nothing to sleuth…
or we can go with the fact that he MAY have gone to a house…
that is something we can sleuth…so why not?

It was my understanding that LE and/or the family canvassed the area on Evening Lights. Sure someone on that street could have murdered him and threw him under the crawl space but that makes no sense with Steven's car left in the neighborhood.

Among my concerns is that people who have absolutely nothing to do with Steven's disappearance are being named here because they may have owned a home, a business, maybe been in foreclosure or anything else. Why not throw in people who are in the divorce or bankruptcy process too? How about anyone with a criminal record? How would you like to be plastered about the internet in this manner?

The family has stated that Steven had no business or church related business in Vegas. A few church people knew he was there but none bothered to question why. That is a far more disturbing fact the family should focus on rather than people trying to connect people who just happen to live on Evening Lights to this disappearance.

 

[hollyblue]

Wish we could key in a time on the satellite for 12 noon on 12/13/09 and see the view. Wouldn't that be nice? A live view 24/7.

 

[webrocket]

Didn't somebody name a Travis Hansen without even knowing if it was the same Travis Hansen from St. George?

I know I made a comment then about placing names here. I can try to find it.

 

[webrocket]

here it is:

Quote:
Originally Posted by believe09
Travis Hansen, the owner of a Carpet Cleaning company and a Real Estate agent in the Las Vegas area according to this linked in profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/travis-hansen/7/563/bb6

 

[hollyblue]

It was my understanding that LE and/or the family canvassed the area on Evening Lights. Sure someone on that street could have murdered him and threw him under the crawl space but that makes no sense with Steven's car left in the neighborhood.

Among my concerns is that people who have absolutely nothing to do with Steven's disappearance are being named here because they may have owned a home, a business, maybe been in foreclosure or anything else. Why not throw in people who are in the divorce or bankruptcy process too? How about anyone with a criminal record? How would you like to be plastered about the internet in this manner?

The family has stated that Steven had no business or church related business in Vegas. A few church people knew he was there but none bothered to question why. That is a far more disturbing fact the family should focus on rather than people trying to connect people who just happen to live on Evening Lights to this disappearance.

Web, I agree with you. I think GW should be sleuthed. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if someone hasn't and has just not made it known publicly. But I also see nothing wrong with someone wanting to go this avenue also. All the info is public. We are not here to judge anyone, just trying to help find a missing person.

I think if Steven is still alive, there is a thin chance he still is in the LV area. Why leave the car parked there if you are going to start a new life in that area?

One other question I think we should ask Naegle. We know he had episodes with sleep walking----Did he ever drive while doing this. If he slept in his car the night before, might he not wake up and start driving?