GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[SStarr33]

EN dealt drugs there. TM regularly visited him there according to a neighbor who was willing to go on record. EN called for a ride out of there when he felt threatened. EN tried to retreat. The M's escalated and there was no turning back. Events were in motion.

Of course EN could have turned back and retreated. The Meyers did.

 

[sonjay]

Yes I can explain why BM was out there, he didn't want his mom driving alone looking for this guy who threatened them. BM grabbed his gun and went out. BM IIRC has a permit to carry and the gun wasn't loaded when he left the house. You can take Cimarron to Westcliff Dr and Westcliff runs into Buffalo. He can take Buffalo to Ducharme to get home and that is the way they took for whatever reason. I also know that BM didn't fire his weapon per police findings so apparently he really didn't want to use it unless he had to.

I have no idea what they planned on doing when they saw the silver car and neither does anyone here IMO. It wasn't stated why.

This is what we really want to know, and the Meyerses won't say. It's entirely possible — even likely — that they were indeed out to get EN specifically and he was in fact in danger from them.

IIRC TM said that was the car that was after them when they spotted it. Did they chase it or did EN think they were being chased after all BM/TM could have been going home. The Audi took the route that the Buick would have had to make in order to get to Mt. Shasta. The Audi stopped closer to Alta on VIlla Monterey and the Buick stopped a cars length from Cherry River and shots were fired from the Audi. Why did they stop a cars length? I don't know, maybe the Meyers didn't think they would be shot at, but maybe wanted to make sure that car didn't follow them home????

The Buick stopped a car's length south of Cherry River. They went past their turnoff to go home. Had they been heading home, they would have turned west on Cherry River, but they continued to pursue the silver car until the silver car stopped and fired at them to stop the pursuit.

 

[sonjay]

Of course EN could have turned back and retreated. The Meyers did.

The Meyerses turned back and retreated after they got shot at.

EN turned back and retreated after he got shot at.

The Meyerses went looking for the confrontation.

EN tried to avoid it.

 

[PaperDoll]

BBM. Yes, BM got in the car and went searching for the road rager. (Allegedly)

Why? Can you explain why? Do you know what his intentions were? Do you know what TM's intentions were? Were they bringing the silver car tea and cookies?

Is it okay that they then pointed a gun at and chased the wrong car?

Did the Buick ever shoot at the Audi? Why do you believe EN said he saw a gun, did he ever mention what side of the car held the gun out the window? It was dark outside so how does he know it was a gun he was seeing? No one knows if BM held his gun out the window, there is no statement saying he did except EN saying that is what he saw. We do know that EN took shots at the Buick instead of fleeing, why didn't EN flee if he felt he was in danger? He had opportunity to flee but he didn't. WHY?

 

[SeeAlice]

Well it might as well of been him driving because they are equally guilty under the law no matter which one drove and which one was the shooter.

But EN does live in that neighborhood in fact very close by and I don't think EN is sitting there like a knot on a log and letting him go into a cul-de-sac for nothing.

I don't believe in coincidences in M1 cases. They just happen to coincidently come into THE cul-de-sac where the green car was and the Myers hadn't even had time to even get into their home yet? I think the shooter and driver saw the taillights of the green car and knew it went into the cul-de-sac. It is obvious EN was ready to fire and did even before either of the Myers could get into their home for protection.

I don't buy it and I seriously doubt the jury will either.

But was it not a coincidence that a silver sedan road raged vs TM and that EN was riding in a different silver sedan in the same area?

(Are we now going with the theory that there were 2 completely separate incidents with 2 different silver sedans, or were EN & the guy whose car he was in the original road ragers who side-swiped TM & KM after the driving lesson and blocked the road in front of them, got out of the car and threatened to kill "you and your daughter?")

This whole thing is SO darned confusing!

 

[sonjay]

Did the Buick ever shoot at the Audi? Why do you believe EN said he saw a gun, did he ever mention what side of the car held the gun out the window? It was dark outside so how does he know it was a gun he was seeing? No one knows if BM held his gun out the window, there is no statement saying he did except EN saying that is what he saw. We do know that EN took shots at the Buick instead of fleeing, why didn't EN flee if he felt he was in danger? He had opportunity to flee but he didn't. WHY?

Please please please read the GJ transcript. EN did flee. The Buick pursued him. The Buick only broke off its pursuit when EN fired at them.

 

[SeeAlice]

Yes I can explain why BM was out there, he didn't want his mom driving alone looking for this guy who threatened them. BM grabbed his gun and went out. BM IIRC has a permit to carry and the gun wasn't loaded when he left the house. You can take Cimarron to Westcliff Dr and Westcliff runs into Buffalo. He can take Buffalo to Ducharme to get home and that is the way they took for whatever reason. I also know that BM didn't fire his weapon per police findings so apparently he really didn't want to use it unless he had to.

I have no idea what they planned on doing when they saw the silver car and neither does anyone here IMO. It wasn't stated why.

IIRC TM said that was the car that was after them when they spotted it. Did they chase it or did EN think they were being chased after all BM/TM could have been going home. The Audi took the route that the Buick would have had to make in order to get to Mt. Shasta. The Audi stopped closer to Alta on VIlla Monterey and the Buick stopped a cars length from Cherry River and shots were fired from the Audi. Why did they stop a cars length? I don't know, maybe the Meyers didn't think they would be shot at, but maybe wanted to make sure that car didn't follow them home????

Vigilantism by the M family gone horribly awry.

JMO

 

[sonjay]

But was it not a coincidence that a silver sedan road raged vs TM and that EN was riding in a different silver sedan in the same area?

(Are we now going with the theory that there were 2 completely separate incidents with 2 different silver sedans, or were EN & the guy whose car he was in the original road ragers who side-swiped TM & KM after the driving lesson and blocked the road in front of them, got out of the car and threatened to kill "you and your daughter?")

This whole thing is SO darned confusing!

The Meyerses — and the prosecution, at this point — would have us believe it's a coincidence.

I don't believe in coincidences. However, I've seen enough lies from the Meyerses, particularly KM, that I believe she made up the whole driving lesson/road rage story. The driving lessons were made up; the road rage was made up; the "minor accident" was made up; the death threat was made up; the silver car following them home and shooting TM was made up. So no, there was no coincidence.

It was all made up to cover up the fact the the Meyerses got in their car with BM's gun that night to go stalk, threaten and chase EN. And I think EN is lucky that he had a gun. There's no telling what would have happened to him that night if he hadn't had a way to defend himself. Remember, the Meyerses broke off their pursuit of the Audi only after EN fired his gun at them.

 

[PaperDoll]

At what point in their trip did BM testify that they gave up their search for the person threatening their family and were heading home? I'm not seeing anywhere that BM said they had given up.

I didn't say he went home, I was giving a reason why he took a street that leads to his home. All the streets mentioned in the statements, are streets very close to EN and The Meyers homes. I don't understand how EN didn't know who the dark green Buick belonged to, and especially seeing it on the cul-de-sac, he knew the Meyers and where they lived. The Meyers didn't know who was in the Audi because EN had different people drive him places so it's understandable why they wouldn't know. MOO

 

[SpanishInquisition]

IIRC TM said that was the car that was after them when they spotted it. Did they chase it or did EN think they were being chased after all BM/TM could have been going home. The Audi took the route that the Buick would have had to make in order to get to Mt. Shasta. The Audi stopped closer to Alta on VIlla Monterey and the Buick stopped a cars length from Cherry River and shots were fired from the Audi. Why did they stop a cars length? I don't know, maybe the Meyers didn't think they would be shot at, but maybe wanted to make sure that car didn't follow them home????

BM testified that they chased it. They pulled up and stopped 10-15 feet behind the car, then when it took off in response they followed it and when it turned on Villa Monterey they turned.

 

[PaperDoll]

I just went back once again and read the GJ transcript where Gogg talked about what EN said to him after the 1st shooting. EN didn't say he was going home, in fact Gogg was the one who mentioned how EN drove and the location of his house. EN didn't tell Gogg he was going home, he simply said I headed westbound on Alta towards Cimarron. Now, if EN was really wanting to go home, he could have taken the short cut: Alta, Carmel Peak, Cherry River but the time he mentioned the short cut was after he saw the Buick driving onto Mt. Shasta. Was EN really going home or was he heading some place else?

 

[PaperDoll]

EN dealt drugs there. TM regularly visited him there according to a neighbor who was willing to go on record. EN called for a ride out of there when he felt threatened. EN tried to retreat. The M's escalated and there was no turning back. Events were in motion.

EN dealt drugs there (illegal activity but oh well, we all do things ) Yes, he regularly visits the park per KK testimony, but if he's feeling threatened by someone who is after him, why hang out there, he didn't retreat much if he was still hanging around the park, he didn't try to go home instead he still hung out at the park. I wonder who was there first, EN or the Buick meaning was the Buick in the parking lot before EN was at the park, or was EN at the park then the Buick shows up?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I just went back once again and read the GJ transcript where Gogg talked about what EN said to him after the 1st shooting. EN didn't say he was going home, in fact Gogg was the one who mentioned how EN drove and the location of his house. EN didn't tell Gogg he was going home, he simply said I headed westbound on Alta towards Cimarron. Now, if EN was really wanting to go home, he could have taken the short cut: Alta, Carmel Peak, Cherry River but the time he mentioned the short cut was after he saw the Buick driving onto Mt. Shasta. Was EN really going home or was he heading some place else?

EN expressly said he gave directions to Andrews on how to get to his house with Mogg even outright quoting EN on that point:

He said they continued westbound and he
said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his
house. His house is further to the west on Cherry River
than Carmel Peak. So they turned around and they came
back and he said "I know a left turn, a shortcut to get
to my house," something to that effect.

 

[PaperDoll]

Please please please read the GJ transcript. EN did flee. The Buick pursued him. The Buick only broke off its pursuit when EN fired at them.

I read that statement but he stopped and fired his weapon instead driving off. He could have done a number of things instead of firing his weapon in a residential neighborhood right near a school. He could have turned right on Alta and drove some place where he felt safer but he didn't. Maybe the Buick would have given up, who knows but I do know the Buick didn't shoot at the Audi.. and I do know the Buick went home right after the 1st shootout, and I do know the Audi then pursued them onto their street in a neighborhood where there could have been more damage done by all the firing EN claimed he did. Where did all the bullets go when he was firing? We know someone was killed from a one of the bullets EN fired.

 

[PaperDoll]

EN expressly said he gave directions to Andrews on how to get to his house with Mogg even outright quoting EN on that point:

He said they continued westbound and he
said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his
house. His house is further to the west on Cherry River
than Carmel Peak. So they turned around and they came
back and he said "I know a left turn, a shortcut to get
to my house," something to that effect.

The 1st part of your bold, how do you know he's giving instruction to DA? To me it sounds like he was referring to the Buick. (call me crazy but that is how I took it ) The 2nd bold is the instructions.

 

[sonjay]

I read that statement but he stopped and fired his weapon instead driving off. He could have done a number of things instead of firing his weapon in a residential neighborhood right near a school. He could have turned right on Alta and drove some place where he felt safer but he didn't. Maybe the Buick would have given up, who knows but I do know the Buick didn't shoot at the Audi.. and I do know the Buick went home right after the 1st shootout, and I do know the Audi then pursued them onto their street in a neighborhood where there could have been more damage done by all the firing EN claimed he did. Where did all the bullets go when he was firing? We know someone was killed from a one of the bullets EN fired.

OMG. He did drive off without firing his weapon. The Buick chased him. The Buick only broke off its pursuit after he fired his weapon. The Meyerses virtually forced EN to fire at them. They weren't giving up the chase until they were threatened with lethal force. They were very determined.

 

[BellaVita]

I also know that BM didn't fire his weapon per police findings so apparently he really didn't want to use it unless he had to.

He really DID want to use it. His own testimony says so. I won't copy it here again. Here is the link:

http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

I have no idea what they planned on doing when they saw the silver car and neither does anyone here IMO. It wasn't stated why.

IIRC TM said that was the car that was after them when they spotted it.

What good reason would there be to look for the car? Can you acknowledge how foolhardy it was? And who said the car was after them when they spotted it? Not TM! Whoever said it, I'd like a link.

 

[sonjay]

He said they continued westbound and he
said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his
house. His house is further to the west on Cherry River
than Carmel Peak. So they turned around and they came
back and he said "I know a left turn, a shortcut to get
to my house," something to that effect.

The 1st part of your bold, how do you know he's giving instruction to DA? To me it sounds like he was referring to the Buick. (call me crazy but that is how I took it ) The 2nd bold is the instructions.

Whatever the first bold means, the second bold is the instructions. EN wanted to go home and was telling DA how to take him there. Somehow they ended up in the cul de sac instead.

 

[BellaVita]

He said they continued westbound and he
said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his
house. His house is further to the west on Cherry River
than Carmel Peak. So they turned around and they came
back and he said "I know a left turn, a shortcut to get
to my house," something to that effect.

The 1st part of your bold, how do you know he's giving instruction to DA? To me it sounds like he was referring to the Buick. (call me crazy but that is how I took it ) The 2nd bold is the instructions.

It's in the transcript. Mogg is repeating what EN told him. To paraphrase: the detective said it made sense to him knowing the layout of the street.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I read that statement but he stopped and fired his weapon instead driving off.

So you're blaming the Audi for not running a stop sign and illegally driving into oncoming traffic? If they had done that perhaps a lot more than one person would have died that night in the resulting vehicular collision. The Audi had to stop where it stopped, but the Buick didn't have to drive past Cherry River.