GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[Deleted member 50844]

This is on subpoenaing text messages:
http://www.compellingdiscovery.com/?p=446
One of the issues with it is that the cell companies don't necessarily retain the texts for a long time, so we'll have to see what LE/DA was able to get.

I found this by Googling...
When you delete a text, the phone marks the filespace that was previously taken up with messages, as "available for overwrite". it doesn't actually delete the messages. When you get a new message the phone sees that space as available and overwrites the previous data.

Link: http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/general-conversation/125310-police-read-deleted-text-messages.html

 

[SStarr33]

I don't know that any of us on here are reformed ex-cons, but I've known reformed drug users I can say they'd just do what they could to not be dragged back in. If they thought someone might drag them back into the scene, they'd distance themselves and move on and a fast way of distancing is deleting instead of having it linger as a constant invitation. I'm not an ex-con or ex-drug user, but I can see why those who do would do things to not to fall off the wagon.

If you are innocent and drive someone after a murder that you know nothing about, then you can't delete because there is NO WAY not to get found out.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It depends on which cell phone companies they both had. Two cell phone companies keep texts much longer than the others. I thought I posted that info here in this thread previously. I'll go look for it and post it again.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

If you are innocent and drive someone after a murder that you know nothing about, then you can't delete because there is NO WAY not to get found out.

But what is smart and makes sense and is the right thing to do isn't always what people do in a panic. The tall tales of the victim's family are proof of that.

 

[SStarr33]

But what is smart and makes sense and is the right thing to do isn't always what people do in a panic. The tall tales of the victim's family are proof of that.

But they fessed up. He didn't

 

[Miss Muffet]

Here's a great chart listing the type of data and length of time retained by various cell phone companies:

http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1740,iid=313504,00.asp

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Having a reason for doing something wrong doesn't make it smart or the right thing to do. JMO.

ETA

Derrick doing something stupid doesn't mean he's innocent just becuase he has a reason for his actions.

I'm not saying what he was right, but was explaining why someone could have done something given their background. The question was whether or not someone on here would delete text and I was saying we're not the ones to answer that as we're not ex-cons who are allegedly trying to stay clean, so I responded back with something somewhat similar in what an ex drug addict would do who is trying to stay clean. I'm also not saying he's innocent and I think I was one of the first to post if not the first to post on possible contradictions between what he said and what EN apparently said.

 

[jjenny]

Andrews is trying to portray himself as nice guy who felt sorry for Nowsch, gave him a ride after the shooting and that's the only thing he regrets doing the night Tammy Meyers was brutally killed.

I wonder if he will change his tune when discovery is released and his true whereabouts are shown? JMO.

He already admitted he picked him up at the area by the school.
He just claims it was after the murder. So we are to believe the actual driver drove EN around, and then returned him right to the school? Then he doesn't seem to remember where he dropped EN off. O'key.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I recall initially that the shooting driver dropped EN off in the neighborhood, and EN got a ride from someone else to the casino.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But what is smart and makes sense and is the right thing to do isn't always what people do in a panic. The tall tales of the victim's family are proof of that.

I think that the odds of LE framing Andrews as being the driver is next to nothing. They probably have cell phone evidence to support the charges against him.

I have a feeling we will see that Andrews made an attempt to coverup his participation in this crime. He was unsuccessful in my opinion. I don't think any "tall tales" of the victims family will have a great impact on the trial of these two miscreants. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

He already admitted he picked him up at the area by the school.
He just claims it was after the murder. So we are to believe the actual driver drove EN around, and then returned him right to the school? Then he doesn't seem to remember where he dropped EN off. O'key.

That doesn't make a lot of sense does it. Obviously Andrews made several self serving comments but they fall very flat with a tiny bit of scrutiny. JMO.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

If you are innocent and drive someone after a murder that you know nothing about, then you can't delete because there is NO WAY not to get found out.

I'm not talking about them thinking about legal consequences, but rather psychological reasons for doing something. Deleting as a psychological defense to avoid returning to drug addiction for example, not that they're thinking the cops wouldn't ask them questions as the motivating reason for the deletion...cops questioning is something in the future that may happen, but you're definitely dealing with risking being drawn back in the present, so you protect yourself in the here and now and deal with the future later.

 

[Miss Muffet]

miscreants.

That's a great word!

 

[Miss Muffet]

Derrick should have kept his mouth shut. It probably doesn't matter. I'll bet he told LE the same stuff.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm not saying what he was right, but was explaining why someone could have done something given their background. The question was whether or not someone on here would delete text and I was saying we're not the ones to answer that as we're not ex-cons who are allegedly trying to stay clean, so I responded back with something somewhat similar in what an ex drug addict would do who is trying to stay clean. I'm also not saying he's innocent and I think I was one of the first to post if not the first to post on possible contradictions between what he said and what EN apparently said.

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I understand what your saying.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That's a great word!

It's one of my favorites. It's a way to describe suspects without using foul language.

IMO.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

He already admitted he picked him up at the area by the school.
He just claims it was after the murder. So we are to believe the actual driver drove EN around, and then returned him right to the school? Then he doesn't seem to remember where he dropped EN off. O'key.

Keep in mind the prosecution's case is actually the reverse of that. We're supposed to believe the Meyers had drama at the park cancelling the driving lesion early then all sorts of drama between them leaving the school and arriving at their home with a deadly Audi with a death threat that is still in active, yet they come back armed and chase another Audi right by where they had the earlier driving lesion drama but they really weren't after that Audi. If this was a Hollywood movie script it would never get greenlighted as you've now got a Meyers and a Reverse Meyers with a Half Twist.

 

[jjenny]

I recall initially that the shooting driver dropped EN off in the neighborhood, and EN got a ride from someone else to the casino.

I don't recall anything of the sort.

 

[jjenny]

Keep in mind the prosecution's case is actually the reverse of that. We're supposed to believe the Meyers had drama at the park cancelling the driving lesion early then all sorts of drama between them leaving the school and arriving at their home with a deadly Audi with a death threat that is still in active, yet they come back armed and chase another Audi right by where they had the earlier driving lesion drama but they really weren't after that Audi. If this was a Hollywood movie script it would never get greenlighted as you've now got a Meyers and a Reverse Meyers with a Half Twist.

Considering EN called to people, it might all be connected.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I don't recall anything of the sort.

I'll help you remember. Then I'm going to bed. brb