GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[sonjay]

Dang, I missed the whole interview. Does anyone know if it's available to watch somewhere?

Based on what I've read so far, I have no opinion yet vis-a-vis DA's involvement. If he wasn't the "getaway driver," and if he really did pick EN up after the shooting, then I expect him to say something just like what he said.

OTOH, if he was the driver, I expect him to lie and say something just like what he said.

As long as EN refuses to identify the driver, we got nothing.

The police, however, probably have a lot. They must have times and phone numbers of phone calls made by EN, and ditto for DA. And cell tower pings. They probably have the textual content of texts sent and received by EN, and ditto for DA. They might have witnesses (his mother?) who saw him leave and/or return, and know what time he left and/or returned. LE might have the silver car, or proof that he has or had access to a silver car. If DA has or has access to a silver car that has a bullet hole in it, that would be pretty compelling! There might be surveillance video of DA driving, and/or picking up or dropping off EN.

At this point, we have no idea to what extent any of the evidence proves or doesn't prove that DA drove EN during the shootings. I'm unable to draw any conclusions about his involvement. Based on just the evidence we've seen — which is virtually zero — I would be unable to convict DA of anything.

As I understand it, the evidence (available to us) is that DA received phone calls and/or text messages from EN that night. We know that DA acknowledged receiving texts and/or phone calls, so we're not just relying on what the prosecution says. We know that DA admits to having given EN a ride that night, but he claims the ride was later, after the shooting, and he doesn't admit to having been the driver during the shooting.

We know that they deleted each other from their phones. Sign of a guilty conscience, or just a sign that DA was shocked and disgusted and wanted nothing more to do with EN? I dunno.

I don't see how anyone could draw any conclusions about DA's involvement based on the evidence that's available to us at this time.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I don't see how anyone could draw any conclusions about DA's involvement based on the evidence that's available to us at this time.

Even if I take it for granted that he was involved as the driver, I don't see how LE/DA would have evidence necessarily proving his involvement as the driver. Per Mogg "At that point he called two friends whom he refused to identify to me and asked them to come and assist him. At one point he said that he was actually waiting in the park and didn't want to get into one of his friends' vehicles until the green car had left the area." So EN could have contacted him, Andrews could have gone there before the shooting and it still wouldn't necessarily mean per the record he was the specific driver of the Audi that EN got in even if he was the driver in reality and the record showed that he was in the area at that time. If they have a car seized from him that would be one thing, but just off phone records wouldn't necessarily show it. If he was car #2, he may feel it is best to deny that he was there entirely instead of saying he was there but he didn't do it.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

DA claims he found out from the media. And that's when he told EN to delete him. That doesn't really add up to me. For an alibi story, her sure was pretty vague about all the details. What time does he claim he actually went to pick EN up? Where exactly did he pick EN up and where did he drop him off? What car did he use? He is claiming he wasn't the driver during the murder, so presumably it would be something else and not the silver sedan. Yet he doesn't say. If I were trying to prove my "innocence" and I was actually innocent, I would certainly not skip over these details.

With all due respect, I don't think I can decide his guilt based on him telling a vague alibi story during the what, two or three minute snippet I saw as a TV interview. Unless something more detailed and official came out while I was sleeping, we don't have a lot of information to go on.
He didn't have a lot of time TO give a detailed account, and I only saw a few questions answered during that clip and he was likely answering the questions the reporter asked.
I vote that from now on these reporters consult with us here before they do any more interviews connected to this case! Lol. We can give them a list of perfect questions to make the most of their interview time. We know the right things to ask!

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Maybe he saw how effective it was that RM got out in front of the story and talked to the media right away to proclaim his family as victims and paint them with a broad brush of innocence. They seem pretty immune to prosecution for anything, despite their lies to police and their deliberate efforts to hinder the investigation.

Bingo. He could just start telling 27 different versions of the same story and everyone would be so confused they'd just give him a pass. This is the most bizarre case I've ever followed. I'm just thankful that Mr. Meyers has shut the hell up and quit giving all those stories so I'm not even more confused. I've never seen a case with so many different and confusing accounts of what happened.
What baffles me is how the victim's family had time and presence of mind to even come up with the lies in the time between Tammy getting shot and the police arriving and interviewing them. ???
I just cannot imagine I'd be able to conspire to fib with my mom dying (as good as dead) in my yard.
At any rate...you're right. They haven't been charged with anything...yet...which is odd because I know that making a false police report is a huge no-no here. Maybe the laws are different in Vegas.
A very odd and perplexing case indeed.

 

[sonjay]

Even if I take it for granted that he was involved as the driver, I don't necessarily see how LE/DA would have evidence necessarily proving his involvement as the driver. Per Mogg "At that point he called two friends whom he refused to identify to me and asked them to come and assist him. At one point he said that he was actually waiting in the park and didn't want to get into one of his friends' vehicles until the green car had left the area." So EN could have contacted him, Andrews could have gone there before the shooting and it still wouldn't necessarily mean per the record he was the specific driver of the Audi that EN got in even if he was the driver in reality and the record showed that he was in the area at that time. If they have a car seized from him that would be one thing, but just off phone records wouldn't necessarily show it.

Very true. Phone records will provide more information than what we currently have, but they won't necessarily prove anything.

The textual content of text messages, if available, could be very revealing.

If even there's evidence that proves he was the driver, they still have a steep uphill climb to prove that the silver car intentionally followed the green car into the cul de sac in order to kill TM.

As I see it, right now, we got nothing on DA either way. We'll have to see what the evidence actually shows.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Very true. Phone records will provide more information than what we currently have, but they won't necessarily prove anything.

The textual content of text messages, if available, could be very revealing.

If even there's evidence that proves he was the driver, they still have a steep uphill climb to prove that the silver car intentionally followed the green car into the cul de sac in order to kill TM.

As I see it, right now, we got nothing on DA either way. We'll have to see what the evidence actually shows.

Part of it could matter as to when the text messages were deleted. If they were deleted on or before 2/15 that I could see more establishing Conspiracy since TM had not yet died, but if they were deleted after she died I could see that being Accessory After The Fact, which is a separate crime that isn't a lessor included charge of the charges brought. I could for instance see how a jury could say that EN individually committed M1 when he unilaterally decided to fire multiple rounds, but Andrews was an Accessory After The Fact for deleting the texts days later but let him off because he wasn't charged with that and he didn't conspire with EN beforehand within the scope of the elements of the charges.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I vote that from now on these reporters consult with us here before they do any more interviews connected to this case! Lol. We can give them a list of perfect questions to make the most of their interview time. We know the right things to ask!

Excellent idea! Love it!

 

[sonjay]

Bingo. He could just start telling 27 different versions of the same story and everyone would be so confused they'd just give him a pass. This is the most bizarre case I've ever followed. I'm just thankful that Mr. Meyers has shut the hell up and quit giving all those stories so I'm not even more confused. I've never seen a case with so many different and confusing accounts of what happened.
What baffles me is how the victim's family had time and presence of mind to even come up with the lies in the time between Tammy getting shot and the police arriving and interviewing them. ???
I just cannot imagine I'd be able to conspire to fib with my mom dying (as good as dead) in my yard.
At any rate...you're right. They haven't been charged with anything...yet...which is odd because I know that making a false police report is a huge no-no here. Maybe the laws are different in Vegas.
A very odd and perplexing case indeed.

I dunno. We can't believe anything he says, but I find him pretty entertaining. And his ramblings do give us clues with respect to what the family's concerns are.

 

[PaperDoll]

I'm trying to catch up on this new development. I do remember that EN said the color of the car was cream colored, now that may not mean anything at all, and we do know that DA neighbors mentioned they never saw a Silver Audi at DA's house. This far I'm going to believe DA wasn't the driver after reading what he said in his interview.

 

[sonjay]

Part of it could matter as to when the text messages were deleted. If they were deleted on or before 2/15 that I could see more establishing Conspiracy since TM had not yet died, but if they were deleted after she died I could see that being Accessory After The Fact, which is a separate crime that isn't a lessor included charge of the charges brought. I could for instance see how a jury could say that EN individually committed M1 when he unilaterally decided to fire multiple rounds, but Andrews was an Accessory After The Fact for deleting the texts days later but let him off because he wasn't charged with that and he didn't conspire with EN beforehand within the scope of the elements of the charges.

More than when the texts were deleted, I really really want to know what they said, and I very strongly hope that the content of the texts was available for LE to retrieve.

If there was a text that said, "There's trouble with _______. I need help. I have a gun with me, but you might want to bring yours too," that would put things in a very different light than if there's a text that said, "Can you give me ride to the casino?"

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I guess it depends on WHEN he figured out EN was the shooter. There was a time gap between the two arrests. If we heard about who the shooter was, I am sure those in the area would have heard too. So he could have found out the same day we did, I would think. Has there been anything in the news indicating that he even did know it before it was announced on the news?

I am wondering if DA may have been the one that picked EN up later on and took him to his close friend's home? Her name is Khatelin or something similar. She said she did not know the method of how EN arrived at her home, irrc.

But its awfully coincidental if both drivers of the vehicles could be described as 'fat' like EN described the driver but I guess its possible.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

More than when the texts were deleted, I really really want to know what they said, and I very strongly hope that the content of the texts was available for LE to retrieve.

If there was a text that said, "There's trouble with _______. I need help. I have a gun with me, but you might want to bring yours too," that would put things in a very different light than if there's a text that said, "Can you give me ride to the casino?"

Yes, me too. A revealing pre-incident text depending on what it is said could establish M1 on both their parts to a great degree or at least give greater likelihood to conviction on other charges. So far what we have is what was done during and after.

 

[PaperDoll]

IIRC I thought EN had a friend drop him off at a Casino earlier in the evening, then he was dropped off at the park and that is when he spotted the Buick. He called a friend to come help him out, I wonder if this friend is the same one who dropped him off at the Casino earlier. I'm trying to find where I saw EN being at the Casino earlier, not sure I saw it in the police report or GJ report. I'll have to go back and look.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

IIRC I thought EN had a friend drop him off at a Casino earlier in the evening, then he was dropped off at the park and that is when he spotted the Buick. He called a friend to come help him out, I wonder if this friend is the same one who dropped him off at the Casino earlier. I'm trying to find where I saw EN being at the Casino earlier, not sure I saw it in the police report or GJ report. I'll have to go back and look.

Half of Vegas is giving EN rides, the other half of Vegas EN thinks is out to get him

 

[PaperDoll]

Half of Vegas is giving EN rides, the other half of Vegas EN thinks is out to get him

LOL I must be the other half who's out to get him because I never gave him a ride..

 

[sonjay]

I am wondering if DA may have been the one that picked EN up later on and took him to his close friend's home? Her name is Khatelin or something similar. She said she did not know the method of how EN arrived at her home, irrc.

But its awfully coincidental if both drivers of the vehicles could be described as 'fat' like EN described the driver but I guess its possible.

Both of those are possibilities right now, as far as I know.

DA could have been the one who picked up EN later.

EN could have more than one "fat" friend, but it would be pretty coincidental, and I tend not to believe in coincidences. But, it's not that much of a coincidence Plenty of people are chubby.

EN having two fat friends isn't anywhere near as much of a coincidence as the Meyerses having run-ins with two separate, unrelated silver sedans that night. I don't believe the two-unrelated-cars theory at all.

 

[PaperDoll]

Goodness I'm reading the police report and I can't seem to locate where I saw that EN was at a casino earlier that evening prior to the shooting.. I could have sworn I saw it????? GRRRR!

 

[sonjay]

Goodness I'm reading the police report and I can't seem to locate where I saw that EN was at a casino earlier that evening prior to the shooting.. I could have sworn I saw it????? GRRRR!

I think the reports were that he was at a recording studio. Maybe. The friend that he originally claimed as an alibi for the entire evening said no, he dropped EN off at the park around.... I think 9:30 was what he said. Chris somebody?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

EN having two fat friends isn't anywhere near as much of a coincidence as the Meyerses having run-ins with two separate, unrelated silver sedans that night. I don't believe the two-unrelated-cars theory at all.

There's still the possibility of Car #2-As-Road-Rager that could have road raged against the car with or without EN's explicit direction where it was tied to EN, but he was never in that car. I do not think that is the case that there was a road rager, but there's more than one way a road rager story could in theory be true.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I think the reports were that he was at a recording studio. Maybe. The friend that he originally claimed as an alibi for the entire evening said no, he dropped EN off at the park around.... I think 9:30 was what he said. Chris somebody?

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