GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[sonjay]

There's still the possibility of Car #2-As-Road-Rager that could have road raged against the car with or without EN's explicit direction where it was tied to EN, but he was never in that car. I do not think that is the case that there was a road rager, but there's more than one way a road rager story could in theory be true.

Yeah, theoretically possible. But the road rage story has been so inconsistent from the very beginning that I just can't put any stock in it. The driving lesson/road rage story makes sense as a made-up story told instead of the true story, to cover up what really happened. As a made-up story, of course it's going to have tons of inconsistencies. But as an actual event that really happened? I just don't buy it.

There have been way too many inconsistencies. It was an accident; no, it was a near-accident; no, it was a sideswipe. There was an angry exchange of words; no, there was a threat to "come back later" for you and your daughter; no, there was a threat to "kill you and your daughter" and nothing about "later." It started on Villa Monterey; no, it started on Cimarron. It started because TM was driving the speed limit; no, it started because KM honked the horn. The silver car followed them home and shot TM; no, they escaped home safely and went back out to hunt for it. KM saw the silver car near their house after they got home; no, she didn't.

And why aren't the police still looking for the spiky-haired dude in the sketch?

 

[PaperDoll]

I think the reports were that he was at a recording studio. Maybe. The friend that he originally claimed as an alibi for the entire evening said no, he dropped EN off at the park around.... I think 9:30 was what he said. Chris somebody?

Yes his original story was he was at a recording studio that evening and it turned out he wasn't.

 

[sonjay]

Yes his original story was he was at a recording studio that evening and it turned out he wasn't.

I'm pretty sure Chris Kabew (the guy with the recording studio) confirmed that EN was with him earlier that evening. I think it's probably immaterial whether EN was with him at a recording studio or somewhere else. Although that information could become relevant, I guess. But Kabew the recording-studio guy confirmed that EN was with him earlier that evening, but he killed EN's alibi when Kabew said he dropped EN at the park around 9:30. (I think it was around 9:30)

 

[PaperDoll]

Alright this is what I found in the police report and somehow I must have gotten it mixed up with the Casino after the shooting:

"On 2-18-15, your affiant and Detective Smith interviewed Christopher Kabew. Kabew said he was not at the recording studio with Nowsch on 2/12/15, that he picked Nowsch up at Anson Sister City park on 2/12/15 at 1930 hours, and dropped him off at the park at 2130 hours."

 

[Miss Muffet]

Who is Aaron? In the GJ transcript, KK mentions Aaron helping them find MSM story matching EN's description of events. Clearly more people knew about this than KK and ZA. Did Aaron find out about it via KK and ZA? Or did EN tell Aaron himself? Or does Aaron have first hand knowledge somehow?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

And why aren't the police still looking for the spiky-haired dude in the sketch?

That to me is the biggest thing by far as given EN and Andrews arrest that they didn't get that alleged guy, they should be back blasting the airwaves with the sketch and how that there's still an active death threat against the Meyers with the family still in mortal danger. This lack of diligence in preventing an alleged active mortal threat is what gives me skepticism in this case where EN/DA's defense will blow the DA's theory out of the water and could outmaneuver the DA and turn it around into saying the Meyers are covering up what they intended to do to EN with that fake story, which could severely nuke the case against them irrespective of what EN/DA actually did that night. If the DA loses credibility with the jury, it will invite finding on lesser charges or no charges at all and I see this as a distinct possibility that the DA's case won't be taken as credible by the jury unless they have hard evidence - like highly incriminating text messages - that could overcome that.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Who is Aaron? In the GJ transcript, KK mentions Aaron helping them find MSM story matching EN's description of events. Clearly more people knew about this than KK and ZA. Did Aaron find out about it via KK and ZA? Or did EN tell Aaron himself? Or does Aaron have first hand knowledge somehow?

Yes, I'm confused on that too in that one part it sounds like KK is saying they are accomplices: "And then the following day at work Zack found an article that matched Aaron and Erich, sent me the link, and I hadn't even gotten halfway through the article before I ran out of my office and called the police." And in another part it sounds like Aaron is a co-worker/friend unrelated to this: "Now at some point the thing about the media changed when you had a friend by the name I believe of Aaron. Is that correct?"

 

[Miss Muffet]

Yes, I'm confused on that too in that one part it sounds like KK is saying they are accomplices: "And then the following day at work Zack found an article that matched Aaron and Erich, sent me the link, and I hadn't even gotten halfway through the article before I ran out of my office and called the police."

The bolded is what sent up my radar.

And in another part it sounds like Aaron is a co-worker/friend unrelated to this: "Now at some point the thing about the media changed when you had a friend by the name I believe of Aaron. Is that correct?"

Well, EN was a friend of KK too. And isn't it interesting that Aaron who had the key to them finding the right story? KK and ZA were actively searching based on what they knew. Aaron seemed to have more information that helped make the connection. And EN himself was saying to search the news.

 

[jjenny]

I'm trying to catch up on this new development. I do remember that EN said the color of the car was cream colored, now that may not mean anything at all, and we do know that DA neighbors mentioned they never saw a Silver Audi at DA's house. This far I'm going to believe DA wasn't the driver after reading what he said in his interview.

Warrant for his arrests says DA responded in his sliver Audi sedan.
"In obtaining a no-bail warrant for Andrews' arrest, Stanton told Clark County District Court Judge Linda Marie Bell that Andrews responded in his silver Audi to a phone call from Nowsch." - See more at: http://www.bostonnewstime.com/regio...-road-rage-shooting.html#sthash.dYIxjYZz.dpuf
http://www.bostonnewstime.com/regio...eyers-during-february-road-rage-shooting.html

 

[Miss Muffet]

Warrant for his arrests says DA responded in his sliver Audi sedan.
"In obtaining a no-bail warrant for Andrews' arrest, Stanton told Clark County District Court Judge Linda Marie Bell that Andrews responded in his silver Audi to a phone call from Nowsch." - See more at: http://www.bostonnewstime.com/regio...-road-rage-shooting.html#sthash.dYIxjYZz.dpuf
http://www.bostonnewstime.com/regio...eyers-during-february-road-rage-shooting.html

That sentence doesn't say the warrant says it. It was stated in GJ testimony for obtaining a warrant. I want more than Stanton's word about this Audi. It's a darn shame a GJ makes decisions based on a mere word instead of requiring titles and registrations or at least pictures of vehicles.

 

[jjenny]

That sentence doesn't say the warrant says it. It was stated in GJ testimony for obtaining a warrant. I want more than Stanton's word about this Audi. It's a darn shame a GJ makes decisions based on a mere word instead of requiring titles and registrations or at least pictures of vehicles.

This information was provided to a judge to obtain a no bail warrant.
But a neighbor claimed he never saw the audi, so that must be so.

By the way DA is aspiring mechanic who often works on cars. Therefore he could have access to numerous cars that aren't necessarily registered to him.

 

[jjenny]

"The Meyers shooting isn’t the first time Andrews was accused of being a getaway driver. Six years ago, Andrews admitted to driving away in a gold Toyota from the Fashion Outlets in Primm after another man stole purses and wallets from the Coach Factory Store."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/erich-nowsch-s-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested

 

[Miss Muffet]

This information was provided to a judge to obtain a no bail warrant.
But a neighbor claimed he never saw the audi, so that must be so.

By the way DA is aspiring mechanic who often works on cars. Therefore he could have access to numerous cars that aren't necessarily registered to him.

Show me proof he owns an Audi, his mother owns an Audi, or he was driving someone else's Audi that night. The jury will want proof before destroying a young man's life. An officer's mere word isn't good enough for a conviction.

 

[Miss Muffet]

"The Meyers shooting isn’t the first time Andrews was accused of being a getaway driver. Six years ago, Andrews admitted to driving away in a gold Toyota from the Fashion Outlets in Primm after another man stole purses and wallets from the Coach Factory Store."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/erich-nowsch-s-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested

I'm slightly annoyed people are referring to the driver of the Meyers shooting as a "getaway driver." Getaway drivers are much less involved in crimes, than drivers in drive-by-shootings, and receive less severe penalties. Whoever was driving EN during the shooting is much more than a getaway driver. If what DA states is correct, he arrived after the shooting and picked up EN, then I can view him as a getaway driver if anyone can prove he knew EN was involved in the shooting when he picked EN up afterwards.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

By the way DA is aspiring mechanic who often works on cars. Therefore he could have access to numerous cars that aren't necessarily registered to him.

But that doesn't put him in Car #1, which unless there's something very specific that at best puts him indeterminate between being Car #1 or Car #2. If the car isn't registered to him and we're just going off that he's a mechanic that has access to cars and there's text and other evidence putting him in the area, that doesn't put him as EN's driver at the time of the shooting as he could have been there in the other car of unknown make car that EN didn't get into.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Next the LVDA will tell us there were two silver/grey AUDIS that night.

But completely unrelated.

 

[jjenny]

But that doesn't put him in Car #1, which unless there's something very specific that at best puts him indeterminate between being Car #1 or Car #2. If the car isn't registered to him and we're just going off that he's a mechanic that has access to cars and there's text and other evidence putting him in the area, that doesn't put him as EN's driver at the time of the shooting as he could have been there in the other of unknown make car that EN didn't get into.

What makes you think police didn't find the actual car?

 

[Deleted member 50844]

I seem to remember that the daughter stated there were two black men involved in this. I don't have a link, I am just going off of memory of things that came up in the beginning. I'm not sure if that was part of the supposed road rage incident or the shooting. I cannot find anything about it by Googling, so maybe I am all mixed up. If I did remember this correctly, what ever happened with that? Are police looking for these black men to get their story of what happened? They would surely be able to shed some light on this case.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I seem to remember that the daughter stated there were two black men involved in this. I don't have a link, I am just going off of memory of things that came up in the beginning. I'm not sure if that was part of the supposed road rage incident or the shooting. I cannot find anything about it by Googling, so maybe I am all mixed up. If I did remember this correctly, what ever happened with that? Are police looking for these black men to get their story of what happened? They would surely be able to shed some light on this case.

You're not remembering incorrectly. LE and LVDA are disregarding that for some reason. EN having multiple cars show up that night could explain the inconsistencies in KM and BM's statements regarding car occupants.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

What makes you think police didn't find the actual car?

I don't know one way or the other. I was going off what you stated was used to get to get the warrant and based upon that, that would not necessarily put Andrews in Car #1. Maybe in that time they've now got the car and maybe they haven't, but I can't just assume they have the car when AFAIK there hasn't even been public claims by LE/DA that they have the car nor has that been relayed in what was in Andrews' GJ indictment, which is why I look forward to reading these documents when they come out. EN was arrested, but at least by the time of the GJ they hadn't obtained his 45 so I have no reason to assume this is any different with Andrews and the car.