GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[BellaVita]

First off I don't believe at that time the police had all the facts, JMO, and IMO the road rager did follow them home because TM and BM thought the Audi they spotted parked near the school WAS the road rager guy. That is the way I look at this story.

No. LE didn't have all the facts because the M's chose to omit the facts. And make up stuff. The story now is 180 degrees from what was told at the beginning. The M's chose to omit/lie about huge, major events that took place that night. I wish I could find the link where the police state that they talked to the owner of the Buick (the M grandmother possibly?) and every single scratch/damage has been accounted for and they don't believe any contact with another car occurred that night. If the number of people in the road rage car has now been reduced from 3 to 1, I have to seriously question if there was even 1 person or road rage at all.

 

[BellaVita]

I'm sure you're right — there will be no clarity in the initial police report. It will be interesting, I'm sure. I can't wait to see the full police report and learn exactly what lies the Meyerses told police, but I'm sure it won't shed any light on what actually happened.

Here's what the police released on Feb. 14:

At the conclusion of the lesson, the adult female was driving home when she had a near-collision with another vehicle. There was a verbal confrontation between the victim and the other male driver.

The two females then drove to their home on Mount Shasta Circle and summoned another family member, who was armed with a handgun, to help. The preliminary investigation indicates that some time later, the suspect vehicle appeared on the street, multiple shots were fired, and the victim was struck by one round.

As of this release, no suspect or suspects have been identified and there is no definitive description of the suspect vehicle. At this juncture, this is an active, open investigation. The release of any further information may jeopardize detectives’ ability to solve the case and arrest those involved.

Detectives with the LVMPD Violent Crimes Section are seeking the public’s assistance in identifying and locating the vehicle and occupants involved in this incident. The vehicle can only be described as a four-door grey or silver sedan and may possibly have damage to the front driver’s side of the vehicle. It is also possible the car may have impact rounds from gunfire.

One of the occupants of the vehicle is described as a white male adult approximately 25 years of age. He is further described as being about 6 feet tall and weighting approximately 180 pounds. This male has dirty blonde hair worn in a spiked style and has hazel or blue eyes.

http://www.lvmpd.com/Portals/0/news/2015/021415ReleasePO036a.pdf

BBM: "some time later"-so vague. Police already knew there were problems with the timeline presented.

BBM: see how the story has changed: from GJ:
http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

A. We turned right and then we went straight
and then we turned right and he got, he turned with us
but he swerved in the bus lane and he hit my side.
Q. Hit the passenger side of the car?
A. Yes.

No mention of this originally. Hard to get the passenger side mixed up with the driver side. But KM managed it.

 

[sonjay]

No mention of this originally. Hard to get the passenger side mixed up with the driver side. But KM managed it.

Actually, while KM did mix up a lot of stuff and keep changing her story, this particular point isn't a mix-up. The police news release says the silver car might have front driver's-side damage, and KM said the silver car hit the Buick on the Buick's passenger side. So that would actually made sense, if there had in fact been a collision of any sort. I'm pretty sure that's why the police said the silver car might have left-front damage, because it allegedly hit the Buick on the Buick's passenger side.

IMO, it's harder to mix up getting hit & not getting hit. KM keeps saying the silver car hit the Buick, but police say there's no evidence of a collision, and some of the news articles refer to a near-collision.

 

[BellaVita]

Actually, while KM did mix up a lot of stuff and keep changing her story, this particular point isn't a mix-up. The police news release says the silver car might have front driver's-side damage, and KM said the silver car hit the Buick on the Buick's passenger side. So that would actually made sense, if there had in fact been a collision of any sort. I'm pretty sure that's why the police said the silver car might have left-front damage, because it allegedly hit the Buick on the Buick's passenger side.

IMO, it's harder to mix up getting hit & not getting hit. KM keeps saying the silver car hit the Buick, but police say there's no evidence of a collision, and some of the news articles refer to a near-collision.

Thanks. I missed the bolded part.

 

[sonjay]

Thanks. I missed the bolded part.

I think you've got it straight now, but in case anyone else is confused, here's a rough image.

Silver car hit passenger side of green car. Green car should have passenger-side damage, silver car should have left-front damage:



Edited to add: But police say this didn't happen, even though KM says that it did. How do you get mixed up about whether the car you're in was hit almost right where you're sitting?

 

[sonjay]

EN told Mogg he saw the Buick on Cherry River. Mogg says he COULD HAVE seen it on Carmel. IMO, EN thought the Buick was headed to his house. If that's what EN thought (and I believe that based on what he told Mogg) then he had no reason to believe the Buick would be on Carmel. It's in the wrong direction.

I could see it being something like this. As the silver car passes Carmel Peak, EN looks to his right and sees the green car on Cherry River just as it approaches/enters the intersection. He could easily think the green car is going to go past his house.

 

[BellaVita]

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i could see it being something like this. As the silver car passes carmel peak, en looks to his right and sees the green car on cherry river just as it approaches/enters the intersection. He could easily think the green car is going to go past his house.

ita...

 

[Deleted member 50844]

I've still seen no satisfactory explanation for why the Meyerses took a gun and went to chase EN in the silver car. Why take a gun and go chase somebody? The only way you could not expect to get into a gun battle when you do that is if you think the guy you're going to chase isn't armed.
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Well, remember...this Big Bad Barbie act had worked out in her favor previously. Her son proudly told the story of how she'd brazenly confronted a gangster-type AT HIS HOME in the past and came out the hero for putting a bad guy in his place. She didn't end up getting shot, amazingly, that time, so she likely thought she was going to have a similar ending to chasing down this supposed bad guy and giving him the what-for. It seems it didn't occur to her that some people might have a different reaction to her intimidation tactics. So, no, she probably wasn't looking for a gun battle from the onset, just looking to be badass and intimidate the other subject. Why not call the police? Well, she'd "handled" those who did her wrong in the past with positive results, why not do it again? Note: this is ASSUMING there even WAS a road rage incident, a fact many of us are not convinced of.

 

[PaperDoll]

There's actually no physical evidence of 22 rounds being fired off the entire night between the combined EN and BM. If TM did fire that many rounds on Mt Shasta, then the crime scene was compromised by the time CSI worked on it.

You are right, but per EN he said 22 rounds, per evidence from LE, it wasn't that many.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You are right, but per EN he said 22 rounds, per evidence from LE, it wasn't that many.

Nowsch fired from the inside of the car. Some of the empty shell casings could have fallen inside. JMO.

 

[PaperDoll]

That is correct, the police did not have all the facts, because the Meyerses lied to them about what happened. You can look at this event sideways, upside down, or swinging from a tree at midnight during the first full moon after the spring equinox, and it will not change the fact that the Meyerses lied to the police that night about what happened.

It's theoretically possible (but I think unlikely almost the point of impossibility) that the Meyerses thought that the silver car that they went hunting for and that then did follow them home and shoot TM was the same silver car that allegedly road raged TM, but they failed completely to tell police that TM & BM went out hunting for the silver car with BM's gun, that they chased the silver car, and that the silver car shot at them over on Villa Monterey.

Nope, what they told police was that the silver car road raged TM & KM, followed TM and KM home, and shot TM. Oh, and that BM came out of the house with his gun to return fire.

Why did they lie to police that night?

Ok if they lied, they lied but they also didn't kill anyone that night and EN did. We know the Audi went on Mt. Shasta and shot off rounds and killed a woman on her own property, and shot at a person running from their car to the house, there was, IMO, no need for that. We don't know the whole story yet.

 

[BellaVita]

Ok if they lied, they lied but they also didn't kill anyone that night and EN did. We know the Audi went on Mt. Shasta and shot off rounds and killed a woman on her own property, and shot at a person running from their car to the house, there was, IMO, no need for that. We don't know the whole story yet.

The M's started it and EN finished it. It was a crapshoot when it came down to who would die and who would live. Both parties had guns and both fired them. Again, only luck of the draw as to who would end up injured or deceased. If TM hadn't been hunting for trouble, she'd have never been killed on her own property. Did the M's think they are the only people with guns? They were pursuing the Audi. For what purpose? The results of the M's actions that night are not surprising in the least. Just because BM didn't kill anyone that night doesn't mean he couldn't have.

 

[sonjay]

The M's started it and EN finished it.

Yep, exactly. If you believe the Meyers' story about road rage, it's even worse. Not only did they start it, but they started it with the wrong guy. They were allegedly out hunting for the road rager, but instead they armed up, stalked, threatened and chased a guy who was just hanging out in the park minding his own business.

It was a crapshoot when it came down to who would die and who would live. Both parties had guns and both fired them. Again, only luck of the draw as to who would end up injured or deceased. If TM hadn't been hunting for trouble, she'd have never been killed on her own property. Did the M's think they are the only people with guns? They were pursuing the Audi. For what purpose? The results of the M's actions that night are not surprising in the least. Just because BM didn't kill anyone that night doesn't mean he couldn't have.

I personally think the Meyerses weren't aware that EN had recently acquired a gun. I think they thought he'd be easy pickin's. I think they were shocked as heck when he fired at them, and that's probably why BM went into such shock that he was unable to fire his own gun.

I continue to wonder how that night would have turned out if EN hadn't had a gun of his own.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about what happened right before Tammy was shot and killed in front of her own home.

I'm not sure why the accounts about what happened earlier in the evening don't fit well. In fact, I don't think that they will make a big difference when this case goes to trial.

JMO.

I don't even see where the Myers statement could be classified as a lie.

I do think the Myers assumed the silver/gray car they came upon afterwards was the one who had done the previous road rage incident.

Brandon had not seen the car before so its logical to think... since the occupants of the road rage car had already threatened TM&KM ...it was the same silver/gray car/occupants that was firing at them.

I do think at the time it was happening they did believe this was the road rager who shot at them and then followed them home when Tammy was murdered. Brandon said the windows were tinted on the silver car that was shooting at them. Kristal said the silver car that had the one who threatened them in it didn't have tinted windows. So there is consistencies that there were two different cars and occupants that night. Silver and gray 4 door sedans are very popular. It isn't like it is a rare color in a vehicle.

 

[sonjay]

Ok if they lied, they lied but they also didn't kill anyone that night and EN did. We know the Audi went on Mt. Shasta and shot off rounds and killed a woman on her own property, and shot at a person running from their car to the house, there was, IMO, no need for that. We don't know the whole story yet.

I'm curious.... Picture this: The green car was chasing the silver car on Villa Monterey. The silver car stopped, the green car stopped, and EN fired at the green car. What do you think would have happened if EN hadn't fired?

The Meyerses cannot claim they were innocently on their way home and that they weren't actually following or chasing the silver car; if they were on their home, they would have turned west on Cherry River, but instead they continued south on Villa Monterey past Cherry River, and they only stopped when the silver car stopped.

What would have happened if EN hadn't had a gun and fired it to make the green car stop chasing him?

 

[sonjay]

I don't even see where the Myers statement could be classified as a lie.

I do think the Myers assumed the silver/gray car they came upon afterwards was the one who had done the previous road rage incident.

Brandon had not seen the car before so its logical to think... since the occupants of the road rage car had already threatened TM&KM ...it was the same silver/gray car/occupants that was firing at them.

I do think at the time it was happening they did believe this was the road rager who shot at them and then followed them home when Tammy was murdered. Brandon said the windows were tinted on the silver car that was shooting at them. Kristal said the silver car that had the one who threatened them in it didn't have tinted windows. So there is consistencies that there were two different cars and occupants that night. Silver and gray cars now are very popular. It isn't like it is a rare color in a vehicle.

Of course it was a lie. They told police that TM & KM were road raged, that the road rager followed TM & KM home, and shot TM. And that BM came out of the house to return fire.

That's a lie. That's a big, fat, bald-faced blatant lie. No matter how you slice it, it's a lie. That lie was maintained for 5 days after the shooting.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm curious.... Picture this: The green car was chasing the silver car on Villa Monterey. The silver car stopped, the green car stopped, and EN fired at the green car. What do you think would have happened if EN hadn't fired?

The Meyerses cannot claim they were innocently on their way home and that they weren't actually following or chasing the silver car; if they were on their home, they would have turned west on Cherry River, but instead they continued south on Villa Monterey past Cherry River, and they only stopped when the silver car stopped.

What would have happened if EN hadn't had a gun and fired it to make the green car stop chasing him?

We cant assume something that never happened. But just speculating she may have followed the car and its occupants to their home and got out and talked with them like she supposedly did in the other case.

Neither Tammy nor Brandon have an record to show they use violence as a tool to resolve issues. That seems to be more ENs style.

Brandon didn't even load the gun until he had already been fired upon. I imagine he took the gun for the sole purpose of protection in case he needed it since he had no idea who the road rager was at the time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Of course it was a lie. They told police that TM & KM were road raged, that the road rager followed TM & KM home, and shot TM. And that BM came out of the house to return fire.

That's a lie. That's a big, fat, bald-faced blatant lie. No matter how you slice it, it's a lie. That lie was maintained for 5 days after the shooting.

Who said that? If it was RM then it was just miscommunication. What RMs said really means nothing. He wasn't even in the state at the time.

Was it Brandon since he was the one there. If so, do you have a link where he said he only came out of the house to fire his weapon and said he was never in the car with his mom at the time?

 

[sonjay]

Who said that? If it was RM then it was just miscommunication. What RMs said really means nothing. He wasn't even in the state at the time.

Was it Brandon since he was the one there. If so, do you have a link where he said he only came out of the house and said he was never in the car with his mom at the time?

No, that's what KM & BM told the police that night. I've linked to the police news release several times recently:

http://www.lvmpd.com/Portals/0/news/2015/021415ReleasePO036a.pdf

"The two females then drove to their home on Mount Shasta Circle and summoned another family member, who was armed with a handgun, to help."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You are right, but per EN he said 22 rounds, per evidence from LE, it wasn't that many.

Mogg was asked in the GJ if he had learned that more shots were fired than he first thought?

I think they found more.