GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

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  • #701
Where does it say that EN did or did not get into the first car that arrived or whether or not both vehicles arrived before the Buick left? I think at whatever time the Buick left that EN did wait a few minutes before getting into it, which I'm inclined to believe the Buick left sometime after 11:00 and that there was a rather short time period between the Buick leaving and re-appearing for the final time, but I have no evidence of that and I want to see evidence physical evidence that provides specific times (why I like the CCTV footage as it is objective and provides hard numbers) that can narrow down what happened and when without it being subject to the various parties self-interested recollections.
Until we get the GJ testimony of DA, we can only go by what DA has stated himself, what has been shared via the media about the GJ testimony, and evidence like the CCTV footage. DA says he received contact from EN around 11:00. I believe DA was the driver of the car in the shooting. As a result, he couldn't have arrived prior to 10:50 to pick up EN. I don't believe the buick left after 10:50 because that's one point that has remained constant from the beginning.

I also believe there was an incident of some sort, but I don't believe it was an accident. Initially I believed it was with the same vehicle as it was on its way to picking up EN; however, now that the LVDA insists there were two separate cars, and Mogg's testimony implies more than one friend may have arrived since there were calls for rides to more then one friend, and Mogg specifically stated "one" for the car he didn't get into, and I see someone in EN's driveway, it's possible the incident occurred with a different car than the shooting car EN got into.
 
  • #702
Until we get the GJ testimony of DA, we can only go by what DA has stated himself and what has been shared via the media about the GJ testimony. DA says he received contact from EN around 11:00. I believe DA was the driver of the car in the shooting. As a result, he couldn't have arrived prior to 10:50 to pick up EN. I don't believe the buick left after 10:50 because that's one point that has remained constant from the beginning.

Actually it hasn't. What has remained consistent was the length of the lessons at 50 minutes, but in the GJ testimony KM didn't specify a start or end time other than to say it was dark out.

I also believe there was an incident of some sort, but I don't believe it was an accident. Initially I believed it was with the same vehicle as it was on its way to picking up EN; however, now that the LVDA insists there were two separate cars, and Mogg's testimony implies more than one friend may have arrived since there were calls for rides to more then one friend, and Mogg specifically stated "one" for the car he didn't get into, and I see someone in EN's driveway, it's possible the incident occurred with a different car than the shooting car EN got into.

With or without an incident that leaves an awful lot of time between 10:50 and 11:20.
 
  • #703
Actually it hasn't. What has remained consistent was the length of the lessons at 50 minutes, but in the GJ testimony KM didn't specify a start or end time other than to say it was dark out.
Her not specifying a time didn't change the time. The 50 minutes remaining constant indicates it hasn't changed. Omission of something stated previously does not mean the previous statement is no longer valid. We're dealing with an LVDA who speaks with inaccurate verb tenses and doesn't seem to ask intelligent questions or many follow up questions to clarifying things. KM doesn't seem to be the brightest crayon in the box either.

With or without an incident that leaves an awful lot of time between 10:50 and 11:20.
We've been dealing with this 30 minutes from the start. They drove around, had an incident, and went home to get BM, who was playing video games and wasn't dressed. Then they drove around again, had a high speed car chase, and engaged in a first shootout. Time flies when you're a road-raging SAHM.

If DA's timing is accurate, he didn't pick up EN until shortly before TM and BM saw the Audi.
 
  • #704
EN brought a gun with him because he feared someone was out to get him and his family, but did he ever say who these people were? So, yes, EN was out to kill since he, too, had a gun on him.

He was out to protect himself. He had the gun with him in the park yet never confronted the Buick with it until the M's began chasing and flashed their own gun. Believe me, from personal experience, very personal experience, just because a person carries a gun for protection doesn't mean he/she is "out to kill".
 
  • #705
EN lied as well, yeah, I know he lied to stay out of prison right? But a lie is a lie no matter what. So it's ok for him to lie about what actually happened that night but not for the Meyers? EN lied to cover up, if the Meyers lied they, too are covering up, do we know what that is? I don't think we do because we don't have the full police report that was taken that night.

I don't think the police report is going to say why they lied.
 
  • #706
First off I don't believe at that time the police had all the facts, JMO, and IMO the road rager did follow them home because TM and BM thought the Audi they spotted parked near the school WAS the road rager guy. That is the way I look at this story.

Let's be honest, the police still don't have all the facts. Jangled nerves is just not a valid reason to excuse enormous discrepancies such as driving home and switching passengers for one that is armed, forgetting who was in the car, etc. Their nerves weren't too jangled to quickly collude over the lies they told police, transparent as they turned out to be. Granted those fallacies may not concern the police and they seem to have chosen to gloss over them, but they don't have all the facts. IMO.
 
  • #707
Was EN registered to own a gun? If he felt threatened why not call the police and report it?

What were the police going to do about it? Oftentimes, the police can't even help a woman being stalked by a boyfriend.
 
  • #708
I don't think the police report is going to say why they lied.

I don't think it will either. I don't believe police have the slightest clue why the Meyers lied and continue to lie. I believe I've read a few posters here and there in this thread who don't think what the Meyers lied about matters to police, and that may be true.
 
  • #709
Attempting to interpret vague testimony as newer testimony arises is a much better effort than tossing out half the testimony from almost day one and sticking to that no matter what new testimony presents, IMO.

I am not tossing out half the testimony. First, KM's testimony is a small and increasingly smaller percentage of the total testimony.
Second, I am ready, willing and able to believe her tale of driving lessons and road rage the very instant someone produces some tiny shred of evidence that there were driving lessons or road rage that night. It's not a matter of "sticking to it no matter what"; it's a matter of waiting to see some evidence for such a loony tale before I give it any credibility. I have provided many reasons that I disbelieve her; it's my opinion they are good reasons.

The DA insists there were two different cars and that's coming from somewhere. Maybe you think he pulled it out of thin air. Why are you going to believe Mogg's testimony and not the conclusion the DA has reached based on evidence Mogg has provided the DA?

The DA is saying that the road rager's silver car and DA's silver car were two different cars. That's coming from the spiky-haired dude being neither EN nor DA, and the tinted/not-tinted descriptions of the silver cars.

He is absolutely not insisting that two of EN's friends arrived in two different cars, and he has most certainly not testified nor even suggested that two of EN's friends arrived in two different silver cars.

Let's take a look at what Mogg actually said -- the very closest that he came to "insisting" that two of EN's friends showed up in two different cars was this:

"At that point he called two friends whom he refused to identify to me and asked them to come and assist him. At one point he said that he was actually waiting in the park and didn't want to get into one of his friends' vehicles until the green car had left the area. Eventually the green car leaves the area. He said he got into the vehicle with a friend of his whom he described as a white male."

That's vague and imprecise. We already discussed this quite a ways back. EN could have said something to Mogg like "I called a couple of my friends. When one of them showed up, I didn't want to get in his car until the green car was gone," and in Mogg's testimony on that got summarized into "he called two friends .... he said that he was actually waiting in the park and didn't want to get into one of his friends' vehicles until the green car had left..."

Mogg never specifically said "Two of his friends came in two different cars. One of his friends arrived while the green car was still there, but EN didn't want to get in it because the green car was still there. When the other friend arrived, the green car had left, and EN got into that friend's car."

That was not testified to. Nothing like that was testified to. Mogg's testimony allows for the possibility that two of EN's friends showed up in two cars, but it most definitely does not state such in anything approaching a direct statement that two cars showed up.
 
  • #710
Where does it say that EN did or did not get into the first car that arrived or whether or not both vehicles arrived before the Buick left? I think at whatever time the Buick left that EN did wait a few minutes before getting into it, which I'm inclined to believe the Buick left sometime after 11:00 and that there was a rather short time period between the Buick leaving and re-appearing for the final time, but I have no evidence of that and I want to see evidence physical evidence that provides specific times (why I like the CCTV footage as it is objective and provides hard numbers) that can narrow down what happened and when without it being subject to the various parties self-interested recollections.

It doesn't say any of that. It doesn't even explicitly say that two cars arrived to pick up EN. It's possible that two did. If two friends did come out to pick up EN, it would have been nice if Mogg had actually said so. I would also think they'd be looking for the driver of the other car. If the other car was the alleged road rager, they'd want to talk to him, and even if he wasn't the alleged road rager, he could give testimony vis-a-vis what time he got the call, what time he showed up, if he saw a green car lurking, if he saw any other cars, if saw a road rage incident, etc. He'd be somebody they would really want to talk to, but I haven't seen anything indicating that the police want to talk to a second friend of EN's who showed up in a second car.
 
  • #711
There is someone standing in EN's driveway. And the EN GJ transcript indicates more than one car arrived. The DA is saying there were two different cars---the accident/incident car and the shooting car. I'm trying to make what's in each testimony all fit together. It seems SpanishInquisition is trying to do the same.

We all know you don't believe KM and have disregarded her entire testimony. That's cool. Just please stop trying to force us to do the same.

I'm trying to fit together what there's actually evidence for.

I'm not trying to "force" anyone to believe anything. I'm supporting my point of view, just as you are and most of the rest of us here are doing. That's allowed. It's encouraged. Please stop trying to stop me from doing so.
 
  • #712
As for me, I got the distinct impression that the LVDA referring to the road rage car as a separate car and separate incident was his way of distancing himself from that testimony.
 
  • #713
As for me, I got the distinct impression that the LVDA referring to the road rage car as a separate car and separate incident was his way of distancing himself from that testimony.

That's the impression I get. He would prefer to not even address the alleged road rage at all, IMO, but he's not going to be able to ignore it.
 
  • #714
I don't think it will either. I don't believe police have the slightest clue why the Meyers lied and continue to lie. I believe I've read a few posters here and there in this thread who don't think what the Meyers lied about matters to police, and that may be true.

I think the police probably have a lot of thoughts and suspicions about why the Meyerses lied and how it ties into everything that followed. I suspect they don't have a lot of evidence to support their ideas. It appears that the DA is completely ignoring the lies. I can't figure out why.
 
  • #715
And while I am thinking of it, even tho I thanked you for the side-by-side KM and BM testimony, I thank you again. Quite an eye opener.
 
  • #716
Doing some cell tower research. Apparently, towers have three sides. A, B, C, Generally A covers North or NE, B South or SE and C covers West. So far, I am reading that range can be from max 22 miles to max 45 miles. Looking at a cell tower map for the LV area, nothing to the west of DA's house, but towards the park, several. One almost dead center from DA to park is Rampart. I want to see cell logs and a superseding GJ transcript. Added below. DA house where street view icon is on left.

celltowers.jpg

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=las+vegas&state_abr=nv
 
  • #717
Doing some cell tower research. Apparently, towers have three sides. A, B, C, Generally A covers North or NE, B South or SE and C covers West. So far, I am reading that range can be from max 22 miles to max 45 miles. Looking at a cell tower map for the LV area, nothing to the west of DA's house, but towards the park, several. One almost dead center from DA to park is Rampart. I want to see cell logs and a superseding GJ transcript.

Oh, wow, good find! A cell tower almost dead center between DA's house and the park should provide some unmistakeable directional and location signals.
 
  • #718
And while I am thinking of it, even tho I thanked you for the side-by-side KM and BM testimony, I thank you again. Quite an eye opener.

Well, thank you! I'm glad someone appreciates that. To me, that correlation between KM's road rage story and BM's car chase & shooting story just paints such a clear picture of how KM's lies came about.

I would also find it coincidental beyond the point of credulity to believe that two separate incidents on the same night could have so many correlations.

Time will tell — I hope! — if there really was a road rage that night separate and apart from the car chase in which BM & TM chased EN. If it turns out that KM's story of the road rage is true, I'll need a lot of seasoning & tenderizer for the crow I'll be eating. :)
 
  • #719
Another almost dead center tower to the north. DA house where the Hamburger Helper hand is to left. Park is SE.
cell tower2.jpg

St. Charles Tower on Spring Gate Ln.

Oh, looks like I can get an apartment for $690 a month.
 
  • #720
Well, thank you! I'm glad someone appreciates that. To me, that correlation between KM's road rage story and BM's car chase & shooting story just paints such a clear picture of how KM's lies came about.

I would also find it coincidental beyond the point of credulity to believe that two separate incidents on the same night could have so many correlations.

Time will tell — I hope! — if there really was a road rage that night separate and apart from the car chase in which BM & TM chased EN. If it turns out that KM's story of the road rage is true, I'll need a lot of seasoning & tenderizer for the crow I'll be eating. :)

And I'll take a wing. I am more interested in the twists and turns of this case, rather than determining guilt or innocence. And, I find certain testimony vague and self-serving, including Mogg. I don't take things I'm told at face value. I never have. Hopefully, I never will.
 
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