NV - Tesla Cybertruck explosion at Trump hotel in Vegas investigated as a possible terrorist act, 1 Jan 2025

[Friday Fan]

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Review of "U.S. Army Reconnaissance and Surveillance Handbook."

 

[Betty P]

The simple problem being if reported, many feel that they could lose their jobs, or even their purpose. MOO.

I suspect there’s a culture of covering up and minimizing these problems, especially for those who fit a profile of being an “ideal” soldier. Perhaps, if his problems aren’t interfering with other members of the military, he’s tolerated or even protected by others in his group.

 

[Charlot123]

The Friday LVMPD press conference mentions phone app notes from the suspect that seem to reveal planning this act, going back at least weeks. He was making a political statement of some kind.

My question: which happened first - the start of planning for the explosions or the wife asking for a divorce?

If it was the divorce talk, then I wonder - is the spouse financially liable for the !$100k Cybertruck bill? If so, it could have one been part of his plan - to turn the tables on her. Instead of him paying alimony/child support (she was expecting their first child, correct?) - she's now saddled with a large debt and he's not paying anything (but his life, bitter and tragic as it is.)

I hope there is life insurance she can collect, anyway.

One thing, he even apologized to those who might have been harmed as the result of his work. He had empathy. I doubt that he would do it to his child or the child’s mother.

I think he was more chronically suicidal than we think, and for a longer time. His job had definite risks, I assume. So he could “passively” hope that something would happen in the line of his duty. And since nothing did, he took matters into his own hands.

I think that his quarrel with wife could have been a trigger, but not the cause for his suicide.

 

[bestill]

Our country has a mental health crisis. It's in every age group, every gender, every area, every career, every branch of the military, etc. It's time for it to be taken seriously.
From the article linked above:
“We really need to pay attention to those individuals. Pay attention to what mental health in America looks like and I think this is just one more incident that brings out to the forefront of where it is where we are talking about those types of things,” said Kevin McMahill, the Sheriff of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

Arritt told 11 News she agrees, “The VA has gotten so much better about caring for these veterans, but active duty, they don’t treat them. They just keep them in the war until they’re used up and then the VA takes care of them after they’re out.”

 

[nhmemorymaker]

From Google:
Kingman is a city along Route 66, in northwestern Arizona. The historic road's role in American history is celebrated at the Route 66 Museum, set inside the Powerhouse Visitors Center. Murals, dioramas and a library at the Mohave Museum of History and Arts trace local history. Locomotive Park, featuring a 1928 steam engine, and the Kingman Railroad Museum document the city's past as a 20th-century railway hub. ― Google
Population: 35,334 (2023)

We've stopped there for gas years ago.

I just hope we get some surveillance footage. I am sure LE is collecting it as much and as fast as they can......I am just particularly interested in Kingman to.

The problem is, a lot of money/training went into ML. He likely has high IQ. But if he failed a course, could that be a reason to be referred to a neurologist?

One thing is, he probably couldn't continue as ops if he failed a course. But, there are lots of jobs, people may be treated and continue, not as ops but in some other capacity.

And he had one year to retirement...
However, I feel that other civilian job didn't work out for him... he reenlisted.
Going out into those big military contracting companies....... people make BIG BIG bucks, but he went back in to military. Maybe he was getting frightened of how he was going to do as a civilian the second time.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

One thing, he even apologized to those who might have been harmed as the result of his work. He had empathy. I doubt that he would do it to his child or the child’s mother.

I think he was more chronically suicidal than we think, and for a longer time. His job had definite risks, I assume. So he could “passively” hope that something would happen in the line of his duty. And since nothing did, he took matters into his own hands.

I think that his quarrel with wife could have been a trigger, but not the cause for his suicide.

Totally agree with your last sentence.... and the others!
But I do hope we learn if there was any signs of pre-planning prior to coming back to Colorado for Christmas.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Our country has a mental health crisis. It's in every age group, every gender, every area, every career, every branch of the military, etc. It's time for it to be taken seriously.
From the article linked above:
“We really need to pay attention to those individuals. Pay attention to what mental health in America looks like and I think this is just one more incident that brings out to the forefront of where it is where we are talking about those types of things,” said Kevin McMahill, the Sheriff of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

Arritt told 11 News she agrees, “The VA has gotten so much better about caring for these veterans, but active duty, they don’t treat them. They just keep them in the war until they’re used up and then the VA takes care of them after they’re out.”

Just the hugest issues right?
Mental Health Crisis across the board. So many of my friends keep discussing this and what CAN be done. There are so so many services available today. Just think of what it must have been like in the 50s or 60s?????

Is it that there is NOT really enough?
Or we can't get that horse to come to water?
Or its too expensive for a huge population that need it?
Or so many $$$ resources are having to be funneled into drugs and addiction?

And how do we MAKE people know more about what can be helpful when they are very very young? Force parents to accept "health care training" in kids curriculums?
Then are we trampling on human rights?

And second issue, the VA. Don't even get me started.........


moo ooo moo ooo moo

 

[Tiff23fr]

Someone asked a few days ago about what the metal items looked like that were removed from the Tesla. (Specifically, the items placed on the blue tarp)
I could be very incorrect, but this morning when I saw pictures of the pipe bombs from 2021, the pipe itself made me think of the items in question from the Tesla explosion. Photos in articles linked below.

Soldier shot self in head before Cybertruck exploded outside Trump's Las Vegas hotel, officials say

Authorities say the highly decorated soldier inside a Tesla Cybertruck packed with fireworks that exploded outside Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas shot himself in the head just before detonation.

www.wfmz.com

3 years later, Jan. 6 pipe bomber mystery still unsolved

Three years after Jan. 6, 2021, federal law enforcement leaders are still looking for the person who placed two pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Friday Fan]

Someone asked a few days ago about what the metal items looked like that were removed from the Tesla. (Specifically, the items placed on the blue tarp)
I could be very incorrect, but this morning when I saw pictures of the pipe bombs from 2021, the pipe itself made me think of the items in question from the Tesla explosion. Photos in articles linked below.

Soldier shot self in head before Cybertruck exploded outside Trump's Las Vegas hotel, officials say

Authorities say the highly decorated soldier inside a Tesla Cybertruck packed with fireworks that exploded outside Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas shot himself in the head just before detonation.

www.wfmz.com

3 years later, Jan. 6 pipe bomber mystery still unsolved

Three years after Jan. 6, 2021, federal law enforcement leaders are still looking for the person who placed two pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC.

abcnews.go.com

Yeah, I was wondering too.

But how did he assemble all of them??? Law enforcement said everything looked like it was retail purchased.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Someone asked a few days ago about what the metal items looked like that were removed from the Tesla. (Specifically, the items placed on the blue tarp)
I could be very incorrect, but this morning when I saw pictures of the pipe bombs from 2021, the pipe itself made me think of the items in question from the Tesla explosion. Photos in articles linked below.

Soldier shot self in head before Cybertruck exploded outside Trump's Las Vegas hotel, officials say

Authorities say the highly decorated soldier inside a Tesla Cybertruck packed with fireworks that exploded outside Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas shot himself in the head just before detonation.

www.wfmz.com

3 years later, Jan. 6 pipe bomber mystery still unsolved

Three years after Jan. 6, 2021, federal law enforcement leaders are still looking for the person who placed two pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC.

abcnews.go.com

I have some questions from the article.

I feel they are being pretty simplified in their proof of identity.
I know i had read somewhere, that it was a tattoo identified on the one arm that was not totally charred.... but here's my question.

Does the military collect DNA from all members? It would make sense that the do, given the work and actions of the military.

Why aren't we hearing that data? This article states nothing of proof of identity.
DNA proof would help, <modsnip - rumor>

moo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yeah, I was wondering too.

But how did he assemble all of them??? Law enforcement said everything looked like it was retail purchased.

I keep wondering if this is why he had such a roundabout trip.... to really spread out all his material purchases those last few days, over a very wide geography. Clearly, LE would pick up the electric stations...but all his retail stops could have taken more time. And retailers would not raise any alarms of the purchases, if they were smaller, just building up in is vehicle...

THIS is why I want to know more about that last stop in Kingsman Arizona....

 

[Tiff23fr]

If accurate, this does not match the place of birth on the Passport which states Arizona.

“……2 months, according to the U.S. Army. He was 37 years old. He was born in Ohio but had lived in Colorado Springs on and off for more than a decade. We found properties he owned and rented out. He'd been married but was…”

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/03/nx-s1-5247660/what-we-know-about-matthew-livelsberger-the-driver-of-the-cybertruck-that-exploded#:~:text=He%20was%20born%20in%20Ohio,for%20more%20than%20a%20decade.

 

[DS2021]

If he wanted mass casualties, he could've achieved that. I think he was being honest when he said that he did this to draw attention to his message. I honestly wish they wouldn't have shared any of his writings. By giving him the attention he wanted, they are encouraging others to follow suit

 

[DS2021]

No name should've been released by the media. We need to stop making these people infamous.

The infamy given to the columbine kids is causing ripple effects to this very day.

We have kids who weren't even born when columbine happened, becoming inspired by the two of them.
If there names would've never been released, i think that would've made a large difference

“Don’t name them” – Criminologist asks journalists to help stop mass shootings

Criminologist Adam Lankford has found that mass shooters and suicide bombers are looking for fame. In an interview with JR, he asks journalists not to honor them, not to publish their names and pictures.

journalistsresource.org

Mass Shootings: The Role of the Media in Promoting Generalized Imitation - PMC

Mass shootings are a particular problem in the United States, with one mass shooting occurring approximately every 12.5 days. Recently a “contagion” effect has been suggested wherein the occurrence of one mass shooting increases the likelihood of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Liveslberger had made three visits for mental health treatment from August to December, according to the official who had been briefed on the matter but was not authorized to speak publicly. It’s not clear if he had been deemed a risk for suicide or violence. He was 37.

Green Beret in Las Vegas Cybertruck explosion had been receiving mental health treatment

Master Sgt. Matthew Livelsberger, a highly decorated Special Forces soldier, had three recent visits for mental health treatment.

www.usatoday.com

She said the military failed to get Livelsberger the care he needed, symptoms she saw in him as early as 2018.

<modsnip - copyright>

Soldier who died by suicide in Las Vegas told ex-girlfriend of pain and exhaustion after Afghanistan

Matthew Livelsberger, 37, was a five-time Bronze Star recipient, including one with a V device for valor under fire.

www.citizensvoice.com

*I keep pondering about use of prescribed medication for depression or anxiety for his PTSD. The first article states he went in 2024 but he had shown signs since 2018 per his girlfriend. Did he receive no therapy until August 2024? Six years is a long time to fight the negativity going on in the brain. Medication for mental illness is usually beneficial especially when combined with psychotherapy. The downside is medicines' side effects. Suicidal ideation can sometimes occur.

 

[Warwick1991]

I just hope we get some surveillance footage. I am sure LE is collecting it as much and as fast as they can......I am just particularly interested in Kingman to.


And he had one year to retirement...
However, I feel that other civilian job didn't work out for him... he reenlisted.
Going out into those big military contracting companies....... people make BIG BIG bucks, but he went back in to military. Maybe he was getting frightened of how he was going to do as a civilian the second time.

His passport states he was born in Arizona. Perhaps he was visiting a place associated with his childhood before he committed suicide.

 

[Arkay]

I still am unsure how his phone survived that explosion. Although burnt up it was intact enough for his messages to be extracted. Unless it was through the Cloud?

IMO it’s just a very tragic case of a man who served his country, in an elite unit, and eventually couldn’t handle what that entailed.

I believe he, as a fan of Trump and Musk, wanted to ensure they’d know his name and that’s why he chose to dramatically kill himself using an iconic Trump/Musk location and vehicle.

I know people were injured but I don’t believe he was a classic terrorist.
McVeigh murdered others intentionally so I don’t see them as equivalent.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

The Friday LVMPD press conference mentions phone app notes from the suspect that seem to reveal planning this act, going back at least weeks. He was making a political statement of some kind.

My question: which happened first - the start of planning for the explosions or the wife asking for a divorce?

If it was the divorce talk, then I wonder - is the spouse financially liable for the !$100k Cybertruck bill? If so, it could have one been part of his plan - to turn the tables on her. Instead of him paying alimony/child support (she was expecting their first child, correct?) - she's now saddled with a large debt and he's not paying anything (but his life, bitter and tragic as it is.)

I hope there is life insurance she can collect, anyway.

We don't know the financial status of ML's wife, but she and her baby may need financial help and I think that someone may help raise money for them. I think they will get lots of support as ML was highly regarded by his fellow soldiers and friends - and also many in the public who are saddened by the tragedy of his PTSD and suicide but honor his service to our country over the many years he faced active duty abroad and they will likely want to provide what support they can.

Hopefully the owner of the Tesla Cybertruck had insurance, and maybe Elon will get involved. I did hear on the news that Elon wants to get access to the vehicle when LE are finished with their investigation as he wants to refurbish the Cybertruck and get it back on the road. So presumably he would have to "buy" it from the owner, which would help out the owner to cover the financial loss on top of his or her insurance. JMO.

 

[Sundog]

His passport states he was born in Arizona. Perhaps he was visiting a place associated with his childhood before he committed suicide.

IIRC, in his texts to his former girlfriend, AA, he did bring up an early childhood memory while en route. I agree, I think he knew the area well, even though the charging stations dictated much of the route he travelled. Perhaps that's another reason he picked Las Vegas - both its familiar location and proximity to his past and current living situation and also location of a cleary marked President-Elect Trump property. And, of course, he could make it there by New Year's eve/day.

It checked all the boxes.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I still am unsure how his phone survived that explosion. Although burnt up it was intact enough for his messages to be extracted. Unless it was through the Cloud?

IMO it’s just a very tragic case of a man who served his country, in an elite unit, and eventually couldn’t handle what that entailed.

I believe he, as a fan of Trump and Musk, wanted to ensure they’d know his name and that’s why he chose to dramatically kill himself using an iconic Trump/Musk location and vehicle.

I know people were injured but I don’t believe he was a classic terrorist.
McVeigh murdered others intentionally so I don’t see them as equivalent.

JMO

I read that the resulting explosion in the tesla would be contained like an implosion and "up". I am sure ML knew this, so he put those important things like his guns and documents down on the ground at his feet.