NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

[SeriouslySearching]

I may have missed this information but do we know if the car was stolen? I know they tracked down the owner, but if it was stolen, did he know when and where it went missing? Because maybe that is a lead in of it's self. Did he ever see the composite drawing of the UID person? Maybe he would remember something from the photo or the T shirt. I know the car was found before the body, but did they go back? I am assuming they did.

I wish they would give us additional info on the car. It may not have a thing to do with this case, but I hope it does. If not, this tiny piece of t-shirt, his bones, teeth, and DNA are about all they have to go on to find his identity. Poor red headed stranger. *hearing Willie Nelson sing softly*

 

[mmarty]

...my partner and I know you all want more info, so do we. Unfortunately, we can't give out any more info than what we have already. We are working really hard at running down leads, submitting DNA, checking dentals, so on and so on. Our focus right now is checking similar's in NAMUS against our guy and getting his identity, hoping that t-shirt would help us. IF we can identify our victim that would be a success in my book.

So far, the vehicle that was found months prior, didn't give us anything that could provide our victims identity.

 

[Soulmagent]

Carbuff,

Your light drawing is good. The face you traced looks a lot like the horned Owls They have fur looking feathers around the beaks and a weird "horn 'over each the eyes ,the pattern on the victims shirt that I saw someone refer to as a possible wolf face looks like the markings on the horned owls head. Which can look like a different animal ,even on the owl. If that makes any sense. It could be a falcon it is so hard to say with such a small piece but you did a good job on that ,thank you!

 

[Miss Muffet]

This might sound stupid, but I'm adding this guy because his middle name is Falconer and he was last seen at Eagle creek. He was last seen a couple months after our guy was found, but everything else matches up.

Wayne Falconer Wikel
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13932/3?current_page=case_information
Last Seen: near Hood River, OR
Date Last Seen: June 14, 1992
Age Last Seen: 48
Gender: Male
Race: White
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Hazel
Height: 72
Weight: 155
Circumstance: Wayne Wikel failed to return from a camping trip in the Eagle Creek area off of trail #401. He was an experienced hiker/outdoorsman/fisherman

 

[Miss Muffet]

This guy is from Oklahoma.

Randall Dewayne Lee
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5205/6?current_page=circumstances
Last Seen: Tyrone, Oklahoma
Date Last Seen: August 17, 1985
Age Last Seen: 36
Gender: Male
Race: White
Hair: Light Brown
Eyes: Hazel
Height: 72
Weight: 180
Circumstances: None

ETA, I found circumstances in transportation:

Vehicle make: Chevrolet
Vehicle model: Unknown
Year: 1977
Style: Pickup
Vehicle color: Gray and Blue
Tag type Passenger automobile (regular plates)
Tag number: 851-1203
Tag state: Oklahoma
Expiration year: 1986

Vehicle comments: Originally, the vehicle was reported was a blue and primer 1977 Chevy pickup with Oklahoma plates. The Oklahoma Tax Commission only has record of Lee owning the vehicle listed above. Lee's brother also saw him in this vehcile in Perryton, TX, days before his disappearance, enroute to the Texas/Mexico border. Family members have since reported that the vehicle was sold prior to Randall Lee's disappearance. Lee would may have also been driving a copper-colored, 1975-1978 Chevy Scottsdale pickup. Tags and VIN are unkown at this time.

This is weird. I have a strange feeling this is our guy.

ETA again: There's dental and DNA.

And for anyone who is superstitious, this came up in a search I did by putting "eagle" in the circumstances search box. Below are links to the search parameters I used and the results of 7 names. And I can't find anything about eagle in his information. It's like he came up in this search out of nowhere.

Search Parameters: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/searches/revise

Search Results: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/search
.

 

[fred&edna]

"Thomas Stephen Blake"

Last Seen: August 1987 (Big Spring, TX)
Hair Color: Strawberry Blonde (appears quite dark in photo)
Age: 30-31
Height: over 6' (75-78")

Sadly, it seems there is are no dental records nor DNA on file


https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10019/2


http://www.nampn.org/cases/blake_thomas.html


His sister shares additional info (possibly running drugs) on the WS thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?183253-Tx-Thomas-Stephen-Blake-30-1-Aug-1987

 

[carbuff]

I found a photo that shows the pose I've been trying to describe. It's by a photographer in the Tetons named Mike Jackson (and O/T, if you want to see some beautiful beautiful photography, look through the rest of his blog. Oh my.) It shows a great gray owl, which is clearly not the same bird as on our t-shirt, but it's in the exact pose I'm seeing with our bird. Our bird has longer wings and a horizontally striped belly, I think. These aren't stock photos, so please respect his property.

http://www.bestofthetetons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/WebOwlLanding_Oct20.jpg

 

[wenwe4]

Submissions:

Tuomi, Steven W unk height blonde (looks very red) age 29ish #96 - unknown if dentals or dna available
not listed on namus
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/629dmwi.html

This person is believed to be a victim of Dahmer - remains never found/confirmed
(completes Wisconsin)

Taylor, Patrick K 5’6 – 6’1” brown-blonde age 32ish (no dental) dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5357/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/489dmil.html

(completes doenetwork Illinois)

Livingston, Allen L 6’2 brown age 27is (rept missing after date) #98 no dental or dna
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10655/1/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/523dmin.html

(concludes Indiana on Doenetwork)

Richard E D Hitchcock 6'1 red/bushy age 21 #99 dental & dna avail

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1828/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4039dmmi.html

(this concludes Michigan doenetwork)

 

[Miss Muffet]

I found a photo that shows the pose I've been trying to describe. It's by a photographer in the Tetons named Mike Jackson (and O/T, if you want to see some beautiful beautiful photography, look through the rest of his blog. Oh my.) It shows a great gray owl, which is clearly not the same bird as on our t-shirt, but it's in the exact pose I'm seeing with our bird. Our bird has longer wings and a horizontally striped belly, I think. These aren't stock photos, so please respect his property.

http://www.bestofthetetons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/WebOwlLanding_Oct20.jpg

How do you envision its head turned upside down far towards its tail while in that stance? I've looked through way too many bird photos today, and I don't see how it's physically possible with the tail remaining within view. As soon as the bird bends its head forward, it's tail raises upwards and back. Or have you concluded it's not a head in it's abdomen area?

My trip to the National Aviary was postponed today. I plan to go Monday. I was originally just seeking out a professional's opinion on the type of bird. I can also show the lightbox photos and try to get an opinion on the pose.

 

[klily444]

Is it possible his teeth were knocked out prior to his body being transported to the presumed dump location, or are you of the belief that the teeth were missing for some time?

 

[lcsodetectives]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/526/0/

Adam Breaux is ruled out. Adam was missing teeth which were present in John Doe.

 

[carbuff]

How do you envision its head turned upside down far towards its tail while in that stance? I've looked through way too many bird photos today, and I don't see how it's physically possible with the tail remaining within view. As soon as the bird bends its head forward, it's tail raises upwards and back. Or have you concluded it's not a head in it's abdomen area?

My trip to the National Aviary was postponed today. I plan to go Monday. I was originally just seeking out a professional's opinion on the type of bird. I can also show the lightbox photos and try to get an opinion on the pose.

I'm not sure why you think the head is turned upside down.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Look at this.

We need to find the hawk one. It's a long shot. It's probably not flying.

I was reading about the Peregrine Falcon and realized it also goes by the name Great-Footed Hawk. It' in the Audobon collection by that second name--but not flying.

Here are Audobon's bird prints, if anyone's interested in studying them: http://www.audubon.org/birds-of-america

I believe the t-shirt is a screen-printed one, most likely resembling ones from national parks. Keeping on googling...

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

On a side note, I've heard dead bodies are considerably more difficult to move than a 'live' one of the same weight. The weight of our John Doe is unknown, but as he is in the 6-6'3" range, I'd be surprised if he was moved after death by just one person.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I found a photo that shows the pose I've been trying to describe. It's by a photographer in the Tetons named Mike Jackson (and O/T, if you want to see some beautiful beautiful photography, look through the rest of his blog. Oh my.) It shows a great gray owl, which is clearly not the same bird as on our t-shirt, but it's in the exact pose I'm seeing with our bird. Our bird has longer wings and a horizontally striped belly, I think. These aren't stock photos, so please respect his property.

http://www.bestofthetetons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/WebOwlLanding_Oct20.jpg

Beautiful picture. And this is why I'm thinking it's likely not an owl...the bird on the t-shirt seems to have longer, more perpendicular wings than an owl does. The owl in flight has more of a heart-shaped silhouette.

 

[wenwe4]

Folks, we have 102 possible matches submitted currently. Of those 9 have been ruled out (so far), 2 are not being considered at this time, and one confirmed dna requested.

Excellent work continues on the t shirt and other aspects of this case. Good work everyone! See ya tomorrow.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I found a photo that shows the pose I've been trying to describe. It's by a photographer in the Tetons named Mike Jackson (and O/T, if you want to see some beautiful beautiful photography, look through the rest of his blog. Oh my.) It shows a great gray owl, which is clearly not the same bird as on our t-shirt, but it's in the exact pose I'm seeing with our bird. Our bird has longer wings and a horizontally striped belly, I think. These aren't stock photos, so please respect his property.

http://www.bestofthetetons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/WebOwlLanding_Oct20.jpg

Look at the flair of the wings. The bird looks excited and ready to grab something. The talons are exposed and would be a larger part of the picture due to the location and angle of the bird. I don't see flair or extended talons on the t-shirt pic. I only see a bird gliding along peacefully without a care in the world. Soaring wings maintain a more solid shape without flapping and flair.

I must say after seeing all the various photos and sketches of birds the past 24 hours or so...it has come to my attention those talons could do some very serious damage. Ack! I do love birds, but they can be a bit frightening at the same time.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Folks, we have 102 possible matches submitted currently. Of those 9 have been ruled out (so far), 2 are not being considered at this time, and one confirmed dna requested.

Excellent work continues on the t shirt and other aspects of this case. Good work everyone! See ya tomorrow.

Thanks for keeping up with the stats, Wenwe4! It is nice to know those are not getting lost in the shuffle here. Great job.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I was reading about the Peregrine Falcon and realized it also goes by the name Great-Footed Hawk. It' in the Audobon collection by that second name--but not flying.

Here are Audobon's bird prints, if anyone's interested in studying them: http://www.audubon.org/birds-of-america

I believe the t-shirt is a screen-printed one, most likely resembling ones from national parks. Keeping on googling...

They could have replicated one of these Audubon designs when they make the screen. There might be one that is flying. I'm heading to the Half Price Bookstore to look at the bird book section. Since they sell used books, I might find one from that time period for the graphics of the decade in the bird world.

 

[lcsodetectives]

Is it possible his teeth were knocked out prior to his body being transported to the presumed dump location, or are you of the belief that the teeth were missing for some time?

We know our John Doe was missing teeth in life due to the healed sockets.

On a side note, I've heard dead bodies are considerably more difficult to move than a 'live' one of the same weight.

Having performed coroner duties, I can tell you that dead bodies are indeed very difficult to move around on your own.