NY – Ex POTUS Donald Trump, sued by E. Jean Carroll, DT found liable re sexual assault, $5M award, countersuit dismissed, appeal rejected, 2023

[JennieM]

May not hear from any jurors.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656021689426223127

That's good advice!

 

[SouthAussie]

RSBM

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHO THIS WOMAN IS. THIS VERDICT IS A DISGRACE – A CONTINUATION OF THE GREATEST WITCH HUNT OF ALL TIME!

Maybe if he had showed up at the trial, he might have learned "who" E Jean Carroll is.

A brave woman who decided to very publicly reveal "who" Donald Trump is.

 

[JennieM]

E Jean Carroll: seesawing emotions before jury says it believes her​

Jury believed the advice columnist when she described how ex-president went from charming to a ‘monster’ in an instant

[...]

The judge, Lewis Kaplan, gave the jurors several options in reaching a verdict. He said that in order to establish that Trump raped her, Carroll must prove he engaged in sexual intercourse involving any penetration, however slight, of the penis into the vaginal opening. It must also have been the result of “forcible compulsion”.

The jurors could not unanimously agree that Trump had indeed forced his penis into Carroll’s vagina, given that she described it as relatively fleeting. But, given that the verdict came back in less than three hours, it appears they had little trouble agreeing the second option on the form, of sexual abuse.

The judge said that finding required that Carroll prove Trump subjected her to sexual contact without consent by use of force, and that it was for the purpose of sexual gratification.

[...]

“I’m here because Donald Trump raped me and when I wrote about it, he said it didn’t happen,” she said. “He lied and shattered my reputation. I’m here to try and get my life back.”

On Tuesday, the jury granted her wish.


E Jean Carroll leaving the Manhattan courthouse after a jury found Trump liable for sexual assault and defamation, on Tuesday. Photograph: Derek French/Shutterstock

E Jean Carroll: seesawing emotions before jury says it believes her

Verdict means jury believed the advice columnist when she described how ex-president went from charming to a ‘monster’ in an instant

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

'The world finally knows the truth' - Carroll

E Jean Carroll has thanked her legal team and hailed the verdict as a "victory".

“I filed this lawsuit against Donald Trump to clear my name and to get my life back. Today, the world finally knows the truth," Carroll said.

"This victory is not just for me but for every woman who has suffered because she was not believed."

Her lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, said that she is "thrilled" with today's outcome.

"E Jean Carroll has never wavered in her strength, courage, and determination to seek justice. Donald Trump, on the other hand, failed to even show up in court," Kaplan said.

"This is a victory not only for E Jean Carroll, but for democracy itself, and for all survivors everywhere.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65502076

 

[SouthAussie]

Witches have been getting a really bad rep lately.

Personally, I am thanking those witches for what they are publicly revealing.

 

[JennieM]

It all came down to who the jury believed more​

Nada Tawfik
Reporting from court

The standard of proof is lower in this civil case than what is required in a criminal trial.

Jurors simply needed to be convinced that it was more likely than not that Trump assaulted her, so ultimately it came down to who they believed more.

In concluding arguments, Carroll's attorneys convincingly explained why Carroll was trustworthy.

They cast Trump as a liar who could not be bothered to show up to the trial, while they noted 11 witnesses came to bolster Carroll’s story.

For the jury to find Trump had not raped Carroll, “you would have to conclude that Donald Trump, the non-stop liar, is the only person here telling the truth”, Carroll’s attorney Roberta Kaplan told the court at one point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65502076

 

[JennieM]

Republicans react to jury verdict

We're now getting some reaction from Republicans on the verdict.

Senator John Thune from South Dakota said the outcome of the trial has a "cumulative effect" on how Trump is viewed within Republican circles as a candidate.

"People are gonna have to decide whether they want to deal with all the drama," Thune told CBS News.

Senator John Cornyn from Texas said that he doesn't believe Trump can get elected as the next US president in 2024.

"You can't win a general election with just your base," he said.

Meanwhile, the New York Times reported that Asa Hutchinson, the former governor of Arkansas and one of Trump's rivals in the Republican primary ahead of the 2024 election, said that the jury verdict should be treated with seriousness.

"It is another example of the indefensible behaviour of Donald Trump," Hutchinson said.


The political fallout

A jury of nine New Yorkers has concluded that it is more likely than not that Donald Trump sexually abused a woman in the 1990s.

While that may not make a dent in Trump’s base within the Republican Party, where his supporters view the US legal system with scepticism and have stood by him through all manners of adversity, it is a ruling that could sting if he wins the Republican nomination in 2024.

In the 2020 presidential election – as well as the 2018 and 2022 congressional midterms – many suburban voters, particularly women, recoiled from Trump’s brand of brash politics.

A finding that Trump sexually abused and defamed E Jean Carroll – as well as his belligerent performance during a taped deposition for the case – can only push those kinds of voters farther away from him.

Perhaps that will take a political toll on the former president’s re-election chances. At the very least, it is another historic first for a former president who already has one criminal indictment and possibly others to come.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65502076

 

[musicaljoke]

All of Australia is waking up this morning to hear that DT is (officially) a sexually abusing defamer!

So happy for E Jean Carroll.

"Today, the world finally knows the truth," Carroll said in a statement. "This victory is not just for me but for every woman who has suffered because she was not believed."

Trump sexually abused writer E. Jean Carroll, must pay her $5 million, jury says

Yes, indeed, may E Jean Carroll's courage be an inspiration for every woman who has suffered in silence, and those who suffered when they spoke out.

 

[musicaljoke]

CBC Canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/civil-trial-trump-carroll-verdict-1.6836967

WARNING: This article contains graphic content and may affect those who have experienced sexual violence or know someone affected by it.

Donald Trump sexually abused magazine writer E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s and then defamed her by branding her a liar, jurors decided on Tuesday, awarding her $5 million US in damages.

The former U.S. president, campaigning to retake the White House in 2024, will appeal, said his spokesperson Steven Cheung. Trump will not have to pay the damages so long as the case is on appeal.

...

 

[Muddy K]

Here's an interesting and straightforward Op-Ed from The Daily Beast, written by a lawyer, explaining what comes next as Trump tries to fight the truth by appealing the verdict.

E. Jean Carroll’s Lawyers Leveled a Knockout Blow on Trump

 

[musicaljoke]

BBC headlines

The political fallout from Trump's sexual abuse verdict

Top Republicans warn Trump's 2024 chances are damaged even if his supporters dismiss the ruling.

www.bbc.com

Central to Ms Carroll's lawsuit was the former president's deposition testimony, in which he seemed both demeaning and defensive. He explained away his infamous Access Hollywood tape boasts about grabbing women by their genitals as reflecting a historical truth about the power of celebrities - "unfortunately or fortunately".
Fortunately?
He said that both Ms Carroll and another woman who testified that Mr Trump sexually assaulted her were not his type - a description he also applied, voluntarily, to the female attorney conducting the deposition itself.
For a jury weighing whether Mr Trump was the kind of person capable of sexual assault - or, at least, whether he was more credible than his accuser - it was exactly the wrong attitude to present.

 

[no nonsense]

Agreed. Great day for women who have not been believed. Anyone have info on the makeup of the jury?

 

[SouthAussie]

Former magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll was holding attorney Shawn Crowley's hand as the verdict was read in the Manhattan federal court ... the writer "had a sense of relief," appeared to rock forward and that a smile came across her face.

E. Jean Carroll smiled as verdict was read in courtroom

 

[musicaljoke]

Here's an interesting and straightforward Op-Ed from The Daily Beast, written by a lawyer, explaining what comes next as Trump tries to fight the truth by appealing the verdict.

E. Jean Carroll’s Lawyers Leveled a Knockout Blow on Trump

It looks to me as though the best next steps for Carroll are if T launches an appeal. At least she would know that the settlement money has been paid to the court. She has a better chance of receiving the funds through the court than directly from T.

From the link ..

If Trump files an appeal, that would not stay the $5 million verdict against him, which Carroll can attempt to collect beginning 14 days from now. Rather, in order to obtain relief from having to pay Carroll while he appealed, Trump would have to file an appeal bond (called a “supersedeas bond”) for $5 million (plus interest at 9 percent) with the Court.

If the Court approves the bond, Carroll would not be able to collect from Trump until all appeals were exhausted. If Trump were to lose all appeals, the bond would be paid over to Carroll.

 

[no nonsense]

Having trouble editing— apologies- wanted to add, I thought they said on CNN that a few were MAGA supporters and one had to leave their maga hat in their car. Any confirmation anywhere? Some are trying to claim he was found liable “because its NYC and he couldn't get a fair trial” . Would like to have info on the jurors, if possible. Understand they wisely have been protected thus far.

 

[SouthAussie]

Agreed. Great day for women who have not been believed. Anyone have info on the makeup of the jury?

6 men and 3 women. I am very glad that, in 2023, they all could understand what sexual abuse looks like.
That is all that really matters, isn't it? A sexual abuser has been called to account (not that he showed up).

Had Trump sexually abused the advice columnist?
The jurors unanimously said: Yes.

E Jean Carroll: seesawing emotions before jury says it believes her

 

[NuttMegg]

i

Agreed. Great day for women who have not been believed. Anyone have info on the makeup of the jury?

6 men 3 women

 

[no nonsense]

i
6 men 3 women

Thanks. Any info about their political leanings?

 

[NuttMegg]

Thanks. Any info about their political leanings?

I haven't seen anything, but I haven't really dug into it.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Agreed. Great day for women who have not been believed. Anyone have info on the makeup of the jury?

Here’s what we do know about the nine jurors:

• A 37-year-old man who works for New York Public Library, has a bachelors degree in accounting and a masters in library sciences. He’s married with one child.
• A 65-year-old physical therapist who lives in the Bronx with his wife and four children. He says he gets his news from CNN.
• A 26-year-old man who was born and raised in Manhattan, dropped out of college to work and now does security for a retail company. He says he gets his news from social media.
• A 46-year-old Bronx native with a high school education who doesn’t watch news and works as a janitor and as a sales associate in clothing retail store.
• A 31-year-old man from the Bronx who works in security and told the judge he has no children “that I know of.” He said he avoids news but listens to podcasts occasionally.
• A 55-year-old woman from Westchester County who works as a collections coordinator for a health-care facility. She lives with her significant other and has a son.
• A 60-year-old Rockland County man who is married with two kids and works for a hospital in Manhattan. He said he doesn’t watch any particular news channel.
• A 62-year-old woman who works in a high school and whose husband works in a factory. She said she gets her news from CNN.
• A 66-year-old woman who is retired from the health care industry. She lives in the Bronx with her retired husband and says she watches local TV news.

The Anonymous Jury That Will Decide Trump’s Fate in His Rape Lawsuit

The jury that will decide whether former President Donald Trump sexually assaulted advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s is made up of six men and three women whose jobs range from physical therapist to librarian.

www.bloomberg.com