NY NY - Alice Parsons: Heiress, Long Island, 1937

[fred&edna]

From what I've been able to find Col. Timothy S Williams (Alice's maternal uncle) died in 1930. Several years before Alice disappeared. Perhaps portions of her inheritance were depended on her reaching a certain age or properties being sold, etc...?

I was under the impression that upon Col. Williams' death his assets were bequeathed to his wife and when she died the assets were then distributed to Alice and any other heirs. (Just my assumption based on other info previously posted... I could be wrong).

http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper4...y News 1942 Jul-May 1944 Grayscale - 0035.pdf

 

[Pink Panther]

Those aren't Anna and Roy, unfortunately. This photo was taken of Alice while she was waiting in line while shopping. The original photo includes a number of customers, they just clipped it to focus on Alice.

I always find Anna's comments interesting with regards to her past. She wasn't wedded to the truth by any means!

I understand that the photo was taken of Alice while she was shopping but do you know for sure that the others pictured aren't Anna and Roy? The lady behind her could very well be Anna and the boy in front of her...who knows? I've only seen one other picture of Roy and his head was down...

ETA - No reason for it to be impossible is there? By all accounts, they lived together and were close? They could have gone shopping together?

 

[Pink Panther]

I was under the impression that upon Col. Williams' death his assets were bequeathed to his wife and when she died the assets were then distributed to Alice and any other heirs. (Just my assumption based on other info previously posted... I could be wrong).

http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper4...y News 1942 Jul-May 1944 Grayscale - 0035.pdf

Thanks so much for finding and posting this link. I had not seen it before. I believe that Bess was Timothy's sister.

: )

If you have access to ancestry, you can see a picture of the whole clan here:

Herbert H Williams, Chauncy G Williams, Bess M Williams, Timothy S Williams, and Alice F Williams (Alice Parson's mother) - all siblings.

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/1620...60a0b9-7f3c-4b22-a952-3e940ea154c6?src=search

 

[Marilynilpa]

I understand that the photo was taken of Alice while she was shopping but do you know for sure that the others pictured aren't Anna and Roy? The lady behind her could very well be Anna and the boy in front of her...who knows? I've only seen one other picture of Roy and his head was down...

ETA - No reason for it to be impossible is there? By all accounts, they lived together and were close? They could have gone shopping together?

Roy was a tall, slender boy with dark brown hair. The boy in the photo looks plumper and had lighter hair, or at least in the photo it appears lighter. I don't believe it's Roy, but I couldn't swear to it.

I suppose the photo of the woman behind her might be Anna, I can see a possible resemblance. However, I figure if there had been a recent picture of the two women together, the press would have been all over it and the caption would have stated that both Alice and Anna were in the photo. JMO

It's certainly possible that the three of them went shopping together because, as you said, they lived together and were close. The quality of the photo makes it hard to completely rule out that it's of the three of them.

 

[zwiebel]

This possibly links back to my post earlier
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY NY - Alice Parsons: Heiress, Long Island, 1937

Not Sanler (but a british/indian economist)

This is interesting, thanks for reminding me. IMO, Anna did have some connection with an economist with a name beginning with s - she's just doing that classic liar's thing of mixing a little bit of truth with a lot of fabrication.

Completely and utterly o/t: LSE is the university Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones attended.

 

[Pink Panther]

Oooh. I bumped into a couple of interesting articles that I hadn't seen.

This one makes mention of a Lawrence F Deutzman claiming to be an "old family friend" suggesting that she may have left on her own accord. The same article makes mention of a search that was carried out in Chilmark, Mass in response to a tip that was communicated "The Parsons woman, kidnaped in New York can be found at the Robinson camp at Menemshaw."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...TdPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZSEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4533,1885026

This second article, gives similar information but with less detail:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...7sqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hFkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5485,5669443

A little bit more about the tipster who called from a fish market and drove away in car with New Jersey plates:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...J1aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=W04DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4027,1906235

(On page two of the same link above, there is also mention of possible searches from a boat in Port Jefferson.)

More detail about the tipsters car and the police search for him:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...qo1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=z2kFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3169,6787538

 

[Marilynilpa]

Oooh. I bumped into a couple of interesting articles that I hadn't seen.

This one makes mention of a Lawrence F Deutzman claiming to be an "old family friend" suggesting that she may have left on her own accord. The same article makes mention of a search that was carried out in Chilmark, Mass in response to a tip that was communicated "The Parsons woman, kidnaped in New York can be found at the Robinson camp at Menemshaw."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...TdPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZSEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4533,1885026

This second article, gives similar information but with less detail:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...7sqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hFkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5485,5669443

You are the greatest! I have never seen that article, so it's of great interest to me.:great:

Keep 'em coming!

 

[Pink Panther]

Marilyn - I added some other links to my post above.

Also, here is a CV for Lawrence F Deutzman. Quite the character!:

http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper4... Long Lslander 1933-1935 Grayscale - 0266.pdf

 

[Pink Panther]

PICTURES OF ALICE!

https://plus.google.com/photos/104082575484124684880/albums/5232642411975619409?banner=pwa

Look at the picture on the bottom left. If you click the pic, it says it's of her and Howard with a question mark for the woman in between. Could that be a picture of Anna???

What a lovely album! It's so nice to be able to see Alice and her family!

 

[Pink Panther]

This article (September 1937) states that William received three letters from a man and a woman that convince him that his wife is dead. William also states his intention to sell the property and to move away.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...7EhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=85sFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4242,4430105

 

[fred&edna]

PICTURES OF ALICE!

https://plus.google.com/photos/104082575484124684880/albums/5232642411975619409?banner=pwa

Look at the picture on the bottom left. If you click the pic, it says it's of her and Howard with a question mark for the woman in between. Could that be a picture of Anna???

What a lovely album! It's so nice to be able to see Alice and her family!

These photos feed the Alice Parsons mystery movie playing in my head. I love them

 

[zwiebel]

Oooh. I bumped into a couple of interesting articles that I hadn't seen.

This one makes mention of a Lawrence F Deutzman claiming to be an "old family friend" suggesting that she may have left on her own accord. The same article makes mention of a search that was carried out in Chilmark, Mass in response to a tip that was communicated "The Parsons woman, kidnaped in New York can be found at the Robinson camp at Menemshaw."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...TdPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZSEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4533,1885026

This second article, gives similar information but with less detail:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...7sqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hFkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5485,5669443

A little bit more about the tipster who called from a fish market and drove away in car with New Jersey plates:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...J1aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=W04DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4027,1906235

(On page two of the same link above, there is also mention of possible searches from a boat in Port Jefferson.)

More detail about the tipsters car and the police search for him:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...qo1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=z2kFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3169,6787538

I wonder what made Lawrence Deutzman think Alice had run away? Maybe she had confided in him at some point, in which case, I would really like to know what it was Alice told him. She doesn't strike me as having the type of personality which would lead people to think she had just run away. Maybe her marriage was not as content as it seemed.

Having said that, for all I know Alice and William running a squab farm might have been considered highly unusual and flighty in their social circle at that time.

 

[zwiebel]

I second the thanks for the Alice pics, by the way!

 

[Marilynilpa]

I have a number of photos of Alice as a child, if anyone would like to see them.

Here's one of her sitting between her two brothers. This was when they lived in Bay City, Michigan:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...A/s799/HowardAliceFrankMcDonell.11.4.1899.jpg

 

[Marilynilpa]

I like this one of Alice. It was taken while she was visiting relatives in Canada, I believe.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JY-2mxkc19Q/R7eLMzMkP4I/AAAAAAAADFw/yyzrTz7M9u8/s509/image1-1.jpg

Here's a photo of young Alice with her dad and her brothers. This was taken in Bay City, Michigan shortly before the children went to live with Colonel Williams in NY.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...U/mzRUVqdocqw/s626/HowardFrankFatherAlice.jpg

 

[zwiebel]

Marilyilpa, could you remind me what Col William's initials were?

Those photos are lovely. I realize now that much earlier, I mistook a picture of Anna in an article I found,for a picture of Alice. I shall have to go back and find it as it was quite a clear one and I believe there was a clear pic of Roy with her too.

 

[Pink Panther]

Picture of Alice; possibly her wedding:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...42411975619409/5232642442788511490?banner=pwa

I love this one...She's sailing with friends!

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...42411975619409/5232642409667749570?banner=pwa

With her aunt Bess:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...42411975619409/5232643188423914562?banner=pwa

And finally, with Howard and an unidentified woman:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...42411975619409/5232643143703576226?banner=pwa

 

[Marilynilpa]

Marilyilpa, could you remind me what Col William's initials were?

Those photos are lovely. I realize now that much earlier, I mistook a picture of Anna in an article I found,for a picture of Alice. I shall have to go back and find it as it was quite a clear one and I believe there was a clear pic of Roy with her too.

Colonel Timothy Shaler Williams is his full name. He was a fascinating man, in my opinion. There is quite a bit of info out there in the "googleverse" about him. He's actually worthy of a book all of his own, although there wouldn't be many juicy details in his story.

There were a couple of photos of Anna in the newspapers. One of them shows her to be fairly attractive, but I thought she looked like the Wicked Witch in another photo:what:

I have a couple of photos of William, but they are from his college days. I don't have any photos of him closer to the time of Alice's disappearance, other than what I saw in the papers.

I have one particular favorite photo of Alice, but I couldn't find it earlier. I'll search for it and will post it as soon as I locate it.

 

[Pink Panther]

Timothy S Williams:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...50013366371041/5101743368632514050?banner=pwa

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...50013366371041/5101743501776500258?banner=pwa

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...50013366371041/5101743549021140530?banner=pwa

I posted a newspaper article that outlines his entire career on the previous page. He is most certainly worthy of a book in his own right!

 

[Pink Panther]

I believe this is a photograph of Alice's father:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1040...15609417351249/5101743304208004594?banner=pwa