GUILTY NY - Barbara Maier Gustern, 87, brutally shoved in street, dies, Manhattan, 12 March 2022 *arrest*

[scandinavian girl]

Absolutely disgusting, really. So many bullies walking around, not being held accountable. Ugh.

The cesspool scion socialite charged with fatally shoving NYC grandmother | Daily Mail Online

It is awful and just understood that her father was into cesspools and it was not the name media gave her though it seemed appropiate

 

[MadisonS]

If you repeat the words "Cesspool Scion" 3 times in a row while looking into the bathroom mirror, will Lauren Pazienza crawl out of said mirror, shout "B-----h!" and shove you to the ground?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I truly hope and pray that this 's trial and such wont go the way of Jussie Smollett's.

 

[curiouser_]

Looks like she is still with fiance and being supported by him and family.

NYC events coordinator Lauren Pazienza 'still together' with fiancé after elderly shoving death: Sources

A source also told Fox News Digital family and friends decided to pool money together to cover the cost of bond.

Meanwhile, a second source who is close to the family told Fox News Digital the 26-year-old has been in touch with her fiancé from Rikers and that he and his family fully support her.

"They are still together," the source said.

 

[Breezie]

NYC events planner Lauren Pazienza 'seen mocking deaf people' in video | Daily Mail Online

None of this is surprising to her former friend who said simply, 'she has no empathy,' and never showed any remorse for her bad acts during her time as a student at FIT.

In fact, Pazienza was, the former friend said, prone to mocking people and spoke in a derogatory manner, they said 'about fat people and deaf people…anyone.'

In footage shared with DailyMail.com Pazienza can be seen contorting and making a grotesque face, screeching and speaking in a distorted voice that, the friend said, was her 'mocking deaf people.'

JMO -There has been speculation about her having a mental breakdown or possible drug use but this article makes her sound like a psychopath with no empathy or remorse.

 

[curiouser_]

NYC events planner Lauren Pazienza 'seen mocking deaf people' in video | Daily Mail Online

None of this is surprising to her former friend who said simply, 'she has no empathy,' and never showed any remorse for her bad acts during her time as a student at FIT.

In fact, Pazienza was, the former friend said, prone to mocking people and spoke in a derogatory manner, they said 'about fat people and deaf people…anyone.'

In footage shared with DailyMail.com Pazienza can be seen contorting and making a grotesque face, screeching and speaking in a distorted voice that, the friend said, was her 'mocking deaf people.'

JMO -There has been speculation about her having a mental breakdown or possible drug use but this article makes her sound like a psychopath with no empathy or remorse.

Just. Wow. No other words for such ugliness of character.

 

[MadisonS]

NYC events planner Lauren Pazienza 'seen mocking deaf people' in video | Daily Mail Online

JMO -There has been speculation about her having a mental breakdown or possible drug use but this article makes her sound like a psychopath with no empathy or remorse.

Exactly. She was just cruel.

 

[Lusitana]

Maybe she's just what she called her victim.

Doesn't mean she doesn't have mental health issues, though. It's not normal to shove someone out of nowhere. Either something happened between her and the victim, or she really did it out of nowhere and is obviously not okay.

She knew what she did was wrong though, and stayed around to, I assume, check how the victim was doing. She most likely realized that she was in very bad shape and freaked out, deleted social media, left her job, etc.

 

[Kip]

Maybe she's just what she called her victim.

Doesn't mean she doesn't have mental health issues, though. It's not normal to shove someone out of nowhere. Either something happened between her and the victim, or she really did it out of nowhere and is obviously not okay.

She knew what she did was wrong though, and stayed around to, I assume, check how the victim was doing. She most likely realized that she was in very bad shape and freaked out, deleted social media, left her job, etc.

My opinion is that she didn't stay around to see how the victim was doing, but that she stayed to watch the havoc she created. I think that's why she pushed the woman in the first place. I don't think she planned to kill her or even injure her severely. I think she thought the story would make tv and the newspapers about another old woman being randomly assaulted and she would take pleasure in seeing/reading the coverage.

 

[EGirl]

I don't think there is anything complicated with her, she is just your regular, run of the mill, spoiled brat who has never suffered any consequences for her actions or behavior.

 

[Lusitana]

Spoiled brats don't unsually push a 87-year-old so hard out of nowhere. She's not okay. This is so extreme, I don't see it just as bratty behaviour. God forbid.

 

[Cryptic]

It's not normal to shove someone out of nowhere. Either something happened between her and the victim, or she really did it out of nowhere and is obviously not okay.

Evidently, the victim was in the act of hailing a taxi. Perhaps the perpetrator thought the victim had "stolen" the taxi?

I have never lived in New York City. But, I have a general understanding that arguments between New Yorkers over "claimed" taxis and for whom the taxi was truly stopping for are not unheard of.

My guess is that the victim might not have ceded the taxi to LP. LP then pushed her in retribution?

 

[DSCrime]

More legal analysis in this new article:

Experts say socialite charged with killing NYC vocal coach may face more trouble for hiding out | Daily Mail Online

"Experts say that a manslaughter charge against a 26-year-old New York woman who allegedly shoved an elderly vocal coach to her death earlier this month is likely to stick - as evidence of the assault and her attempt to skip town continue to mount."

...

"The prosecutors gonna say, "With the facts I have, she pushed an old lady to the ground, she stayed to see what kind of trouble she was in, when she saw the cops were looking for her, she knew she had to get out of there, she left the city and erased her social media and website and tried to disappear, and she only turned herself in when it became national news,"' Discioarro said.

'This is not a good case for the defense. She has no sympathy.

'I can't imagine going to trial in this case,' he added. 'Unless the prosecution makes a ridiculous offer, I just don't think this is a sympathetic client, and the media coverage is not sympathetic to her. What's your argument, that you're allowed to push old ladies in the street?'"

 

[katydid23]

Bipolar, or manic-depressive illness, is possible. I have a relative who has suffered with this for decades. One time she crashed her car into a wall on purpose. Other times she's been hospitalized after causing public disturbances. The medications she has taken also caused a great deal of weight gain. The whole thing started with a nervous breakdown at age 27.

There's something seriously wrong here with a young woman who would cross the street and attack an elderly lady she doesn't even know, then casually watch the aftermath before strolling away.

Update/EDIT:
After reading more posts here, I see that she might just be a cruel, cold hearted person, maybe even a sociopath? My little brother was never cruel or mean--just impulsive and paranoid.



That sounds similar to my younger brother, who had onset of schizophrenia about age 23. He had impulse control issues and heard voices---which repeated paranoid ideas---he often thought a random stranger was actually a CIA spy, following him, etc.

He wasn't violent, but did have some outbursts where he caused chaos because of being aggressive towards random people at times. He'd accuse them of following him or he'd yell " I KNOW WHO YOU ARE" to a surprised person in the grocery store beside him.

 

[mickey2942]

Looks like she is still with fiance and being supported by him and family.

NYC events coordinator Lauren Pazienza 'still together' with fiancé after elderly shoving death: Sources

A source also told Fox News Digital family and friends decided to pool money together to cover the cost of bond.

Meanwhile, a second source who is close to the family told Fox News Digital the 26-year-old has been in touch with her fiancé from Rikers and that he and his family fully support her.

"They are still together," the source said.

Of course he is "supportive". He lives in an apartment that cost over $600,000 in NYC. If he broke up with her, he would probably have to find a new place to live. No doubt, the apartment was paid for by her parents.

I wouldn't doubt that she will probably get pregnant right away, for a pity party factor to reduce any long term sentencing, for the "baby", of course. (Nicely done by Elizabeth Holmes, of "Theranos").

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

(I doubt it will ever happen but I would luv to see her parents charged for harboring <modsnip> in their home & lying to LE.)
Parents of NYC event planner, 26, charged with fatally shoving elderly vocal coach, 87, 'may also face charges' for 'helping her hide out from police in their Long Island home'
Lauren Pazienza's parents 'may be charged' for 'helping her hide from police' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Cryptic]

Update/EDIT:
After reading more posts here, I see that she might just be a cruel, cold hearted person, maybe even a sociopath?

Its possible that she could be sociopathic. This is of course, not a diagnosis, rather it is just stating a possibility.

As a side note, there are degrees of sociopathy. On the Hare test, those scoring over 19 are said to have sociopathic tendencies. Those scoring over 30 are fully sociopathic with 36 being the extreme.

One can be impulsively aggressive, cruel etc. and not be fully sociopathic. Likewise, one can be fully sociopathic and not be impulsively aggressive and not be impulsively cruel- especially if there is no gain in doing so.

In the end, it is very hard to tell whether or not somebody is sociopathic with out in depth review.

 

[Mert]

I think I had read he and a relative, posdibly his father own the condo or apartment, not the suspect. * My opinions

 

[Lusitana]

Evidently, the victim was in the act of hailing a taxi. Perhaps the perpetrator thought the victim had "stolen" the taxi?

I have never lived in New York City. But, I have a general understanding that arguments between New Yorkers over "claimed" taxis and for whom the taxi was truly stopping for are not unheard of.

My guess is that the victim might not have ceded the taxi to LP. LP then pushed her in retribution?

That would make more "sense". It's being told in the media that she did it for no reason. If she did it for no reason, if there was no previous interaction, then mental illness has to be the answer.

Of course he is "supportive". He lives in an apartment that cost over $600,000 in NYC. If he broke up with her, he would probably have to find a new place to live. No doubt, the apartment was paid for by her parents.

I wouldn't doubt that she will probably get pregnant right away, for a pity party factor to reduce any long term sentencing, for the "baby", of course. (Nicely done by Elizabeth Holmes, of "Theranos").

Why are you assuming that her boyfriend needs her financially? They both come from the same background.

 

[Cryptic]

That would make more "sense". It's being told in the media that she did it for no reason.

The media might be using "no reason" in the broader sense that there was no even remotely justifiable provocation.