Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[smile22]

i think a general flyer with the le involved in the jane doe should not only be posted in ny but also in other states, i live in ct and its about 2 hrs to nyc so ny and ct are not far at all, everyone who would want to post flyers in there state could thus maybe generating more tips/leads

 

[sharon25]

I really think the similarities are there.
Even the fact that our Jane Doe was said to have
had some tooth decay and Diane also appeared
to have some dental problems.

I e-mailed Sgt. Smith.
Who knows! Maybe we can finally put a name
on her headstone.

Diane is not our jane doe

 

[carolina]

well it was defiantely a good try! you had concvinced me!

 

[sharon25]

well it was defiantely a good try! you had concvinced me!

I was really hoping that it was!
I also hope that I'm not giving the detective all these
"leads" that they have already checked out.
I would hate to actually be hurting their investigation rather
than helping it.

Time is not on our side though

I have a question though-----

Are ALL missing persons reports in a centralized database for
LE to look through???
And if so WHEN was this system set up?

Is it possible that they are reports of missing persons
that never made it to the system for all LE to search through??

 

[Richard]

Is it possible that they are reports of missing persons
that never made it to the system for all LE to search through??

This On-Line searching for missing persons is fairly recent. Missing Person boards only started up in the late 1990's.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was probably the first large data base, because it had been going as an organization in the early 1980's - so they had been building up files for some time before they went "on-line". But because they only are concerned with missing Children, many cases of missing adults had to wait for later websites to start up.

The Doenetwork is fairly new, and it has been building in size since its start, adding new cases every week - take a look at it, and you will see that often their "new" cases are actually old ones. They require that someone be missing for seven years before they can be added to the website.

 

[joellegirl]

Also check out http://www.charleyproject.org. It is run by one of the ladies that used to run the old Missing Persons Cold Case Network.There are cases on there-even some very old ones, that aren't (as of now)on the Doe Network. I believe a person only has to missing 6 months to be on The Charley Project, which is named after a little boy named Charley who went missing in the 1870s. Alot of the case files are very detailed with lots of info. I don't think unidentified victims are on the site, but many very old cases are, as well as very recent ones. This site and the Doe Network are great sites.

 

[KrazyKollector]

I have looked around on the different sites. I never knew there were so many missing people or so many jane and john does. And I am sure that the records are still scanty, especially on the older cases. I was looking for the case of the girl I had gone to HS with (a year behind me) and who disappeared when she was in college. She left her dorm to go to a Halloween party and disappeared off the face of the earth. My DH ended up working with her father and he would spend weekends bicycling around the college trying to find something out. I am sure that he now "knows" what happened, since he felt he would find out when he died, but she left behind a Mom (not sure if she is still alive or not) and a brother, along with many friends. But, prior to the 80's, there just wasn't a network like there is now.

I knew another girl who had moved from my town to FL with her family and was murdered walking home one evening. That was also mid-70's. As far as I know, it was never solved. Is there anyplace online to find out if it ever was in the last 30 years, or if there is any update at all?

Just my observation of "Cali". Her face looks "young" to me. Maybe it's the mask of death making her look younger, but she still looks like her face was needing to "mature". I wonder if the two people who claimed to see her/talk to her noticed any kind of an accent or dialect to her voice?
Even her clothing seems youngish, or what the younger group was more apt to wear back then.
I still would not totally dismiss the race car fan-follower. She might have been a groupie who met someone who convinced her he was "in the circuit" or getting into it and she could have been staying with him for a few weeks and then wanted to leave and he didn't want her to.
Her picture is just so sad. Like she needs a mommy's arms around her. I hope that someday, it gets solved or she gets identified.

 

[Richard]

I have looked around on the different sites. I never knew there were so many missing people or so many jane and john does. And I am sure that the records are still scanty, especially on the older cases. I was looking for the case of the girl I had gone to HS with (a year behind me) and who disappeared when she was in college. She left her dorm to go to a Halloween party and disappeared off the face of the earth. My DH ended up working with her father and he would spend weekends bicycling around the college trying to find something out. I am sure that he now "knows" what happened, since he felt he would find out when he died, but she left behind a Mom (not sure if she is still alive or not) and a brother, along with many friends. But, prior to the 80's, there just wasn't a network like there is now.

I knew another girl who had moved from my town to FL with her family and was murdered walking home one evening. That was also mid-70's. As far as I know, it was never solved. Is there anyplace online to find out if it ever was in the last 30 years, or if there is any update at all?

If you cannot find information about these cases on-line, then try looking up the stories about them in newspaper microfilm files. Most of the larger libraries can help you in such a search.

Take a look at the general format of information given in Doenetwork and NCMEC - then do a write up for them and submit it. That is how a lot of the cases get featured.

 

[sharon25]

This On-Line searching for missing persons is fairly recent. Missing Person boards only started up in the late 1990's.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was probably the first large data base, because it had been going as an organization in the early 1980's - so they had been building up files for some time before they went "on-line". But because they only are concerned with missing Children, many cases of missing adults had to wait for later websites to start up.

The Doenetwork is fairly new, and it has been building in size since its start, adding new cases every week - take a look at it, and you will see that often their "new" cases are actually old ones. They require that someone be missing for seven years before they can be added to the website.

How does the LE look for missing persons? Don't they have their own database that they search through???
How long has that been established?
Is it mandatory that every missing persons case
be put into a system that is searchable by ALL of LE????

don't know if anyone has answers to these questions or not

 

[sharon25]

Thanks for your quick response. Yes I do have information about the individual on death row. His name is Roy Clifton Swafford. According to the serial murder profiling information, he appears to be a hedonistic serial killer---the information I have read indicates that they travel out of their hometowns to commit the murders....I don't know if there would be any way to find out if he was in the NY area during that time.

Sgt. Smith e-mailed me and said he does not believe it was Roy Clifton Swafford.

 

[Mullins]

Sgt. Smith e-mailed me and said he does not believe it was Roy Clifton Swafford.

Thanks for posting that info Sharon25. Hopefully some day something will turn up to help solve this one.

 

[sharon25]

Thanks for posting that info Sharon25. Hopefully some day something will turn up to help solve this one.

I hope so,
It seems so sad and unlikely

 

[Mrs_Norwood]

I found this by searching the terms "He who holds the key can open my heart" along with jewelry in my search engine and found this.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...olds+the+key+can+open+my+heart"+jewelry&hl=en

It's almost exactly like that girls except it is gold and has a different shape..like it was hand made. The key fits in exactly like that girls in the same place.

Here's another one I found. I don't see a picture, but it says this one is also gold and has the same inscription. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...olds+the+key+can+open+my+heart"+jewelry&hl=en

 

[smile22]

I found this by searching the terms "He who holds the key can open my heart" along with jewelry in my search engine and found this.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...olds+the+key+can+open+my+heart"+jewelry&hl=en

It's almost exactly like that girls except it is gold and has a different shape..like it was hand made. The key fits in exactly like that girls in the same place.

Here's another one I found. I don't see a picture, but it says this one is also gold and has the same inscription. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...olds+the+key+can+open+my+heart"+jewelry&hl=en

the thing with her key to the heart was that it looked very cheep it had the key ring sorta clasp and was belived to be one of the cheeper ones mass marketed for truck stops/ gas stations and conveniance stores. they key to her identity might lie in the jewlery that they found on her and the tan that she had

 

[Mullins]

I think it was a good idea to search the web for similar jewelry. It makes me wonder if there's any way to find out who the manufacturer of the Caledonia Jane Doe's jewelry was (even though I hear it's mass produced), and whether or not the current heart you found on ebay is handmade or manufactured.....

I found this by searching the terms "He who holds the key can open my heart" along with jewelry in my search engine and found this.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:HuYssmO8dBMJ:www.historyofcars-l.com/items/4970096832.html+%22He+who+holds+the+key+can+open+my+heart%22+jewelry&hl=en

It's almost exactly like that girls except it is gold and has a different shape..like it was hand made. The key fits in exactly like that girls in the same place.

Here's another one I found. I don't see a picture, but it says this one is also gold and has the same inscription. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TO3pfGQAoNwJ:www.dealdawg.com/gold-love-charm-11001-Jewelry--Lockets.html+%22He+who+holds+the+key+can+open+my+heart%22+jewelry&hl=en

 

[Mullins]

Just wondering KrazyKollector if you ever found out any info on the two murders you mentioned in your post (the one you went to HS with and the one who moved from your hometown to FL). I am interested in unsolved murders in the southeastern and northeastern US (FL, MA, NY etc) from the mid seventies to 1983. Keep me posted if you find anything out. Thanks.

I have looked around on the different sites. I never knew there were so many missing people or so many jane and john does. And I am sure that the records are still scanty, especially on the older cases. I was looking for the case of the girl I had gone to HS with (a year behind me) and who disappeared when she was in college. She left her dorm to go to a Halloween party and disappeared off the face of the earth. My DH ended up working with her father and he would spend weekends bicycling around the college trying to find something out. I am sure that he now "knows" what happened, since he felt he would find out when he died, but she left behind a Mom (not sure if she is still alive or not) and a brother, along with many friends. But, prior to the 80's, there just wasn't a network like there is now.

I knew another girl who had moved from my town to FL with her family and was murdered walking home one evening. That was also mid-70's. As far as I know, it was never solved. Is there anyplace online to find out if it ever was in the last 30 years, or if there is any update at all?

Just my observation of "Cali". Her face looks "young" to me. Maybe it's the mask of death making her look younger, but she still looks like her face was needing to "mature". I wonder if the two people who claimed to see her/talk to her noticed any kind of an accent or dialect to her voice?
Even her clothing seems youngish, or what the younger group was more apt to wear back then.
I still would not totally dismiss the race car fan-follower. She might have been a groupie who met someone who convinced her he was "in the circuit" or getting into it and she could have been staying with him for a few weeks and then wanted to leave and he didn't want her to.
Her picture is just so sad. Like she needs a mommy's arms around her. I hope that someday, it gets solved or she gets identified.

 

[Richard]

I have always felt that the Indian Jewlry found on this little girl might provide some clue to her identity. Does anyone collect or deal in such jewlry? If it could be determined who made it or where it was made, then perhaps she might be identified.

 

[laini]

Is anybody familiar with killer Richard Biegenwald? I am reading about him in a book and the unsolved murder of Cali came to my mind. From 1977 to 1980 his parole officer lost contact with him I believe. He was in NY/ New Jersesy area. He liked to see people die but didn't sexually assult them, the book says. (It is called 'Thrill Killers' by c. linedecker).

Anybody have any thoughts on this? I just wanted to post what I was thinking. I hope her murder and identity can be solved soon.

laini

 

[Mr. E]

This is my first post here. I've read through all the other cold cases threads and couldn't find a thread for the unidentified girl who was murdered in 1979 in Caledonia, NY (I seem to remember seeing a thread here, I just can't find it). So I apologize if this has already been discussed.

The doenetwork number is 1UFNY. Looking around on doenetwork, I found a missing girl who, in my opinion, looks very much like the Caledonia girl. Her name is Sharon Drover, #1321DFNF.

Especially when you compare the morgue photo with Sharon Drover, they look very similar to me.
http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Wanted_&_Missing/Unidentified/view.cfm?ID=1

http://doenetwork.us/cases/1321dfnf.html

I've always been intrigued by this unidentified Caledonia girl. She's looks so young -- shouldn't someone be wondering where she is?

 

[shadowangel]

The thread, started by Richard, is down the page a few threads (Unidentified Female, Caledonia...) Its up to 4 pages or so now....Welcome aboard, by the way. "Cali"'s story has intrigued many of us...:waitasec: