GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #1

[loveisthemovement]

You know who else worked with animals and used an aanimal sedative on their victims? Karla Homolka. She also claimed to be a victim. We all know how that worked out.

 

[blue22]

I wonder if the family asked LE to only pursue kidnapping. Not wanting to go through any sexual abuse routes, per their culture (it may make it very difficult for the girls to stay accepted) Also the girls may not have been allowed to have a full physical at the hospital, so they may not know exactly what took place with them. Sweet girls just living a peaceful life....such monsters out there

Interesting on SH's Fb on May 16 he posts a saying about you are responsible for everything you do...no one else (paraphrased)

I think we have to be careful. And I am not trying to condescend you, or anything. It's just not true that they could be unaccepted if they were sexually assaulted. I don't think we should make comments on what we don't understand. I help with my friend's small business and they work with the Amish and Mennonite communities to resale their hand made goods. We chat with the Amish moms all the time, and I am very interested in their culture. They certainly would never, ever shun a child for being kidnapped and assaulted against their will. This crime has stunned them and made the community all over the country very fearful for their children. (Even though they don't use media, they all know. Word of mouth travels as fast as the internet.) They were all rejoicing when the girls were returned NO MATTER what happened to them.

 

[SCHMAE]

FM and DM, just beautiful names. Those names so innocent and of yesteryear and of safety and home.
I sure hope these girls get back unscathed and untouched !

I love you Nursie. I was just coming to find this post to see if it was too late to ' edit'.

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/couple...s-may-have-planned-other-abductions-1.2738419

"There was no answer Saturday at the offices of the St. Lawrence County Conflict Defender's Office, which is representing Howells.

Wells said the girls were able to provide details to investigators about their time in captivity.

The Associated Press generally does not identify people who may be victims of sexual abuse".

 

[TTF14]

I think we have to be careful. And I am not trying to condescend you, or anything. It's just not true that they could be unaccepted if they were sexually assaulted. I don't think we should make comments on what we don't understand. I help with my friend's small business and they work with the Amish and Mennonite communities to resale their hand made goods. We chat with the Amish moms all the time, and I am very interested in their culture. They certainly would never, ever shun a child for being kidnapped and assaulted against their will. This crime has stunned them and made the community all over the country very fearful for their children. (Even though they don't use media, they all know. Word of mouth travels as fast as the internet.) They were all rejoicing when the girls were returned NO MATTER what happened to them.

Totally agree. We have a lot of Amish people near where I live (my last name is Amish and my children's lineage is Amish b/c of their dad's side of the family--former Amish). Amish people are not like a cult or anything (not that anybody said they were). They're compassionate and God fearing but wouldn't shun a family member for being a victim of a crime. I don't think anybody said the word "shun,", but I'd be surprised if they'd be any more "unaccepted" (by a potential mate??) than by anybody else who was the victim of a crime, in another culture.

Just my opinion based on what I know of the Amish.

 

[trigger]

I wonder if the family asked LE to only pursue kidnapping. Not wanting to go through any sexual abuse routes, per their culture (it may make it very difficult for the girls to stay accepted) Also the girls may not have been allowed to have a full physical at the hospital, so they may not know exactly what took place with them. Sweet girls just living a peaceful life....such monsters out there

Interesting on SH's Fb on May 16 he posts a saying about you are responsible for everything you do...no one else (paraphrased)

Oh you maybe right only charging them with kidnapping.

I wonder if SH was married before or just had 3 children with her?

I wonder what shes thinking right now, hopefully he didn't abuse his children.

This reminds me of Tori Stafford case.

 

[blue22]

Totally agree. We have a lot of Amish people near where I live (my last name is Amish and my children's lineage is Amish b/c of their dad's side of the family--former Amish). Amish people are not like a cult or anything (not that anybody said they were). They're compassionate and God fearing but wouldn't shun a family member for being a victim of a crime. I don't think anybody said the word "shun,", but I'd be surprised if they'd be any more "unaccepted" (by a potential mate??) than by anybody else who was the victim of a crime, in another culture.

Just my opinion based on what I know of the Amish.

I shouldn't have used the word shunned, probably.

But yeah...I know in our Amish community, it would not be harder for the sufferer of sexual abuse to be accepted by their community. In fact, they would be given the love and support they needed.

 

[gogrannypop]

I'm glad this is getting so much national attention. This way these 2 will get jail time. The judicial system here is pretty lax on convicting criminals. There is an accused murderer walking the streets of Potsdam right now. His name is Nick Hillary.

 

[blue22]

Totally agree. We have a lot of Amish people near where I live (my last name is Amish and my children's lineage is Amish b/c of their dad's side of the family--former Amish). Amish people are not like a cult or anything (not that anybody said they were). They're compassionate and God fearing but wouldn't shun a family member for being a victim of a crime. I don't think anybody said the word "shun,", but I'd be surprised if they'd be any more "unaccepted" (by a potential mate??) than by anybody else who was the victim of a crime, in another culture.

Just my opinion based on what I know of the Amish.

I shouldn't have used the word shunned, proibably.

But yeah, I know in our Amish community, it would not be harder for the sufferer of sexual abuse to be accepted by their community.

Now it IS possible that they don't want the community to know of sexual assault, for their privacy and healing. The girls themselves might choose to keep that from the community. That would normal for any survivor, in any community of people.

 

[2Hope4]

How can someone that works with people (Do no harm!), and someone who has a psych major but works with animals (A vulnerable group) then choose to prey on the vulnerable and harm them???? This is one @*#$ world we live in!!! Too much evil exists.

 

[blue22]

How can someone that works with people (Do no harm!), and someone who has a psych major but works with animals (A vulnerable group) then choose to prey on the vulnerable and harm them???? This is one @*#$ world we live in!!! Too much evil exists.

I think there are some people who are drawn to those fields, because of their own inner workings.

 

[Salem]

No names from this point forward, please. Initials only. And of course no more posting of the sketch.

Thanks Everybody.

Salem & Coldpizza

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The happier days, before deciding to kidnap and abduct little girls.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stall-holding-captive-property-overnight.html

I can't help wondering if they were already concocting a sinister plan at the time of this pic...

:stormingmad:

 

[Ontario Mom]

You know who else worked with animals and used an aanimal sedative on their victims? Karla Homolka. She also claimed to be a victim. We all know how that worked out.

I had the exact same thought as soon as I heard where she worked

 

[SCHMAE]

If I were LE or the mom of his bio kids, I'd be marching them to a psyche yesterday !

 

[Inthedetails]

My hunch (JMO only) is that this couple met online, perhaps on a message board for people who have an interest in certain sexual fantasies. They were interested in each other online and then met in person, and they were perhaps active in real life pursuing their fantasies together.

All speculation on my part. I don't want to sleuth those online communities so I'm just going on a hunch. They seem like an odd pair to begin with and they almost instantly split up during the interview process with her blaming him as the initiator of the crime. I think their relationship was based on their mutual (creepy) interests and not much more, imo.

JMO, subject to change.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I think we have to be careful. And I am not trying to condescend you, or anything. It's just not true that they could be unaccepted if they were sexually assaulted. I don't think we should make comments on what we don't understand. I help with my friend's small business and they work with the Amish and Mennonite communities to resale their hand made goods. We chat with the Amish moms all the time, and I am very interested in their culture. They certainly would never, ever shun a child for being kidnapped and assaulted against their will. This crime has stunned them and made the community all over the country very fearful for their children. (Even though they don't use media, they all know. Word of mouth travels as fast as the internet.) They were all rejoicing when the girls were returned NO MATTER what happened to them.

Well said. I don't think we (who aren't Amish) are qualified to say in here what they would or wouldn't do based on their religious beliefs. Remember, too...pacifism does not necessarily equate to passivity concerning evil--they were quick to notify authorities when their children went missing.

Also, the State will pursue a crime committed against these girls, regardless of family's willingness to openly testify. There are many ways to handle crimes against children that will afford them the privacy they deserve. I think we probably need to remember that media are throwing around terms like "sexual assault" and "abuse" without knowing at this point what precisely happened--those terms encompass a large range of behaviors. As far as I know, sexual assault can be as simple as kissing or touching someone who doesn't want that overture (correct me if I'm wrong here, legal people). So it's probably wise not to try to speculate on details, here. That the girls (one only 7 years old) were checked out at the hospital and released and said to be "fine" is all the reassurance I need.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

She has a public defender (so got it right away); his job makes him ineligible for that--he's been instructed to get a private atty. Her atty is already pointing the finger at him saying she's been his victim as well.

Could someone explain why his job (any job, for that matter) makes him in eligible for a public defender?

does he make too much money?

or...???

TIA...:seeya:

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Could someone explain why his job (any job, for that matter) makes him in eligible for a public defender?

does he make too much money?

or...???

TIA...:seeya:

Because his income is too high to qualify for a public defender. Read that yesterday, though don't have the link handy.

 

[Ontario Mom]

My hunch (JMO only) is that this couple met online, perhaps on a message board for people who have an interest in certain sexual fantasies. They were interested in each other online and then met in person, and they were perhaps active in real life pursuing their fantasies together.

All speculation on my part. I don't want to sleuth those online communities so I'm just going on a hunch. They seem like an odd pair to begin with and they almost instantly split up during the interview process with her blaming him as the initiator of the crime. I think their relationship was based on their mutual (creepy) interests and not much more, imo.

JMO, subject to change.

I've seen several references to this but haven't seen a MSM link that mentions it? Anyone have a link?