GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #1

[dotr]

I hate to even type this, but you know how sites are specialized by ethnicity, etc sometimes---maybe they were taken for being specifically Amish, in order to advertise/feature that aspect specifically...

uke:

Dare not even question or think about this, but wonder if there were any animals at the home where the girls were held? ...........

 

[DeeMarie]

According to intellus he's lived in
Long Lake, MN
Wayzata, MN
Minneapolis, MN
Mound, MN
De Kalb Junction, NY
Canton, NY
Hermon, NY
Parishville, NY
Dixon CA
and had an APO address

Wow that's a lot of moving around! Many thanks for sleuthing this! I hope this also means for the safety of his children that he had long distance contact with them (his ex in one state/him in another) unless he had full custody..

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Nothing exciting with this that I've found.

The Creeper Pic was the only thing...but wasn't too fear inducing...

I bet she has "creepier" things on other sites... Under another and/or various "names"...

JMO

 

[Bootsctr]

A bunch of animals, horses, llamas, etc. I'll have to re-read the article, but lots of animals. I read they coerced the girls into the car. I wonder if he had some kittens or puppies in the back seat.

 

[Sleuthster]

The Creeper Pic was the only thing...but wasn't too fear inducing...

I bet she has "creepier" things on other sites... Under another and/or various "names"...

JMO

Did you see her pintrest and stumbleupon too? Doesn't look like much to me either but others may find something I'm missing. It is interesting no one follows her on the twitter AND she just signed up for it the end of July.

 

[blue22]

A bunch of animals, horses, llamas, etc. I'll have to re-read the article, but lots of animals. I read they coerced the girls into the car. I wonder if he had some kittens or puppies in the back seat.

Or a weapon maybe?

I keep thinking that Amish children would not get in a car, due to their life and beliefs. Unless intensely coerced or threatened. I could be wrong, I just can't shake that.

 

[Bootsctr]

She has quite the following on pinterest! 30 people. I'm scared to follow her on Pin. That little baby pig is pretty cute, but considering what she and this guy did with these girls that's weird.

Ahhh!!! Yes!! I just found her name she uses on the internet. nikkiefv She has a twitter, pintrest, stumbleupon etc.


For example,
http://fr.pinterest.com/nikkiefv/

 

[mistivon]

Im checking not just where he lives, but all the places he travelled to per his facebook..and it goes back a few years

 

[gitana1]

Every time I click and their names are not gone, I'm relieved, but yes , I agree with you . Especially given their own privacy within
their community. It does feel a little intrusive. So glad they got an arrest, but it's getting curiouser and curiouser !

The good thing is given their culture, they don't use the internet or watch tv. So their privacy is secured. Except of course that in their culture, everyone knows they were abducted and who they are.

I find it very strange that they returned the girls rather than call 911 right away. My assumption was they were surprised, of course, and weren't thinking straight. Perhaps they thought that since the girls were Amish, their family wouldn't want to involve the police. But, that's not the rescuerers' decision to make. I don't know what to think of that except it's another odd piece in an odd story.

Regarding the girls seeing the red car, that might be entirely true. Or, it may be just a red car. I'm guessing they aren't practiced at identifying specific makes and types of cars. I'm not either - all cars are sort of the same to me except for size and color. I really don't pay attention because I don't care that much about cars, and I obviously live in a car culture. For these girls, they probably care less than I do and just saw red (literally and figuratively). But, if it's a real spotting of the real car, it's spooky. The perps went searching for the girls for recapture?

JMO

I don't get not calling the police at least while on the road. I would want to make sure I'm not a suspect.

Thank you for this info. This does make sense and doesn't seem odd anymore. I'm thankful for that couple!

To me, it doesn't make sense. It conflicts with their media interviews and I cannot imagine LE allowing two abducted kids to be in the custody of any unrelated citizen for even one minute, let alone 13. LE had no idea at that moment what had happened and who were to blame. No way would they just allow them to be driven home by some random couple. They would take the kids immediately into their custody and have them assessed and give statements. With LE present.

But it is just just another odd piece of the story. I'm just glad that couple was there to rescue them.

Not anymore, they're not.

Yup. Still there.

 

[Bootsctr]

There is a feeding frenzy over this story. Twitter is going nuts. I'm following Gio Benetiz the ABC reporter. He is a very nice looking man. @GioBenetiz

 

[DeeMarie]

It seems during this case that the LE really used care and respect for the Amish culture and the family.
There were no photos taken of the family with with cameras and news people camped outside their home- etc.
It was not a full blown media event that would have totally invaded the the Amish family and their community.
I think LE put controls in place to ensure their privacy.
I believe LE did an incredible job.

 

[jjenny]

I especially struggle to understand what kind of woman could do something like this. She must have been abused as a kid...jmo

Lots of cases where a couple were partners in crime. Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping, Jaycee Dugard's kidnapping. Both kidnappers had a wife helping them.

 

[Hart]

The good thing is given their culture, they don't use the internet or watch tv. So their privacy is secured. Except of course that in their culture, everyone knows they were abducted and who they are.




I don't get not calling the police at least while on the road. I would want to make sure I'm not a suspect.



To me, it doesn't make sense. It conflicts with their media interviews and I cannot imagine LE allowing two abducted kids to be in the custody of any unrelated citizen for even one minute, let alone 13. LE had no idea at that moment what had happened and who were to blame. No way would they just allow them to be driven home by some random couple. They would take the kids immediately into their custody and have them assessed and give statements. With LE present.

But it is just just another odd piece of the story. I'm just glad that couple was there to rescue them.



Yup. Still there.

I've read several places that they did call the police, gave the children a snack while waiting and then they drove the kids home with a police escort. I live in Rochester and the news here has been doing a very poor job or reporting the facts.

 

[jjenny]

I've read several places that they did call the police, gave the children a snack while waiting and then they drove the kids home with a police escort. I live in Rochester and the news here has been doing a very poor job or reporting the facts.

This idea came from some anonymous poster. I don't find it credible. Police wouldn't have let them drive the girls home (escort or not), considering police would have no way of knowing whether these two were in on it at the time.
They themselves gave an interview and never said anything about calling police and getting police escort.

 

[Inthedetails]

Speculation:

Regarding their travels, it's possible they met up with others and indulged in their fantasies in different cities. Ugh. I don't know how to phrase that delicately. It could be there are "circuits" or gatherings for vacationers to hook up with.

My hunch at this point is they were getting deeper into this creepy subculture and decided to try abductions of their own, perhaps with an eye toward making money off it. Just a hunch at this point, awaiting info from LE.

All this is speculation. JMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

This idea came from some anonymous poster. I don't find it credible. Police wouldn't have let them drive the girls home (escort or not), considering police would have no way of knowing whether these two were in on it at the time.
They themselves gave an interview and never said anything about calling police and getting police escort.

I'm going back to my original assessment: another oddity in an odd case.

 

[epiphany]

I've read several places that they did call the police, gave the children a snack while waiting and then they drove the kids home with a police escort. I live in Rochester and the news here has been doing a very poor job or reporting the facts.

Quoting the Dist Atty:

"The children seem to be healthy, a little wet and cold. They were dropped off in a residential area in Richfield. The children walked up to a home and knocked on the door of a stranger. The stranger brought them home to their house and the police were there waiting," St. Lawrence County District Attorney Mary Rain said.

http://www.wcax.com/story/26290236/prosecutor-ny-amish-girls-found-safe-spoke-to-police

 

[gitana1]

You know who else worked with animals and used an aanimal sedative on their victims? Karla Homolka. She also claimed to be a victim. We all know how that worked out.

It turned out pretty good for her. She's living on a Caribbean island, with her husband and 3 children, tanned and slim:
http://www.terry.ubc.ca/2013/10/05/karla-homolka-from-convicted-killer-to-anonymous-mother/
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...w-book-reveals/article4360378/?service=mobile

http://northcountrynow.com/news/she...g-may-face-federal-charges-arrest-prevented-a

Sheriff says Hermon couple charged in Amish kidnapping may face federal charges, arrest prevented abuse

Fed charges would be child , IMO, which is a federal offense when put on the internet or downloaded, because that's the most likely federal offense they would find evidence of, in the home, as opposed to trafficking, for example.

That's what I meant about the word "normal".

Ted Bundy was "normal" too. He was educated, good looking (to some), well liked and respected and extremely personable. Until he wasn't.

Most monsters look fine on the outside. Until they don't.

I don't know. I know what you're saying but Bundy really wasn't normal. At age 3 or so, he lined knives up around his sleeping aunt and stood there grinning horribly at her. He tortured animals as a youth, like his grandfather/father. He was a joiner but a total loner and had really no friends in high school and I don't think really any I'm college either.

JMO, but the fact that these two girls were dropped off by them, they've been said to be cooperating, and the fact that this couple had no priors, it makes me wonder if this was possibly a first major offense (though they may have been building up to it with internet ). I also sense that it may have been a drug-induced crime (both have access to these in their now former professions)--maybe if they were on a high they were somewhat aghast at what had transpired...at least one can hope.

One of the suspect's sisters also works at the grooming place. There are a lot of relatives, and while there may be one or two who are less than wholesome themselves, I feel bad for the many relatives who would have had no idea this was coming.

You might be right. Federal offenses indicate these two have likely been involved in crime for a time, just not caught. It's sad.

On another subject, as to the girls here, I won't speculate as to what happened to them if anything other than kidnapping. It's none of my darn business. LE will seek justice for them. I hate the whole conversation about it, personally!!

 

[gitana1]

I've read several places that they did call the police, gave the children a snack while waiting and then they drove the kids home with a police escort. I live in Rochester and the news here has been doing a very poor job or reporting the facts.

I know. But it makes zero sense. I know of no LE protocol that would allow that. Plus, it conflicts with their media interview including the statement that the suspects car was in the road and that the girls ducked when they saw it, while being driven home.

 

[Minette]

Kudos to LE, they seem so tired and weary and imo, disgusted..

" Definite potential for other victims"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdGJpukNfBI

Quote from the Sheriff: "They were looking for opportunities to victimize." He also said that a lot of thought processes went into planning out this scenario.

UNDER the jail, please!