GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

[2Hope4]

It comes as no surprise to me that the meds could have been stolen. While being a nurse SHOULD hold moral grounds, it doesn't. I worked with a nurse stealing BENADRYL!! A simple med that ANYONE can purchase at a store! I reported her of course, but my reasoning for that was my med count was coming up wrong and it had never happened before. I knew she was stealing other meds, but had seen her steal the Benadryl. I told her there were cameras installed in the halls and in certain patient rooms, but I didn't know which rooms. She never came back to work.

Another nurse was signing out, and documenting everything correctly in regards to narcotic pain meds. HOWEVER, he was taking them himself and the patients never received them.

Ambien, wasn't that was stated was injected? If so, easy enough to get a prescription for that, even if for short term. I don't know how often that med would be given in an ER though. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never heard of someone getting a dose in the ER. Wound clinic I can see it happening. A burn patient is in so much pain, even possible they can't sleep. Or were already taking it before being a patient, so it's continued while a patient.

Whatever the case being, I hope they can charge with ANY other activities they find.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Amish gather with hammers and nails to show their gratitude
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140829/DCO/140828587

How cool is that!

 

[Abigail]

It comes as no surprise to me that the meds could have been stolen. While being a nurse SHOULD hold moral grounds, it doesn't. I worked with a nurse stealing BENADRYL!! A simple med that ANYONE can purchase at a store! I reported her of course, but my reasoning for that was my med count was coming up wrong and it had never happened before. I knew she was stealing other meds, but had seen her steal the Benadryl. I told her there were cameras installed in the halls and in certain patient rooms, but I didn't know which rooms. She never came back to work.

Another nurse was signing out, and documenting everything correctly in regards to narcotic pain meds. HOWEVER, he was taking them himself and the patients never received them.

Ambien, wasn't that was stated was injected? If so, easy enough to get a prescription for that, even if for short term. I don't know how often that med would be given in an ER though. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never heard of someone getting a dose in the ER. Wound clinic I can see it happening. A burn patient is in so much pain, even possible they can't sleep. Or were already taking it before being a patient, so it's continued while a patient.

Whatever the case being, I hope they can charge with ANY other activities they find.

You're right. Ambien unlikely in ER setting, but maybe in wound care. Isn't that where SH worked since May? Except...how does it work with wound care centers -- are the patients in-patient? I was thinking about diabetics and such, but your reference to burn patients opens up a lot of possibilities.

 

[2Hope4]

Anyone know if anything new is happening here??

 

[Inthedetails]

District Attorney withdraws request for DNA in kidnapping case

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140910/OGD/140919882

 

[dawn929]

Could they have gotten what they needed from things removed from the house? hair brushes, toothbrushes? I can't imagine they no longer have a need for their DNA

 

[Ontario Mom]

Or maybe they have identified the owner(s) of the DNA samples they already had? From that same article: "Ms. Rain has said more charges are pending."

 

[screecher]

Feds making announcement tomorrow am

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....sh_children_kidnapping_case.html#incart_river

"The U.S. Attorney's Office in Syracuse will hold a news conference at 11:30 a.m., according to a news release issued this afternoon. The release doesn't give any specifics. Executive Assistant U.S. Attorney John Duncan would not comment."

 

[atthelake]

I'm leaning towards hoping that there has been a plea deal - so that these Amish girls and their community do not have to have this splashed across the world during a trial as to what happened, and is within their faith of forgiveness. As we know from other trials, the prosecutors usually take into consideration the wishes of the community, and the family....and I would think that would be in line if they released tomorrow that there has been a plea deal, and no trial will take place.

Bless the girls and the community.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'm going to hope for both - that there will be mercy for those girls and their family re: the trial AND that more arrests were made & more charges filed and more twisted perverts are now locked up and can't hurt any more children.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

I'm leaning towards hoping that there has been a plea deal - so that these Amish girls and their community do not have to have this splashed across the world during a trial as to what happened, and is within their faith of forgiveness. As we know from other trials, the prosecutors usually take into consideration the wishes of the community, and the family....and I would think that would be in line if they released tomorrow that there has been a plea deal, and no trial will take place.

Bless the girls and the community.

No it's something way bigger than that. The US attys office handles major federal crimes.

If there were a plea deal in this case alone, the DIstrict attorney of St. lawrence county would be holding a presser.

This sounds really serious, IMO


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[SCHMAE]

Wow ! lease: be good news !

 

[KristinSchmistin]

But I do hope the girls are spared a trial. Here in ny from my experience, crime victims are handled very sensitively. When I went through my DV criminal proceedings w ex husband, yes it is traumatic, but contact is VERY limited. They can use video testimony I believe in the case of children and sex crimes.


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[atthelake]

No it's something way bigger than that. The US attys office handles major federal crimes.

If there were a plea deal in this case alone, the DIstrict attorney of St. lawrence county would be holding a presser.

This sounds really serious, IMO


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

Thanks...didn't know that. :thinking: That would include human trafficking? :thinking:

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Thanks...didn't know that. :thinking: That would include human trafficking? :thinking:

Possibly? I just texted my good friend who is a public defender here in Rochester.

She said the us atty would only be involved if they are pursuing federal charges.

The fact that they are doing a PC makes me think big. Bc if it was some federal charge of sending a pic over the internet I feel like they would just tack it on to their existing charges and a press release would be faxed to the MSM outlets. Know what I mean?

(That's the PR side of me coming out- minor news, I fire off a press release to my media list, major news, I call my media list each individually and invite them to a press conference)


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[Minette]

I'm thinking CP ring.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

I may be wrong, but my understanding of the NY court system is that when someone is arrested, they usually show up for a preliminary hearing in the local municipal court (town or village), to determine if there's enough evidence to proceed to trial (probable guilt). Sometimes this step is skipped (like SH waived his) and goes directly to the Grand Jury. If the judge decides there's sufficient evidence, then the case (if a felony charge) is sent to the Grand Jury for an indictment. The Grand Jury (16 to 23 citizens) decides if there's reasonable cause that the case should proceed to trial, and if so, give an indictment (the defendant can waive this step as well). The case is then sent back to the county court (or "superior court)," where the defendant(s) hear the decision of the GJ, and enter a plea. If "not guilty" -- then the case is sent to trial (in that same court, usually). This is the point where plea bargains can be made.

In some sparsely populated areas, the same judge might sit at the prelim and also the superior court trial.

I'll try to simplify for you- in NY every person has the right to be prosecuted by an indictment. At the initial hearing if the DA (or ada who tries less sensational cases) offers a plea-bargain in exchange for a guilty plea, the accused can accept the offer, thereby waiving their right to be indicted by a grand jury.

If no plea bargain is offered, like in especially henious cases (this also happened in the case with my ex husband bc the DA did not bargain with him or offer anything less), the accused's defense attorney will say, okay, to the grand jury then.

Grand jury, then like you said, they enter the plea of guilty or not guilty and proceed with trial.

I am pretty sure that whatever judge initially hears the case will sit on the case. IE- my DV case against my ex started in family court bc of our son being involved. Then, he violated the OOP and was arrested, sent to jail, and charged with consequential criminal contempt charges. So he had to appear in part one criminal court in our county. Ultimately it got rolled into IDV (integrated domestic violence court- a special court for when there are dv charges, divorce action, and custody being hashed out concurrently).

But "grand jury" isn't really sending it to another court. It's just a room in the basement of the courthouse where the grand jury hears the cases, and make their decisions. I *hope* I helped clarify that

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Title 18, U.S.C., section 1201(g) provides special rules for offenses involving children. Where the victim is under the age of 18 years and the offender has obtained such age and is not a parent, grandparent,brother, sister, aunt, uncle, or person having legal custody, sentencing levels are increased to reflect the severity of the treatment and situation in which the child has been placed.

I apologize that I can't get this thing to paste a link. A federal kidnapping charge can apply to children, to reflect the severity of the crime. It can also be federal kidnapping if they are held for 24 hours, or their is commerce involved. But I think that's already been discussed.

You're absolutely right. I was talking earlier about how I texted my good friend who is a public defender here and she did say that sometimes the feds (US atty) prosecute for the same crime- so it might not be something bigger than kidnapping, but likely, it is. So... I hope if it is a much bigger thing, they are totally kicking ass and taking names.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

That would be a hard call to make. Especially of when I think of what those two horrendous women in my area did to a little 4 year old girl (they are classified as sexually violent offenders) and then got out when their victim was only 10. One of the women filed a lawsuit against the NYS prison for sexual abuse in prison -- didn't like when it happened to her, I guess.

However, even if the perp gets a light prison sentence or even just probation, a conviction does put them on the sexual offender registry, which will prevent them getting jobs like bus drivers or school employees and such -- so it would limit their ability to harm other children.

I do think, however, that D.A. Rains is trying to adding on the federal charges, knowing the the minimum sentence would be 20 years, because she doesn't trust the NY state justice system to give these monsters the punishment they deserve.

wait what case was this? is this the one where the seargant was charged with raping inmates at the monroe county jail?

 

[screecher]

Alrighty. Went to syracuse.com



Accused kidnappers of Amish sisters accused of making child porn with three victims


12 minutes ago
John O'Brien | [email protected]

Central NY News

clicked on the link...said it wasn't available or some crap like that. THREE VICTIMS